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everyone should have a nekros because everyone needs to farm materials eventually. it's not the most interesting niche, but it is undeniably useful.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I guess I would also consider a secondary precision sniper, but I don't really think there are any. Arca Sisco or Knell, maybe? Bobby Deluxe posted:Her powers are great too. Obviously her 4 is fantastic for defence, but her 3 is great for temporarily holding chokepoints, her 1 is great when fully charged, and her 2 I rarely use but seems like it'd be useful if you had a dipshit team who couldn't manage to stay alive. IIRC, you can make her 2 "cloud" scale infinitely... but it's effort and the range is kinda tight. gaj70 fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Aug 9, 2018 |
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Aug 9, 2018 17:48
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wait, is that all they changed about vauban that's...actively kind of crap, lmao
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Johnny Joestar posted:wait, is that all they changed about vauban Yeah. I love the Vauban as a concept, but he just seems so lacking compared to other frames that are not even specialists like him, but do his job better while also doing more damage/utility.
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Johnny Joestar posted:wait, is that all they changed about vauban They also nerfed repelling bastille, so, there's that 
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vauban's absolute main issue is that he does like 5 flavors of crowd control and half of them are anemic while the rest are covered just as well by other frames, changing his passive to do 25% more damage to crowd controlled enemies and adding a lovely charge to his already crap electric ball power is not going to make him desirable to use. i say this as someone who doesn't even like vauban already, but it wouldn't take much in the way of changes to make him better. they just have to actually be good changes.
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Aug 9, 2018 17:58
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DoombatINC posted:They also nerfed repelling bastille, so, there's that Youre fuckin kidding me
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Johnny Joestar posted:vauban's absolute main issue is that he does like 5 flavors of crowd control and half of them are anemic while the rest are covered just as well by other frames, changing his passive to do 25% more damage to crowd controlled enemies and adding a lovely charge to his already crap electric ball power is not going to make him desirable to use. i say this as someone who doesn't even like vauban already, but it wouldn't take much in the way of changes to make him better. they just have to actually be good changes. I actually like Vauban - he has a lot of fun abilities - and I really enjoy playing him - in sub lvl 20 content....because he's suboptimal at most higher tier missions. He is still useful for interception due to the bounce pad at the consoles gimmick - but for pretty much everything else, another frame does his job better.
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ember's 1 having a charge and now vauban's teslas having a charge bothers me. someone at DE likes charge moves because the one thing we all want in our game of high speed murder is to slow down. And they seem to overvalue their effectiveness for that opportunity cost (much less energy cost) as well. see also, any ability that cannot be cast in the air being automatically annoying
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FileNotFound posted:I actually like Vauban - he has a lot of fun abilities - and I really enjoy playing him - in sub lvl 20 content....because he's suboptimal at most higher tier missions. believe me, vauban isn't useless by any stretch because there's very few things in the game that practically are, but he's not really satisfying to play for most people. and it's not even a 'his kit is complex and weird so most avoid him' kind of thing which would be fine by itself. there needs to be better interactions with his skills and/or maybe changing out one of them for something different and more useful for people to start caring more.
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Aug 9, 2018 18:17
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The only decent use of Vauban I've found is getting Kavats to stay still long enough to scan them with Bastille.
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Aug 9, 2018 18:18
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So what’s in this patch other than the Vauban tweaks? It’s huge.
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i would say that vauban kind of needed the same treatment that zephyr got, but he absolutely didn't
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xanif posted:I'm looking for some fun utility (main choice) or CC (second choice) frames. I'll just give a quick rundown of each frame. Nekros: Spawn health globes everywhere and reroll loot drops from dead enemies, can be very tanky with Shield of Shadows + Health Conversion. Nezha: Can use Warding Halo to give your teammates pseudo-rhino skin. His 4 provides strong CC. Oberon: The ultimate support package. Provides armor, HP regen, status immunity, and auto-revive (Phoenix Renewel) for your teammates. Does a fuckload of radiation damage against foes. Rhino: drat near impossible to kill, provides a moderate damage boost and strong CC through ragdolling with 1 and stomping with 4. Trinity: Press 4 and your whole party is healed to full, shields recharged, and receive 75% damage reduction from all sources. Can provide enedless energy too and can convert it to overshields with the augment. Valkyr: Press 4 to go invulnerable, her 3 provides your teammates with armor and melee attackspeed. Volt: Makes everyone do everything fast, provides portable shields which can be carried. Shooting through the shield provides bonus damage. 4 will zap all foes and you can watch them convulse as they are electrocuted to death. Frost: Ice bubbles trivialize any mission where you have to protect an inanimate object. Other 3 abilities provide hard CC and 2 is a guaranteed cold proc with very generous range if you have a condition overload melee weapon. Loki: Near permanent invisibility with the ability to strip huge crowds of enemies of their weapons and when augmented a radiation proc, which means all of those grineer/corpus will drop what they're doing and punch each other to death. This frame completely invalidates Nyx's existence. Octavia: A support frame with a rolling stereo that taunts enemies and reflects damage. You can make your own custom songs for it to play (the good instruments are 50p a piece), and you and your allies will gain buffs by doing certain actions to the rhythm of that song (or be a spoiled sport, mute the instruments, and just fill every single bar with notes). She can provide increased multishot, melee damage, movement speed, and invisibility. She also provides a tremendous damage buff that scales with how much noise everyone is making so bring your loudest guns.
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Sephyr posted:Oh yeah, she does a lot, but a tank she is not. Still, with all of her options, as long as you have energy left you have ways of staying alive and killing. Up her armor and cast 2 on herself and a tank she very much becomes!
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none of you ever saw, or ran, a proper Vauban. The thing to use for Grineer and Infested Interception is Perpetual Vortex, not bastille, because you can feed it to last over 2 minutes straight without intervention of any kind. Incidentally this also completely trivializes Infested Defense. It is simply impossible for mobs to approach the defense target(or the intercept point) while your vortex is up. The only thing that can change this is a Nullifier or one of those null bubbles from that one Bursa variant. Bastille should be used for everything else making GBS threads them everywhere, not using Repelling Bastille because Repelling Bastille is trash just throw more Bastille. Tesla is a poo poo power if you cast it once every few seconds like they want you to with the copy-pasted Charge mechanic. Its true use is spamming as many as possible whenever possible, ideally with a macro and Natural Talent, but it's ok if you don't because a hundred Teslas will either CC or kill nearly anything you need it to up to around level 35 or so. Or it USED TO, before DE added the lovely charge mechanic that pretty much cuts its cast rate in half, making it worthless above level 25 or so. thanks a lot DE.
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xanif posted:I hear banshee is good and looks pretty interesting but the only time I played her was leveling to 30 and it was meh the whole time. For CC, get the resonating quake augment and ramp up the range and her 4 will lock down a huge area. It's not so useful at higher levels (it may not kill, only slow them down, and a Slowva is better if you want to do that), but otherwise it'll provide wide scale slaughter in low-mid levels. Here's what I use.  I'm not a pro frame builder so it's prob not optimal (I def need 1 more forma to max out streamline) but it works for me.
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DoombatINC posted:She's pretty squishy, so every little bit helps Quick rundown on how Gara works, since nothing in the game remotely tells you: - Once you have her wall set up, you can use 1 to break it and damage everything in an AoE around it. - If you stand outside the wall as you break it with Splinter Storm up, the damage from your 1 gets added to Splinter Storm's AoE damage. - If you break it with an uncharged 1, it gets added as puncture damage. With a charged, it's slash. - Damage of the 1 scales with the damage of your melee weapon. - If you cast 4, all Splinter Storm targets the molten glass touches have their cooldown refreshed, including you. - There's no cap to how much damage you can add, or how often you can renew your cooldown. You can just keep doing this. Get a half-decent statstick, break a few walls, and congratulations, you instamelt pretty much anything just by jumping past it while being virtually invulnerable. It's a bit fiddly but at this point the main reason I don't run Gara all the time is 'cause I actually find her a bit too broken. Like, she doesn't even need weapons.
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Terry van Feleday posted:Squishy? I beg to differ. This is all good stuff and I agree that Splinter Storm is boss, but we were talking about Banshee 
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Hah, crap, thought you'd quoted the other post. Embarrassing!
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Psion posted:Market blueprints, dojo blueprints, invasion rewards, onslaught rewards - but the big one is prime weapons out of relics. Those you just need the parts (and a big pile of ocells) though if you’re short on cash ask for an index, you’ll be rich in no time. What is this index? someone said it's like gambling on a PvE mission where you put 50k up and get 250K. I just made it to URANUS (HA HA HAAAA) and that first underwater archwing mission made me realize i need to grind archwing modsxp because I couldn't solo it and no one was running it.
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TipsyMcStagger posted:What is this index? someone said it's like gambling on a PvE mission where you put 50k up and get 250K. I just made it to URANUS (HA HA HAAAA) and that first underwater archwing mission made me realize i need to grind archwing modsxp because I couldn't solo it and no one was running it. My friend have you tried asking anyone in clan/alliance chat or discord?
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TipsyMcStagger posted:What is this index? someone said it's like gambling on a PvE mission where you put 50k up and get 250K. It is exactly that except it's easy and there are a ton of people in the clan that can solo carry through it. Once you Index you'll never have money problems ever again.
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It's a shame Vauban is sobehind the power curve because thematically and aesthetically he's incredible. He's basically a Dead Space warframe. It's especially terrible how behind he is given how goddamn expensive his prime is to build. Congrats on farming 9k Cryotic, 7k Oxium, and 20 nitain heres a mediocre frame that will feel janky and bad. 
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Denzine posted:none of you ever saw, or ran, a proper Vauban. For interception you just dump bounce pads at the console, mobs can't 'hack' them. No need for vortex. On defense there is little reason to bastille or vortex as most people are more than capable of killing anything that comes at the target. (I mean seriously, when was the last time the target died?) He's a highly situational frame offering CC in a game where many frames can 1 shot the entire defense map while vauban has a handful of zappers and a cool looking but utterly pointless vortex. Like I said - he's a ton of fun for lower level things, but really at anything 20+ I can't find many worse frames to bring. Fact is that the only content where some CC is useful is very high level - and at that point Vauban isn't viable as he brings nothing else to the table. Frost and Limbo offer way more.
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I have been unable to play for a whole week until I can get stuff settled in my new apartment. I can't wait to go back. On the plus side, I'll have loads of frames ready to level up, including rhino prime 
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CoffeeQaddaffi posted:The only decent use of Vauban I've found is getting Kavats to stay still long enough to scan them with Bastille. Or you could use Heliocor...
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Have 2 more normal frames to farm (plus Limbo Prime) and I can be done building frames until the next ones drop. Too bad they are Nekros and Saryn and will take a lot of investment of time and sanity to complete. Now I'm just working on a massive list of "things to do since I ignored PoE until last month" as I gear up frames to farm focus for waybounds, sentient cores for a better amp, and eventually get into a teralyst group. I'm sure I could be carried, but I'd like to have some impact on the group besides being dead weight.
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Jack Trades posted:
So so much this. I was in the same place, kinda struggling with credit costs and 'wow 50k is a bunch to drop on X'. Now after a few index runs you can just buy whatever and build when you want to. Mid index is 40k in, 175k(? I think) return which can be pubbed if you don't or can't do it with goons (just ask, people Always need credits). Also hit MR10 and got a Arca Plasmor crafted. Wow is all I had to say, drat amazing cannon. Have the amprex out of the oven to do mischief with tonight, that should be fun. Also one of my 1 million runs for the LAST drat Equinox blueprint, just drop pretty please?
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Ashye posted:So so much this. I was in the same place, kinda struggling with credit costs and 'wow 50k is a bunch to drop on X'. I keep telling people that Tigris and Arca Plasmor is basically the only two guns anyone will ever need in WF. Tigris for anything where you expect to need to deal with single high hp targets. Plasmor for crowds. Only issue with the Plasmor is that it melts corpses, and a buddy likes to play Necros. So I guess it's really his issue....
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FileNotFound posted:Plasmor for crowds. (My main is Rhino with Arca Plasmor and I am thoroughly ashamed of myself).
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FileNotFound posted:For interception you just dump bounce pads at the console, mobs can't 'hack' them. No need for vortex. Bounce lasts for 4 bounces so you've still gotta monitor poo poo, go try perpetual vortex with maxed range. It is easily capable of covering both terminals at the same time and even if you suck at placement or for some gimmick reason aren't running max range, you can keep 2 perpetual vortexes running with Zenurik with ease. Vauban's situation is "Do I need or want this entire tile locked down 24/7" - try Bastille with maxed range and don't be shy about using it repeatedly over the same aoe. Multiple Bastille do not pick up the same mobs. While Limbo is technically better at locking down a wide area thanks to timestop, he's also far more annoying to others and does not have Bounce.
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FileNotFound posted:I keep telling people that Tigris and Arca Plasmor is basically the only two guns anyone will ever need in WF. Ignis Wraith is the laziest weapon ever and it's great for high level poo poo to boot, come on.
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I'm a fan of the Amprex. Point at something and it'll kill him and all his buddies in the next room as it twists and turns down a hallway. I'm building an arca plasmor myself and it should be done real soon so I'll have to give that thing a try. Almost hit the MR for Tigris prime too and I have most of the parts from people dropping their vaulted relics randomly.
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So I farmed the Valkyr blueprints and have all three parts being 3D printed by the magic foundry but I don't have a blueprint to fit them together, does it appear magically or do I have to farm elsewhere? (Or, possibly, the same guy.)
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hoobajoo posted:Ignis Wraith is the laziest weapon ever and it's great for high level poo poo to boot, come on. Non trivial to get - unlike the Plasmor which is trivial. (Yes I know you can just buy it for like 5p or get it free from a goon ) Also using Tirgris and Prasmor as the go to weapons allows just focusing on shutgun mods - and point blank is way easier to lvl than serration. So starting with drakgoon/hek, moving on the tigris and plasmor makes for a smooth transition. But hey I'm a huge shotgun fan in this game so I'm biased. FileNotFound fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Aug 9, 2018 |
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SIGSEGV posted:So I farmed the Valkyr blueprints and have all three parts being 3D printed by the magic foundry but I don't have a blueprint to fit them together, does it appear magically or do I have to farm elsewhere? (Or, possibly, the same guy.) you can buy the blueprints for credits on the market. Make sure you buy the blueprint not the entire thing for platinum.
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Vauban has the best power. Bounce pads. Race in front of pub teams dropping them behind you.
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