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thylacine posted:I don't know why there would be anything in a console that would explode. I guess we give up "drive by wire" technology sometime in the future and every button push actuates an actual button that is physically connected to a thing that can possibly explode in the console. Yep, the official explanation is that it's the EPS - Electro-Plasma System - conduits that bring power from the warp core to everything on the ship rupturing. Why consoles need to be directly connected to the EPS network is a question for the engineers.
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I always figured electrical overloads caused wires to over heat, arc, catch on fire etc...
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Aug 9, 2018 20:33
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the federation signed a treaty with the klingons outlawing circuit breakers because if you take a hit its dishonorable if a crew member doesnt pay with their life
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Aug 9, 2018 20:40
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my favourite character is probably barclay because in this space communist utopia it is refreshing to see someone who absolutely does not have any of their poo poo together
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Aug 9, 2018 21:15
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Bobby Deluxe posted:my favourite character is probably barclay because in this space communist utopia it is refreshing to see someone who absolutely does not have any of their poo poo together The guy so dunkable even Picard couldn't resist
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Aug 9, 2018 21:22
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Solice Kirsk posted:And I barely remember any of the episodes once they're over. This is exactly how I can re-watch them every few years. It's great, I forget about most of the stuff that happens--but that's with almost all media. I just don't pay attention.
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Aug 9, 2018 21:22
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Danaru posted:The guy so dunkable even Picard couldn't resist True, but the best Picard burn is still "shut up wesley"!
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Aug 9, 2018 21:28
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I think "Maybe you should talk to Worf again" is best burn overall.
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Aug 9, 2018 21:31
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wesleywillis posted:I always figured electrical overloads caused wires to over heat, arc, catch on fire etc... And before anyone mentions 'circuit breakers' remember there's a thing called battle short.
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Aug 9, 2018 21:45
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Strudel Man posted:Except the g-forces they show rarely make sense. People are getting thrown all over the cabin when there's only one powerful thruster on the back of the ship. Maybe they are all just really clumsy?
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Aug 9, 2018 22:03
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:I think "Maybe you should talk to Worf again" is best burn overall. damar has the best character development of anyone in that show. from background lacky to forefront puppet to alcoholism to heroic martyr
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Aug 9, 2018 22:08
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Nog not wanting to give Jake that latinum - isn't Jake the only reason he had those latinum bars anyway, thanks to the No-Ja consortium? And Jake kept encouraging the trades when Nog wanted to give up every step of the way? Then later Nog is smugly preaching about the great river. I see you Nog.
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Aug 9, 2018 22:14
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That scene where the Jem'hadar are loving with some cardassians, and the supposedly-dead Damar walks out of the shadows and says something like "Those are Cardassian Citizens." before killing them  Damar was legit as gently caress
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A.I. Borgland Corp posted:Nog not wanting to give Jake that latinum - isn't Jake the only reason he had those latinum bars anyway, thanks to the No-Ja consortium? And Jake kept encouraging the trades when Nog wanted to give up every step of the way? His faith in the Great River was weak, until the No-Ja incident proved it is real.
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Cythereal posted:Supposedly that was axed in favor of props and actors they already had because they were running out of budget. It was less "running out of budget" and more "Jesus, they had no loving budget." On Generations they had to: - Get all the principal cast signed to movie deals (I think everyone but Spiner had an option for an eighth season of TNG, but no one was under contract for a movie) - When they decided they wanted Shatner, he demanded his full $6 million salary (he had taken a pay cut on The Undiscovered Country so that De Kelley could break the $1 million ceiling for the first time) - When they called Doohan and Koenig, both of them knew full well that they were the second choices behind Nimoy and Kelley, so they demanded Nimoy / Kelley money because of the leverage they had - Shoot on a ridiculously compressed schedule to meet the fall release date, a schedule that got turbofucked because Herman Zimmerman botched the initial buildout of Stellar Cartography - Deal with blowing a ton of money on making new uniforms that they didn't even loving use - Do effects work, including hauling out, restoring and rewiring the six-foot Galaxy model because that was the only one that could actually separate the saucer - Do location shooting (which is loving expensive) And they had to do it all on a budget of originally $25 million, which was literally $5 million less than what The Undiscovered Country's final price tag was. (After another script draft was done, Berman convinced Sherry Lansing that there was no way they could do the movie for under $30 million; she finally relented; this was before she greenlit another $5 million to re-do the ending.) The VFX producer, I think it was John Knoll, wound up going to Berman and Carson and saying, "Look, you can have a cool space battle, or you can crash the ship, but you can't have both unless you find another $8 million," so they chose to go with the crash sequence (and hence the re-used Bird of Prey explosion, as well as there being only like four or five external shots of the ships firing on each other). Generations' production was a loving mess. Timby fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Aug 10, 2018 |
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Aug 9, 2018 23:05
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To be completely fair, the saucer crash is probably one of the best sequences in the movie so they probably made the right choice.
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Aug 9, 2018 23:57
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I love hearing dumb behind the scenes poo poo like that
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mods changed my name posted:I love hearing dumb behind the scenes poo poo like that The fun fact is that the idea of crashing the saucer on a planet actually began with the first draft of the sixth season finale (hence the title, Descent). Both Marina Sirtis and Gates McFadden had been holding out on signing contracts for the seventh season, so the idea came up to split up the crew, crash the saucer and have one or both on it in the event that they needed to kill off Troi or Crusher. Image G took one look at the draft, produced a quote for what it would cost to do the sequence (especially since it would involve working with the six-foot model again, which they loving hated because it was too big for their motion-control rigs), and Rick Berman was like "... um, yeah, nope, not doing that."
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Aug 10, 2018 00:28
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It's pretty crazy thinking that a moderate level sci-fi movie used to be made on a $30 million budget. Wow, Hollywood and expenses have spiraled out of control.
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Bogus Adventure posted:It's pretty crazy thinking that a moderate level sci-fi movie used to be made on a $30 million budget. Wow, Hollywood and expenses have spiraled out of control. Hell, that's how Joss Whedon got Serenity made (and keep in mind this was ten years after Generations): Universal would only allow it if he could keep the budget under $40 million. Granted, the movie's dogshit, but it was still an impressive achievement.
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Aug 10, 2018 00:32
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Timby posted:Hell, that's how Joss Whedon got Serenity made (and keep in mind this was ten years after Generations): Universal would only allow it if he could keep the budget under $40 million. I cannot stand Firefly and Serenity, but I'll admit that the previews for the latter looked pretty.
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Aug 10, 2018 00:39
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Bogus Adventure posted:I cannot stand Firefly and Serenity, but I'll admit that the previews for the latter looked pretty. Oh, it's an unspeakably ugly (and terrible) movie, but getting that level and amount of effects work done--both practical and CGI--and turning the movie in under-budget, in 2005 money, is still pretty impressive, especially considering they had to rebuild the entire interior of the Serenity from scratch.
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Aug 10, 2018 00:43
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man i liked the serenity movie in high school. rewatched it recently and.. boy that did not hold up well
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Aug 10, 2018 00:49
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Timby posted:- Do effects work, including hauling out, restoring and rewiring the six-foot Galaxy model because that was the only one that could actually separate the saucer That, and it's also the only one that would hold up well on the big screen. I mean really a big part of the problem was insisting on the crossover movie. Take out Kirk, Scotty, and Chekov, and there's your $8 million for the cool space battle. Jesus, that's over a quarter of the movie's budget, and this is supposed to be TNG's show; $2 million of that is going to a couple of guys who are only in, what, fifteen minutes of the movie?
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Aug 10, 2018 01:39
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i guess in hindsight it seems obvious but yeah blowing all that money on the geriatric cast was a horrible loving idea that was the entire plot of the movie, though, so i guess they would have.. had to write a better movie
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Aug 10, 2018 01:43
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Yandat posted:damar has the best character development of anyone in that show. from background lacky to forefront puppet to alcoholism to heroic martyr it's true. also, coincidentally, that person who draws spock as a dog is desperately trying to get some money to buy signatures from the cast at an upcoming con, so i threw some money their way and they asked if i wanted an art, and i said damar would be good. what i got was worth every money.  i love this.
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hmm, perhaps the internet isn't completely bad after all
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:That, and it's also the only one that would hold up well on the big screen. I have a feeling they were really hellbent on Kirk meeting Picard because 1) Moore and Braga admitted they desperately wanted to write a movie that could have a poster of the two Enterprises battling each other and 2) Spock meeting Picard in Unification wound up resulting in a huge ratings boost, same with Scotty appearing in Relics. I mean, granted, it was still a better idea than the poo poo Maurice Hurley barfed out as his script concept--I'll never understand why they went back to him, of all people--but just as Insurrection and Nemesis are the People's exhibits A and B as to why you don't let the actors have creative control, Generations is a textbook example of why you don't have two television writers, both of whom are physically and mentally exhausted from working on the final seasons of TNG and especially the madness of writing the finale, write their first movie and have it be a crossover with James Kirk and destroying the goddamn Enterprise. But Paramount and bad decisions with the TNG movies kind of went hand-in-hand. The original plan was to destroy the Defiant in the opening Borg battle--which, again like Generations, was supposed to be an actual space battle instead of a few shots of starships getting pounded, then the Enterprise coming in and getting everyone to one-shot the cube; much of the budget was spent allowing the newbie Frakes to have a longer shooting schedule, along with shooting on location for like a third of the movie--until DS9 showrunner Ira Steven Behr heard about it, and essentially threatened to have Berman, Moore and Braga all murdered if that happened. I exaggerate, but only slightly. (Behr is a bit ... eccentric.) Timby fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Aug 10, 2018 |
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Aug 10, 2018 02:49
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The best thing about First Contact is that it had Adam Scott in it.
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Is that why Adam Scott's character in Parks and Rec is a Star Trek nerd? The only thing I really remember from First Contact is that goddamn drill going into Picard's eye, and it still grosses me out to think about.
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first contact is not a "Good Film" as such, but it's still fun to watch. i showed it to a bunch of non-trekkie friends and they had a hoot and a holler. it's basically just a 90s action film with cheesy humor and decent special effects
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Aug 10, 2018 03:57
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For all the film’s faults, the scenes on Earth are all fantastic. Picard and Data talking about the Phoenix, Cochrane drinking Troi under the table, Barclay freaking out meeting him, it’s all great.
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the deflector dish scene is decently tense and neat, i think. everything between data and the borg queen is terrrrrrible though
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Aug 10, 2018 04:12
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I was so shocked that hawk died
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shovelbum posted:I was so shocked that hawk died Minor side-note, but one of the funniest self-aware things I have ever seen in a film is in the first JJTrek movie. The scene where they announce the away team going down to the drill over Vulcan, and they go "okay, it's going to be Sulu, Kirk... and .
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Minor side-note, but one of the funniest self-aware things I have ever seen in a film is in the first JJTrek movie. The scene where they announce the away team going down to the drill over Vulcan, and they go "okay, it's going to be Sulu, Kirk... and IIRC it was pretty horrific too. Doesn’t his chute gently caress up and flip him directly into the energy drill beam thing?
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Big Mean Jerk posted:IIRC it was pretty horrific too. Doesn’t his chute gently caress up and flip him directly into the energy drill beam thing? Yup. It was his own fault though, because he just HAD to push the timing on the parachute release.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:For all the film’s faults, the scenes on Earth are all fantastic. Picard and Data talking about the Phoenix, Cochrane drinking Troi under the table, Barclay freaking out meeting him, it’s all great. As much as I dislike First Contact in general, as Frakes is an incredibly boring director and the pacing is all over the drat place, I love that Cromwell was actually, legitimately hammered in the bar scene with Riker and Troi, as it was his first night on the set and he was terrified of doing a big "franchise" movie, so after every take he'd go back to his trailer, knock back a shot of tequila--maybe it was whiskey, I forget--then go back for the next one, and poo poo got goofy after like 2 or 3 in the morning, because Sirtis and Frakes kept corpsing, so they had to keep re-shooting while it was still dark outside. It's not unlike how Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley were similarly punchy when the shuttlecraft comes to cancel their shore leave; it was literally the last night that the production had money for shooting before they'd officially go over-budget, so you had Shatner himself manually adjusting lights for Andy Laszlo, and everyone just looks loving beat. Edit: That bar scene in First Contact is one of the few times in the movie where you can see how exhausted Frakes was making the movie; when he looks over at the passed-out Troi, his eyes are puffy, narrow and glassy and you can see that the man just wanted some drat sleep, considering he was showing up to the set at 6 or 6:30 every morning. Timby fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Aug 10, 2018 |
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dudeness posted:Is that why Adam Scott's character in Parks and Rec is a Star Trek nerd? Maybe? It could also just be because Adam Scott rules.
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