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suck my woke dick posted:i mean if he packs the court with 50 judges we can just pack it with 150 right back Seems reasonable.
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triples, not doubles accordingly by 2118 the bulk of the court will consist of cardboard cutout judges, made in america and finally bringing back those manufacturing jobs
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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suck my woke dick posted:triples, not doubles
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KingFisher posted:Thanks for pushing the Overton window on court packing. I'm sure nothing could go wrong if it looks like Trump might lose the election and he wants to "make his mark" before his term is up. how would he pack the court when he doesn't have control of congress in a couple months?
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Groovelord Neato posted:how would he pack the court when he doesn't have control of congress in a couple months?
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Australia's gun ban worked, here's a study analyzing the rate of decline of gun violence before and after the 1996 ban: https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/12/6/365.fullquote:Results: In the 18 years before the gun law reforms, there were 13 mass shootings in Australia, and none in the 10.5 years afterwards. Declines in firearm-related deaths before the law reforms accelerated after the reforms for total firearm deaths (p = 0.04), firearm suicides (p = 0.007) and firearm homicides (p = 0.15), but not for the smallest category of unintentional firearm deaths, which increased. No evidence of substitution effect for suicides or homicides was observed. The rates per 100 000 of total firearm deaths, firearm homicides and firearm suicides all at least doubled their existing rates of decline after the revised gun laws. Mass homicides as well as homicides overall fell rapidly in response to the ban. A total ban and gun buybacks would work. I see no reason why hunters can't hunt with muzzleloaders, If you have to fire twice you're doing it wrong.
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Dolphin posted:I see no reason why hunters can't hunt with 18 inch battleship cannon, If you have to fire twice you're doing it wrong. 
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Aug 8, 2018 19:43
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I hate to no true Scotsman American hunters but they literally do it themselves https://www.hunter-ed.com/pennsylvania/studyGuide/Striving-for-a-Clean-Kill/201039_700092216/
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good use of guns this https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/1027267527166971905
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Jose posted:good use of guns this
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Jose posted:good use of guns this i went skiing in taos when I was like 6, that could've been me
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I feel like of all the things you can lay on the prevalence of guns in America, Islamic terrorism isn't one of them.
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No one should be forced to live in New Mexico.
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Dolphin posted:Australia's gun ban worked, here's a study analyzing the rate of decline of gun violence before and after the 1996 ban: https://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/12/6/365.full On the other hand, Australia is in no way comparable to America. Australia had a fraction of the guns that America had at the time of the ban, a multiple factor times less of poverty, and gang prevalence. If you look up something called the GINI index its a way to measure income inequality, it has America closer in that factor to Uganda and Haiti. There is a very strong correlation between income inequality and the homicide rate. Now, South Africa seemed to have some success with their latest gun laws, but I am suspicious how unique of an example that is. Considering serious firearm crime such as car jackings, violent BNEs and kidnapping is still commonplace in that country. Most rich people live in literal compounds with dogs, CCTV, home security guards 24/7 and even flamethrowers...
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zapplez posted:On the other hand, Australia is in no way comparable to America. Australia had a fraction of the guns that America had at the time of the ban, a multiple factor times less of poverty, and gang prevalence. Is there any gun control location that is remotely comparable to America or does it just so happen that America is uniquely unable to do gun control?
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Dolphin posted:I hate to no true Scotsman American hunters but they literally do it themselves The only thing standing between a hail of grapeshot and that deer is you
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Jaxyon posted:Is there any gun control location that is remotely comparable to America or does it just so happen that America is uniquely unable to do gun control? america is the special needs kid of countries, hth
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suck my woke dick posted:america is the special needs kid of countries, hth The southside of Chicago alone is more deadly than a bunch of developed countries. Then you have another 25 to 50 urban areas with similiar intense gun violence. America is a unique beast. They could probably benefit from Canadian style gun control. While still retaining CCW.
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zapplez posted:The southside of Chicago alone is more deadly than a bunch of developed countries. Then you have another 25 to 50 urban areas with similiar intense gun violence. America is a unique beast. Man, this country with poor gun control has areas that have a lot of gun violence? 
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If you don't get rid of all guns in one go you've failed
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zapplez posted:On the other hand, Australia is in no way comparable to America. Says the guy who compared Venezuela and Jamaica to the US on the last page...? 
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Yeah I'm not buying this "America just has too much violence and the income disparity is too great" argument. To make that argument work you'd need to show that American violence is unique from Australian violence in some fashion that would make gun control ineffective. Whatever causative effect the gun ban had in Australia should have the same effect in the US unless there's some confounding variable that hasn't been mentioned. Are the causes of violence different in Australia? Do people murder people for different reasons? Do people not murder each other in the US for those reasons? If the answer is that they murder each other for the same reasons, but those reasons are more common in the US, then hypothetically the data would show that the gun ban would be more, not less, effective in the US. I'd be open to hearing why we wouldn't see a decrease in gun violence by banning guns if there was actually some argument that included some kind of cause and effect; however, the majority of the time the people arguing against the data just argue that America is too different, which reeks of American exceptionalism.
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sean10mm posted:Says the guy who compared Venezuela and Jamaica to the US on the last page...? America is a lot more similar to a country like Jamaica then Australia. Look up GINI rates and figure out what the correlation is between that and violent crime and homicide. America could try to ban all civilian guns tommorow and there would still be massive gun violence for years and years to come there. That doesnt mean they shouldn't strive towards Canadian style gun control. But it will still be sm immensely violent country till more work on poverty is done vincentpricesboner fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Aug 8, 2018 |
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Aug 8, 2018 23:49
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zapplez posted:America is a lot more similar to a country like Jamaica then Australia. Look up GINI rates and figure out what the correlation is between that and violent crime and homicide.
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Even if you had perfect gun control tommorow (which ain't possible for dozens of years) america would still be one of the most violent developed countries because it's one of the poorest and most unequal
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zapplez posted:Even if you had perfect gun control tommorow (which ain't possible for dozens of years) america would still be one of the most violent developed countries because it's one of the poorest and most unequal Should America tackle poverty and income equality? Yes. Hypothetically if America brought its violent crime rate to parity with 1990s Australia, assuming your argument is valid, you'd have to concede that gun laws similar to Australia's would probably yield similar effects. I don't think your argument is valid though, I think it's fairly nebulous and you're making unsupported assumptions. Namely that gun control only works if violent crime is already low. Can you give an example to show that your assumption is true?
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Cockmaster posted:Sure, if you don't care about such trivial things as "hitting targets more than a few feet away" or "not blowing your hand off". Otherwise, you'd need one of the 3D printers that can print in metal, which tend to cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and involve equipment not easily miniaturized into a hobbyist-level machine. Having printed with metal, the laser sintered metal is more for cosmetic testing for the most part, it's still not really strong enough for firearms or any form of durable use. That being said some resin based printers [formlabs, etc] have a few really durable resins out there, but again.... its a red herring at this level of technology. That being said, you can 3d print a mold, and use it to make casts for molten metal pours, but that's a lot of effort for a homemade firearm. I remember a few years ago when the ATF was roaming around the LA area busting "CNC Parties" where people were buying 80% lowers or blocks of aluminum and then going to a machine shop and hitting "start" on a program on a HASS/Tormach or whatever. ATF wasn't having any of that. If you own the machine and can program/operate it yourself then they don't have an issue, but not to rent one out to some goober who paid $100 to have the billet placed in a fixture and code loaded so he can just hit start. They basically came down like a ton of bricks for the shops for not having a FFL/license and charges for the rest of the folk.
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zapplez posted:Even if you had perfect gun control tommorow (which ain't possible for dozens of years) america would still be one of the most violent developed countries because it's one of the poorest and most unequal Except it would be less violent, because we know that gun control laws affect violence.
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Jaxyon posted:Except it would be less violent, because we know that gun control laws affect violence. There is a pretty great track record in gun laws working in rich countries. Poor countries its a bit more of a crapshoot. Sometime it works (South Africa went from 66 to 33 homicides per capita, but its not clear how much of that was unrelated trends of poverty). Then sometimes a country gets worse. Like Jamaica. Or Venezuela. Or Mexico. etc etc.
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zapplez posted:There is a pretty great track record in gun laws working in rich countries. Poor countries its a bit more of a crapshoot. Sometime it works (South Africa went from 66 to 33 homicides per capita, but its not clear how much of that was unrelated trends of poverty). Then sometimes a country gets worse. Like Jamaica. Or Venezuela. Or Mexico. etc etc. We can work on both poverty and gun laws. Especially since the US is literally the richest country in human history and it's the inequality that needs to be fixed, not the actual wealth.
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Great. Lets do both. One is going to be way more effective than the other though. I know someone else originally posted this in the other thread, but I think it bears repeating. Look at the numbers with an open perspective. I've taken the time to read other studies linked from people in this thread. https://ssaa.org.au/assets/news-res...by_firearms.pdf There isn't a clear link in countries between gun availability and the homicide rate. Some countries have tight controls and terrible crime, others vice versa. The common links to a high homicide rate are poverty, income inequality, young men and drug use. I'm hopeful America does adopt a similar system to Canada has for gun control. That might even lower their homicide rate by 10, 20 or even 30% But even when they do, America will remain one of the most dangerous developed country in the world, until massive reforms are done for the poor people of that country. vincentpricesboner fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Aug 9, 2018 |
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zapplez posted:Great. Lets do both. One is going to be way more effective than the other though. quote:The statistical design of the study has an ecological approach based on a number of countries (N=52), not including the USA 
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zapplez posted:There is a pretty great track record in gun laws working in rich countries. Poor countries its a bit more of a crapshoot. Sometime it works (South Africa went from 66 to 33 homicides per capita, but its not clear how much of that was unrelated trends of poverty). Then sometimes a country gets worse. Like Jamaica. Or Venezuela. Or Mexico. etc etc. https://worldjusticeproject.org/sites/default/files/documents/WJP-ROLI-2018-June-Online-Edition_0.pdf And they also score very low on the corruption perceptions index. It stands to reason you're going to have a problem enforcing gun laws if you have inadequate law enforcement and police you can bribe to look the other way. Also coughborderenforcementcough By nearly every metric the US is in a much better situation than every country you've cited as a comparison.
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GRANTED, the US has a much higher prevalence of violent crime than other developed nations. It's hard to say why exactly but there are a lot of studies that go into the topic. What causes that higher violent crime? Well, if I can call your attention to the following study you'll see: https://web.archive.org/web/20080625184952/http://rechten.uvt.nl/icvs/pdffiles/ICVS2004_05.pdf That the US doesn't have a much higher prevalence of violent crime than other developed nations. People just kill each other with guns a whole lot more.
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Dolphin posted:GRANTED, the US has a much higher prevalence of violent crime than other developed nations. It's hard to say why exactly but there are a lot of studies that go into the topic. What causes that higher violent crime? Well, if I can call your attention to the following study you'll see: https://www.indy100.com/article/the-chart-that-shows-americas-shocking-murder-rate-compared-to-other-countries--bkAvfB5lwx If you can tell me about a developed country that is worse than America in homicide rate I'd love to hear about it. I don't give a poo poo about comparing credit card fraud or people stealing from cars. Your study was not about violent crime , btw. vincentpricesboner fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Aug 9, 2018 |
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zapplez posted:If you can tell me about a developed country that is worse than America in homicide rate I'd love to hear about it. quote:I don't give a poo poo about comparing credit card fraud or people stealing from cars. quote:Your study was not about violent crime , btw. Your point is extremely bizarre. You're trying to argue that income inequality is the sole contributing factor to gun related homicides, which is totally false, and not supported by anything except you repeating it over and over again. There is a correlation there, but it's hard to exaggerate how dumb it is to find a correlation like that and assume that it's causing anything.
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I didn't argue that. I said that until America fixes its poverty problem, it will still be one of the most homicidal developed countries, regardless of gun control. Also read your own studies before linking them as proof of something. I still don't give a poo poo about telephone fraud or someone breaking into your car. I'm talking about homicides.
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So is the whole "3D Printer Guns are effectively unregulatable because Internet," thing going to allow us to push for making it a strait up felony to ever even possess one as the only possible measure of controlling their manufacture and sale, especially to criminal/terrorist organizations? Because if so good, I don't really know how "real," that problem is in the larger gun debate, but that main dipshit who is pushing for them seems like the absolute scum of the earth and I want to see his dream burn and for him to inevitably rot in prison for not being able to stop himself from defying that law like the obvious neo-confederate he is.
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Sanguinia posted:So is the whole "3D Printer Guns are effectively unregulatable because Internet," thing going to allow us to push for making it a strait up felony to ever even possess one as the only possible measure of controlling their manufacture and sale, especially to criminal/terrorist organizations? It's already illegal to make or own an untraceable gun in the US. But is it illegal to tell someone in detail how to make an untraceable gun? I think ultimately it will have to be settled by the SCOTUS since it seems that the US Govt is at odds with the federal courts on the matter.
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The 3d printer gun case is sort of about ITAR as the US is surprisingly stringent on exports of guns/parts/things that could be used by militaries out of the country.
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