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Brown Moses posted:The Washington Post did a piece on Bellingcat and Russia's attacks on our work, all of which suck, "A dispatch from the fight against Russian disinformation — and a place where truth is winning, it has a particularly good kicker: 
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Cat Mattress posted:Why, yes, of course, that makes sense. I mean for them it probably makes perfect sense, it represents an authoritarian, strong and assertive Russia.
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Discendo Vox posted:funny you should mention... Look the "Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams"-level  going on.
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Horseshoe theory posted:Look the "Jet Fuel Can't Melt Steel Beams"-level I wish the trial is going to shut these people up, but they'll just see it as part of the conspiracy against Russia. Speaking of which, guess who has come home? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7LlZ5mHjqI Brown Moses fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Jul 29, 2018 |
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Oh good, now he can gaslight in his own country for a while.
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Dutch freighter detained by Russian coast guard in sea of Azov, seems to be part of the ongoing blockade of Ukrainian Azov ports. http://maritimebulletin.net/2018/07/24/dutch-freighter-detained-and-harassed-by-russia-whats-going-on-in-azov-sea/
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HorrificExistence posted:Dutch freighter detained by Russian coast guard in sea of Azov, seems to be part of the ongoing blockade of Ukrainian Azov ports. Article 5 baby here we come
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LeoMarr posted:Article 5 baby here we come It's the Netherlands. They'll probably hold a referedundum to leave EU and NATO instead.
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LeoMarr posted:Article 5 baby here we come not quite, a blockade is only an act of war for the receiving country, https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-defense/2504381-nato-can-respond-to-russian-blockade-of-azov-sea-commander-boots.html this basically sums it up
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Any thoughts from you guys on Mikhail's Dossier Center thing? They're starting to publish more now, and have claimed Putin aligned mercenaries killed three of their reporters in Africa.
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I like this take https://mobile.twitter.com/Mortis_Banned/status/1024511674529865729 https://mobile.twitter.com/Mortis_Banned/status/1024516729051983872 There was also an article on a CAR local news site yesterday that the russian mercs killed a local and there were riots by the locals to get the mercs to leave, but it was deleted https://web.archive.org/web/2018073...-aurait-ete-tue Basically good luck finding out the truth.
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FAKE NEWS! Washington Post is trolling me 
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lol this owns http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/22600/russia-cant-afford-its-new-t-14-armata-tanks-turns-to-updated-older-designs-instead
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HorrificExistence posted:lol this owns quote:Well, why flood the all Armed Forces with the Armata tanks, we have the T-72s in great demand in the market, they take it all, compared to the Abrams, Leclercs and Leopards, for their price, efficiency, and quality.
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Dwesa posted:Sure, just ask Iraqis that fought in '91. Wait, you can't. There's a world of difference between the upgraded modern T72s of today and the crappy export models the Iraqis used back in desert Storm.
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Charliegrs posted:There's a world of difference between the upgraded modern T72s of today and the crappy export models the Iraqis used back in desert Storm. There's also a world of difference between the upgraded modern threats of today a T-72 might face and the now-crappy mid-80's models of vehicles and weapons the coalition used back in desert storm. In both cases the T-72 export model is about 15-20 years behind the technology curve. The T-72BU/T-90 was developed in the late 80's, to incorporate design features of the mid-80's T-80U in an economical way. There have been evolutionary improvements to it since the original production, but many are not on the export models and overall these have been limited in scope by the chassis dimensions, weight limitations, and autoloader design (this has limited the length of kinetic projectiles). Warbadger fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Aug 4, 2018 |
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BM, do you have some sort of contingency plan in place for bellingcat when you get tea'd?
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Charliegrs posted:There's a world of difference between the upgraded modern T72s of today and the crappy export models the Iraqis used back in desert Storm. You know the Soviets never really deliberately made crappy export models. With some of the early tanks of the post-war years I think they did however make reserve versions based on lessons from WW2 where they discovered that in a full on total war, tanks don't last that long, so no component part of the tank needs to be rated to last longer or be of such a high quality that the tank will never get a benefit from it. Once this view kind of faded away with peacetime these tanks were often either retired from service or exported to foreign countries. These are the so-called monkey models. I don't think there was ever a monkey model T-72, what the Iraqis got were earlier models, poor training and maintenance did the rest (Soviet tanks are not widely known for being very mechanically reliable*). *Possibly excepting the T-54/55, that thing is basically the tank version of the AK-47 for ease of use and effectivness. The lack of reliabiltiy even goes for the T-34 despite the reputation of Russian ruggedness one would assume for what is commonly called the best tank of WW2. Though with the T-34 you should realize that this is in part deliberate due to the strategic concerns of the Soviet Union and the cost analysis that went into mass-producing it. The conclusion that the tank will not survive long at the front (and even shorter if actively engaged in combat) meant that the Soviets resorted to basically deprioritize most things about it except the essentials; sufficient engine power, armor and the effectiveness of its gun. They used low-quality materials and components elsewhere, replacing a tank was easier and cheaper than repairing a broken down one. Still when testing the T-34 sometime in '41 or '42 engineers and weapons development people in the US were kind of shocked at its mechanical deficiencies especially in regards to the transmission, the incredibly difficult to operate clutch and the suspension (from a report given by one of the Soviet officers who attended he quoted the Americans as having said regarding either the transmission or the suspension that it must have been designed by a fascist saboteur). Randarkman fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Aug 4, 2018 |
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Discendo Vox posted:BM, do you have some sort of contingency plan in place for bellingcat when you get tea'd? I really should now I have employees to worry about.
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Randarkman posted:You know the Soviets never really deliberately made crappy export models. With some of the early tanks of the post-war years I think they did however make reserve versions based on lessons from WW2 where they discovered that in a full on total war, tanks don't last that long, so no component part of the tank needs to be rated to last longer or be of such a high quality that the tank will never get a benefit from it. Once this view kind of faded away with peacetime these tanks were often either retired from service or exported to foreign countries. These are the so-called monkey models. I don't think there was ever a monkey model T-72, what the Iraqis got were earlier models, poor training and maintenance did the rest (Soviet tanks are not widely known for being very mechanically reliable*). The T-72 was actually marketed as a reserve version of the T-64/80 and developed along those lines all the way up to the mid 90's when the T-80 fell out of political favor. They'd implement a bunch of new tech in a brand new version of the T-64, then a few years later a T-72 update would come along incorporating some of those features - leaving out most of the really expensive and complicated stuff. They'd sell T-72's overseas that were basically one generation behind whatever was current production for the Red Army - so two iterations of tech behind the newest T-64 and T-80. The export models were actually more of less the same as what the majority of what the Red Army was using (and gradually replacing with a new version) when they were sold.
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Does Russian military procurement differ significantly from how the Soviets did things, or are they still coasting along on old ideas? I've spent so much time researching Cold War era stuff I've never really considered how things changed after 1991.
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:Does Russian military procurement differ significantly from how the Soviets did things, or are they still coasting along on old ideas? I've spent so much time researching Cold War era stuff I've never really considered how things changed after 1991. Quite a bit. Russia has a lot less cash to throw around than the Soviet Union did and even more corruption and graft built in. These days it's all about foreign sales to scare up quick cash, with a fuckload of resources devoted to advertising. Lots of hype, nebulous capabilities, and questionable quality control. The Su-57 (PAK-FA) was basically a scam run on India. Russia will not be purchasing them and India finally backed out a few months ago to cut losses because it really was pretty much an Su-35 in a body kit. They're also shifting away from the T-90 to focus on buying more T-72B3's (basically an economy model of the T-90A in the classic T-72 form), and may not buy any T-14s. Upgrades have been slow coming and not consistently applied due to costs - with the major stuff like Arena APS and the T-90MS turret bustle upgrades getting tons of media and internet attention (advertising) but not being adopted. They still neglect the fleet like the Soviets did, though! Warbadger fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Aug 4, 2018 |
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Warbadger posted:They still neglect the fleet like the Soviets did, though! I don't know, Admiral Kuznetsov looked quite impressive the last time it steamed out of the med.
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Randarkman posted:I don't know, Admiral Kuznetsov looked quite impressive the last time it
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Brown Moses posted:I really should now I have employees to worry about. Hello friend, my name is Ivan Alexeiovich Smith. For very affordable price I will ensure smooth transition of Cat Being Given Bells. Please contact me at ias2011@fsb.ru
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https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1026858467397718017 From across the pond.
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Somaen posted:I like this take http://theeasternborder.lv/ The Eastern Border Podcast did an episode on this this week, i only listened to the start of it in the car on the way home today so i don't know what he says about it. He did an interesting episode on Wagner a few months ago after the failed assault on that US base though so i'll listen to the rest on my way in in the morning.
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Somaen posted:I like this take Why is "Wagner" in quotes? I thought that's what they called themselves.
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BattleMaster posted:Why is "Wagner" in quotes? I thought that's what they called themselves. Maybe he meant Wagner "mercs"
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this looks like it's going to be a thing.
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Discendo Vox posted:this looks like it's going to be a thing. Forcible, sexy reunification of Lithuania and Belarus??? 
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Discendo Vox posted:this looks like it's going to be a thing. Well... There's like two billboards that have this if I understand correctly: one in Berlin, one in London. Although the big angst being raised about this is by conservatives, priests, various religious or family groups. Why? The pope's coming for a visit next month and only now it has been noticed. More than a half of a year later after it was kind of discussed upon.
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So the G spot is located about a foot and a half above and slightly to the right of the head, gotch
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steinrokkan posted:So the G spot is located about a foot and a half above and slightly to the right of the head, gotch ‘Splains why it’s so hard to find for some folks.
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Russians moved their border with Georgia 2,600 feet this summer. That's a lot when you got a real slim country.
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The Russian Foreign Spokesperson responded to Suck-My-Balls-Gate:quote:Destructive activity of the Bellingcat group on social media
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