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I refuse to read Dan Slott's Fantastic Four. I can't risk enjoying it.
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Aug 8, 2018 16:36
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Ok. Good for you.
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Aug 8, 2018 16:38
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X-O posted:Ok. Good for you. lmao
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Aug 8, 2018 16:53
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Don't encourage his support of rotten writers.
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Aug 8, 2018 16:57
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Fantastic Four #1 was real good. Comics are good again now that there’s Fantastic Four.
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Aug 8, 2018 17:01
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Rhyno posted:Don't encourage his support of rotten writers. We're going to disagree on this one because my excitement for the FF being back outweighs my dislike of Slott.
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Aug 8, 2018 17:08
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pubic works project posted:We're going to disagree on this one because my excitement for the FF being back outweighs my dislike of Slott. Dude, I might be the biggest FF fan here. But Slott is just Slott. I won't support his work.
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Aug 8, 2018 17:28
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Rhyno posted:Dude, I might be the biggest FF fan here. But Slott is just Slott. I won't support his work. Do you like Tom DeFalco's FF, as I do?
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Aug 8, 2018 17:56
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Rhyno posted:Dude, I might be the biggest FF fan here. But Slott is just Slott. I won't support his work. You’re not the biggest fan if you won’t buy their really good book.
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Aug 8, 2018 17:56
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Rhyno posted:Don't encourage his support of rotten writers. Most things he's written outside of Amazing Spider-man has been pretty good. I even enjoyed a lot of his Amazing Spider-Man, he just kind of falls apart when he tried to do THE BIGGEST SPIDER-MAN STORIES EVER! So, there's an opinion too.
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Aug 8, 2018 18:05
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I guess I will buy F4 if people not named Rhyno are enjoying it.
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Aug 8, 2018 18:19
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Wheat Loaf posted:Do you like Tom DeFalco's FF, as I do? Not especially. But that era was still far better than most Slott comics I have read.
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Aug 8, 2018 18:22
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Rhyno posted:Dude, I might be the biggest FF fan here. But Slott is just Slott. I won't support his work. You need to go back to being like this: Rhyno posted:I never thought I would say this. And then you could enjoy a good FF book again.
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Aug 8, 2018 18:34
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That was years ago, a horrible work experience and borderline alcoholism speaking.
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Aug 8, 2018 18:35
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Doesn’t change the fact that book and the new FF was/is good.
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Aug 8, 2018 18:37
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X-O posted:Doesn’t change the fact that book and the new FF was/is good. Nah. As a whole his ASM is an exercise in bad decision making and too many subplots. I don't care for even one second what he has to say about the FF.
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Aug 8, 2018 18:38
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At least that one guy who constantly complains about Bendis Superman bothered to give it a shot.
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Aug 8, 2018 18:39
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Endless Mike posted:At least that one guy who constantly complains about Bendis Superman bothered to give it a shot. That's like, 9 different goons.
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Aug 8, 2018 18:40
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My only complaint is that the issue $6.
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Aug 8, 2018 18:43
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Rhyno posted:That's like, 9 different goons. AND THEY AT LEAST GAVE IT A SHOT.
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Aug 8, 2018 18:54
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Endless Mike posted:AND THEY AT LEAST GAVE IT A SHOT. GOOD FOR THEM I miss the days when this forum was united in their dislike of Slott.
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Aug 8, 2018 18:55
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The only Marvel books I've been buying since the end of Hickman's run were Thor and Squirrel Girl trades. I don't like anything I've ever read from Slott, but that Ribic cover was just too good to pass up on. I got curious, sorry Rhyno 
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Aug 8, 2018 19:04
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Eh, I didn't feel too impressed by that first issue, but I'll give it a few issues to get going.
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Aug 8, 2018 19:12
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Roth posted:Eh, I didn't feel too impressed by that first issue, but I'll give it a few issues to get going.
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Aug 8, 2018 19:14
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Can someone give me a rundown on how/why Reed and Sue (and the kids?) are back?
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Aug 8, 2018 19:30
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I’m liking Spencer’s Spider-Man. Still not into him as a person, but so far, digging his Spidey.
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Aug 8, 2018 19:37
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DeFalco/Ryan Fantastic Four is just historically bad, I cannot imagine anyone defending it if they've actually looked at it in this century.
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Aug 8, 2018 19:41
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head58 posted:Can someone give me a rundown on how/why Reed and Sue (and the kids?) are back? They aren't yet. They're working on it.
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Aug 8, 2018 19:43
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just finished ff, it wasnt good but it was better than his iron man so i guess thats something kinda funny how this seems to be the summer of weddings
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Aug 8, 2018 20:09
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That last panel of Squirrel Girl today: gently caress Yes.
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Aug 9, 2018 00:38
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Roth posted:Eh, I didn't feel too impressed by that first issue, but I'll give it a few issues to get going. More or less this is how I felt. Even as first issues go, Slott didn’t really seem to be setting much of anything up other than the Richardses having a hard time getting home. We didn’t get to see many interactions between the main team since they’re split up, and I think Zdarsky has the Ben/Johnny friendship a bit better that Slott has shown thus far, though I enjoyed Ben and Alicia. The art was gorgeous, as expected from Pichelli, so that’s as a highlight. I did not like the Doom backup, and Naked Doom is going to take some getting used to. I imagine he’ll put the armor on eventually, though. I’ll check out the next issue, at least.
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Aug 9, 2018 00:58
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If Spencer is teasing a big Kraven fight I'm going to be a little sad if it overwrites the really lovely work that's been done with the character recently over in Squirrel Girl.
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Aug 9, 2018 10:14
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I don’t think many people take into account what goes into that book. Kraven just recently was full on hunt and murder mode in Captain America too. I understand people wanting to have fun with a wacky villain because I love that, but Kraven is an odd choice for that because he’s not really wacky at all and portraying him that way is just basically changing a character for the sake of a joke. Feels kinda cheap to me.
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Aug 9, 2018 13:13
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Isn't this the third Kraven? Or did the original come back to life?
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Aug 9, 2018 14:00
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Okay so I must admit, I am enjoying Amazing so far. Also liked FF even though nothing really happened in the issue.
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Aug 9, 2018 14:01
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Kraven isn't wacky. He's a very self-serious aristocrat who jumps around rooftops in flats, animal print tights, and a bifurcated lion's face as a vest over top a bare chest while making murderous threats to a teenager who gets the best of him every time. It's important that he be treated with the proper respect.
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Aug 9, 2018 14:04
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X-O posted:I don’t think many people take into account what goes into that book. Kraven just recently was full on hunt and murder mode in Captain America too. I understand people wanting to have fun with a wacky villain because I love that, but Kraven is an odd choice for that because he’s not really wacky at all and portraying him that way is just basically changing a character for the sake of a joke. Feels kinda cheap to me. I feel like the most recent arc took it beyond that though and made a pretty interesting effort to reconcile how he's acted throughout SG with his normal M.O. Like, the kra-va is a cute joke and all but this week's issue in particular was legitimately, I think, a pretty thoughtful direction to move his character in that doesn't really require a ton of handwaving. I'll cop to maybe being lenient here though because I've never super cared about Kraven outside of the Last Hunt, so I'm more willing to accomodate a certain wobbliness in his characterization that I might otherwise not be. For example as I've probably mentioned before, Ryan North's Taskmaster felt really off to me in a way that signalled less "I have my own weird ideas about this character" and more "I didn't bother to learn much about him."
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Aug 9, 2018 14:06
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Lobok posted:Kraven isn't wacky. He's a very self-serious aristocrat who jumps around rooftops in flats, animal print tights, and a bifurcated lion's face as a vest over top a bare chest while making murderous threats to a teenager who gets the best of him every time. Yeah, but you can have that and also have Kraven's Last Hunt.
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Aug 9, 2018 20:41
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The original Kraven (Sergei Kravenoff) who died in Kraven's Last Hunt was resurrected towards the end of the Brand New Day run of Spider-Man in some sort of weird Spider Blood ritual I don't really remember. He was upset at being resurrected and thought his family weren't True Hunters and ended up killing most of them, then trying to find a Spider good enough to kill him again. None of the various Spiders/Venoms were willing to kill him in battle so he tried to get Hulk to kill him, or maybe a resurrected Kaine would let him die a warrior's death, etc. Basically every comic he's been in for the past 10 (or 30+, really) years have portrayed him as kind of a weird murderous dude who had weird ideas about wanting a noble death and so either wants to kill or be killed by everyone he sees. I'm not saying it's a terribly compelling character to me in most of these stories, but it's a consistent character that doesn't really work with the USG version. Which doesn't make USG a bad comic, but some of the NUH UH NUH UH THIS IS ALL IN CONTINUITY, IF YOU LOOK UP THIS OLD COMIC THANOS SOMETIMES FARTS SO HARD THE GAUNTLET FALLS OFF AND HE POOPS HIMSELF THAT'S WHY I HATE THANOS BEING TREATED AS A THREAT IN STUPID rear end HICKMAN'S BULLSHIT level of wanting everything (that i like} in continuity is weird to me.
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Aug 9, 2018 20:53
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Dawgstar posted:Yeah, but you can have that and also have Kraven's Last Hunt. You're right, I should have said "...a teenager who gets the best of him every time except for once when he dressed up as and pretended to be the teenager and then killed himself." Seriously though, there is room for Kraven to be both. Spider-Man's villains, simply by virtue of being Spider-Man villains, are prime targets to be taken down a peg but we should just let readers appreciate the tones and styles of different books and stories because a character can go from serious to silly and back again (or the reverse). Shocker's a good example. I like serious, dangerous Kraven and Shocker. And I like funny Kraven and Shocker. I'm also reading Howard the Duck and Spider-Man is presented as a hilariously broken, sobbing do-nothing but those stores don't take away from him being Marvel's premier superhero elsewhere, like in Spectacular Spider-Man written by the same author!
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