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Cojawfee posted:They were file servers, not files servers.  servers, in the case of my dormGuys a couple doors down thought they were sooo clever using words like "impy trees" to avoid being sniffed out by Carnivore
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Platystemon posted:To clarify, the bitting code is specified in the text of their laws. 
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SubG posted:A portrait of multiple generations of obsolete network tech: poo poo, now I gotta find my box of Xircom parallel port—->10baseT adaptors I use on old DOS laptops.
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Oh, that's nothing. Wait until you learn how the same exact key (the 1284X) will open police cars, taxicabs, snowplows, and many other vehicles in a lot of places all over the US. Here, have a video all about keys and locks, from the same guys who brought you the elevator hacking talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9b9IYqsb_U
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When I was a kid, 10base2 was a godsend for deathmatching - scrounging up a cable, tees and terminators from the high school computer lab was trivial, but doing the same for a hub for 10baseT wasn't possible. Lots of Doom, Quake, and Warcraft 2 with friends were made possible by a teacher going "Eh, can't be worth much, no point in locking it up." Not ten years later, I was the one cleaning out a newspaper's obsolete tech bin, wishing I had most of that stuff ten years prior, then trashing the lot of it. Not much use for a 24-port 10baseT hub with eight broken ports when I had a 16-port 100baseT switch at home sitting unused.
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Powered Descent posted:Oh, that's nothing. Wait until you learn how the same exact key (the 1284X) will open police cars, taxicabs, snowplows, and many other vehicles in a lot of places all over the US.  I mean, I know municipal government agencies want to have some sort of standardization and common bit sets for emergency situations but this goes far beyond that and exposes an inherent flaw in the mindset. Anyone with too much time on their hands and/or a nefarious itch to scratch can perform many "secure" actions because of such laziness. I'm more amazed the bad guys and terrorists haven't capitalized on it more. It's right for the picking (pun intended). Kind of like how people change highway road signs to say "Show Your Tits!" or "Zombie Apocalypse Ahead!" which was a thread on this very dumb gay site not too long ago. When I was kind of drunk I went up to one of the informational signs late at night sitting in the middle of a street and made a flippant declaration that I was going to change the sign message on Instagram or Snapchat. I went up to the control box and turned the handle and the drat thing was unlocked; The panel dropped and there was the guts and I was all "Oh gently caress!" Granted, I had no idea what to do but there was complete access to the stupid signboard and someone with the wherewithal could do whatever the gently caress they wanted. Not to say changing a messageboard is the same as International terrorism, but it goes to show the lax in security at it's most basic level. If a local municipality can't be hosed with locking a roadway messageboard... it's not a far stretch to ask how far up the chain it goes (County, State, Federal etc.) and what much meatier things can be absconded with such little effort. Robnoxious has a new favorite as of 10:18 on Aug 7, 2018 |
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The ramp vulnerability on the *642 locks at the end is particularly 
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The worse part is you can't change the code largely because you'd have to replace hundreds, if not thousands, of emergency keys. There's also a lock on some elevators (it's a drop key to force open the doors when the car's not there) that's just screwed in to the houseing; any key that fits gives you enough leverage to unscrew the entire cylender. Don't. Trust. Elevators.
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Robnoxious posted:It's right for the picking 
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i mean hasn't an elevator firefighter key always been one of those 'keep honest people honest' locks? the whole point of a firefighter key is that a firefighter has to be able to unlock it instantly, not fumble for the correct key. the key has to be the same for all elevators and they can't ever change it without a big campaign. i don't think specifying the key in the ASME code is as big a deal as you guys are making it out to be. what is the alternative, some kind of rolling code or regional system? and is it worth the cost to emergency services, compared to how much it would really deter bad guys? i don't think elevators were ever intended to be security hardened and hopefully any building built this century has an actual locked door for your penthouse suite or whatever.
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Winty posted:i mean hasn't an elevator firefighter key always been one of those 'keep honest people honest' locks? the whole point of a firefighter key is that a firefighter has to be able to unlock it instantly, not fumble for the correct key. the key has to be the same for all elevators and they can't ever change it without a big campaign. i don't think specifying the key in the ASME code is as big a deal as you guys are making it out to be. you'd think, but look at those buildings in the talk: several of them have easy ways to get to the elevator, that just opens up onto the floor. Hell, my old office did that; you could walk straight from the elevator to anywhere without going through a door.
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SubG posted:AUI Apple had their own version, AAUI. Thanks Apple!  And then there was MII for 100MB Ethernet. It's nice that now RJ-45 is used for just about everything, and at least when you have an optical interface, the GBIC or SFP mostly sits inside the adapter instead of hanging off the machine. I think I have a MII transceiver which was about twice as long and heavy as any AUI transceiver I ever saw, but still hangs off the port.
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Winty posted:i mean hasn't an elevator firefighter key always been one of those 'keep honest people honest' locks? the whole point of a firefighter key is that a firefighter has to be able to unlock it instantly, not fumble for the correct key. the key has to be the same for all elevators and they can't ever change it without a big campaign. i don't think specifying the key in the ASME code is as big a deal as you guys are making it out to be. The problem isn’t that elevators are ownable. The problem is that they are treated as if they are not.
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Robnoxious posted:If a local municipality can't be hosed with locking a roadway messageboard... it's not a far stretch to ask how far up the chain it goes (County, State, Federal etc.) and what much meatier things can be absconded with such little effort. I mean, a ton of places have super vulnerable voting systems bc each state handles their own and manages to gently caress it up in their own unique not-giving-a-poo poo/not-fully-understanding-the-implications-of-what-they're-dealing-with way. In GA, they had a university handling our elections (you know because college admissions are so well known for their organization and efficiency), and they 'accidentally wiped' the servers containing all the recent election data: http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/357323-georgia-election-server-wiped-days-after-lawsuit Additionally, the voting machines in GA have been shown over-and-over as having network vulnerabilities, yet they haven't been changed since their implementation in early 00s. Each admin learns how awful they are, resolves to fix it, then neglects it and leaves, to repeat the cycle anew. StrangersInTheNight has a new favorite as of 05:42 on Aug 8, 2018 |
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StrangersInTheNight posted:I mean, a ton of places have super vulnerable voting systems bc each state handles their own and manages to gently caress it up in their own unique not-giving-a-poo poo/not-fully-understanding-the-implications-of-what-they're-dealing-with way. All voting is done by mail here in Oregon. No problems with it. The establishment, and particularly Republicans, want to keep as many hurdles in place for people to vote as possible.
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Norway is generally an early adopter - see the recurring moaning about the US being behind in money transfer and payment methods for examples. What we have not done, on the other hand, is any form of electronic voting. The traditional paper-in-box system scales perfectly, is its own paper trail, and since we have a complete national registry of citizens there's no "voter registration" faff; all you need to do is show up. (There are provisions for voting ahead of time and from foreign countries, but even those come down to "piece of paper".) I'll admit I'm surprised that we haven't tried to implement something. It's not like we've been afraid of moving almost everything else online, behind national id systems of varying quality.
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Buttcoin purse posted:Apple had their own version, AAUI. Thanks Apple! But yeah, one-off vendor modifications of otherwise-standard connectors used to be surprisingly common. E.g., DEC invented and used MMJ (an old POTS telephone jack/RJ12 with the latch slightly off-centre) for the serial port(s) on their big iron (and associated peripherals). Connecting a serial terminal to a server used to be an entirely too elaborate black art. I think the most recent application using MMJ is LEGO robotic poo poo.
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Computer viking posted:Norway is generally an early adopter - see the recurring moaning about the US being behind in money transfer and payment methods for examples. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI You're doing good. NZ doesn't use any stupid mechanical machines to vote, just a thick black marker to tick, cross or deface.
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Some techies were trying to push electronic voting from home in Finland, too, but the recent problems with election interference from some unnamed parties have put that particular discussion to bed for now. You can't forge paper slips as easily as you can break into a badly secured voting system, and we all know that they're gonna have some "unforeseen" security flaws in them. Nordic countries having perfect residential rolls from 17th century onwards of course plays a role, too.
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Computer viking posted:Norway is generally an early adopter - see the recurring moaning about the US being behind in money transfer and payment methods for examples. Yeah, it's worth it waiting a night or a full 24 hours for votes to be counted, and be able to actually trust the counts. They're properly supervised, so ballot stuffing is something an entire community of people would have to back for it to work, and even if the biggest county (Oslo at ~600,000 people) cheated it would't matter. Computer viking posted:I'll admit I'm surprised that we haven't tried to implement something. It's not like we've been afraid of moving almost everything else online, behind national id systems of varying quality. Everything else here, though, is online. Banking? Banks don't even have cash tellers anymore. You can literally not go into your bank and get cash. Everything's online banking and cards (we're slow with RFID though, only now seeing a marketing push for "tapping".) e: Which segues into tech relics: Checks. Not used since the late 80's here when ATM's took over. We've had this discussion here before (or in another thread) about the completely decentralized US banking system. "Oh, there are so many states, small banks and actors, that a centralized online debit system is not possible". Seriously, I don't even have a proper credit card, only BankAxept, which still enables me to go to an ATM in Greece and get cash money. But I won't get any if my account is dry, 'cause they're all online and can see my balance. No excuse, US, get with the program. F4rt5 has a new favorite as of 15:21 on Aug 9, 2018 |
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If your card works in Greece, that's probably because it also has Visa debit - I bet there is a visa logo hidden away somewhere. Otherwise, yeah. I just hope the ID cards start appearing before the banks finally stop issuing photo ID cards; I don't really want to drag my passport around everywhere. I could get a driver's license, but that's a very expensive way to buy an ID card...
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JazzmasterCurious posted:e: Which segues into tech relics: Checks. Not used since the late 80's here when ATM's took over. We've had this discussion here before (or in another thread) about the completely decentralized US banking system. "Oh, there are so many states, small banks and actors, that a centralized online debit system is not possible". Guns, bibles, cheques, and fax machines: four things you will have to pry from America's cold dead hands.
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The best part is that the system he's mocking here used a "Single participant" blockchain, which you may know by it's more common name of "Public database".
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Sweevo posted:Guns, bibles, cheques, and fax machines: four things you will have to pry from America's cold dead hands. To be fair, it's been a while since I've seen anyone under 60 use a check. Though, as someone who works tech support at a VoIP company, Faxes are a big anger trigger for me.
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I still use checks to pay rent. It's the only thing I use them for, so I just get a couple pages at a time from my bank, fill out 6-8 months worth, then drop one in the mail at the end of the month. Repeat when the stack gets low.
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The Fool posted:I still use checks to pay rent. It's the only thing I use them for, so I just get a couple pages at a time from my bank, fill out 6-8 months worth, then drop one in the mail at the end of the month. Repeat when the stack gets low. Do you not even have direct debits in the US?
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Necrothatcher posted:Do you not even have direct debits in the US? It exists, but good luck getting small local businesses to use it. The management company I rent from offers credit card payment, but it has a $30 fee. So I mail checks for the cost of a stamp.
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Necrothatcher posted:Do you not even have direct debits in the US?
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The Fool posted:It exists, but good luck getting small local businesses to use it. The management company I rent from offers credit card payment, but it has a $30 fee. So I mail checks for the cost of a stamp. Why not just have your bank mail the check for the cost of nothing? Mine does that. I think most will.
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ReidRansom posted:Why not just have your bank mail the check for the cost of nothing? Mine does that. I think most will. Literally not a thing that has occurred to me.
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mystes posted:There was a really long derail about this topic in the other thread a couple months ago. It sucks, it's stupid and when I actually paid rent for the first time I had to figure out how to write a check for the first time in my life. There are some stupid things in the US I will attempt to justify but gently caress the backwards rear end banking system. I just want an easy way to send money from me to person B without having to jump through hoops, is that so hard? Related, but I've moved out to Honolulu a few years ago and it's super weird to me how there are chains based out of Japan that are cash only (looking at you Coco Curry House). It's actually not completely uncommon, and when I went to Japan years ago I had to carry cash because so many places were cash only. It was and is super jarring to me.
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Yeah, Japan is loving backwards with banking. Most transactions are done in cash, and it's only really the touristy places or big chains that even have the option of credit. No debit/eftpos/whatever cards or internet banking either. At least direct transfers are possible via ATM, but that's relatively uncommon. That said, most ATMs outside of convenience stores aren't open 24 hours and most won't accept overseas cards. Opening a bank account is a hassle if you're a foreigner too, you need a visa and most banks require an inkan (signature stamp) which most foreigners don't have. Banks also don't give you cards that work outside of Japan unless you get a special one, and it's very difficult for foreigners to get credit cards. I loved living in Japan, but that's one thing I don't miss at all. Hell, even in Korea they have something similar to eftpos so you don't need cash as much.
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I want it to be like in cowboy bebop where there is a little card holder that you can use to directly transfer funds between two cards. However, the further I think of it, the closer I get to venmo + NFC, and/or bitcoin physical ether wallets. Either way I get sad.
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In Canada you can literally email money to people. I use it to pay rent.
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:Yeah, Japan is loving backwards with banking. Most transactions are done in cash, and it's only really the touristy places or big chains that even have the option of credit. No debit/eftpos/whatever cards or internet banking either. At least direct transfers are possible via ATM, but that's relatively uncommon. That said, most ATMs outside of convenience stores aren't open 24 hours and most won't accept overseas cards. Opening a bank account is a hassle if you're a foreigner too, you need a visa and most banks require an inkan (signature stamp) which most foreigners don't have. Banks also don't give you cards that work outside of Japan unless you get a special one, and it's very difficult for foreigners to get credit cards.
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When in Japan, I stick 100% to post office ATMs. Hours can suck, but they reliably take US cards with no problems or crazy fees.
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I can't bring myself to watch this whole video, watch this for 10 seconds and I think you'll get the picture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmEvPZUdAVI&t=79s I think someone linked this video before, and I didn't watch far enough in to see this rap part: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noEHHB6rnMI&t=500s Has there ever been a good advertisement for something which is as essentially boring as an operating system?
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