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CharlestheHammer posted:Or maybe I like VNs yeah deffo upset. u seem extremely het up by this i would recommend going for a walk weather permitting
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Spicy hot take, apparently: I like strategy but not tedious and pointless micromanagement.
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Gobblecoque posted:Spicy hot take, apparently: I like strategy but not tedious and pointless micromanagement. i keep this in the down low cause it makes people angry but... same.
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Aug 6, 2018 22:56
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You should play EU4 then, the game doesn’t really have any micromanagement. Hell most paradox games don’t.
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Aug 6, 2018 22:59
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CharlestheHammer posted:You should play EU4 then, the game doesn’t really have any micromanagement. move your armies from one end of the continent to the other without half of them dying from exposure keep a revolt from cracking off using garrisoned troops keep neighboring nations from becoming outraged and joining a defensive pact against you
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Aug 6, 2018 23:08
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Cease to Hope posted:move your armies from one end of the continent to the other without half of them dying from exposure also managing multiple armies over multiple fronts, plus making sure your navy isn't getting decimated while you focus on land,
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Aug 6, 2018 23:11
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Yeah you do have to play them unfortunately but micromanagement isn’t really a thing. Though HOI is apparently more micromanagement heavy but I don’t really play those.
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Aug 6, 2018 23:12
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Did you throw a tantrum like this when they added automated diplomats to EU4? Or naval missions? Or automatic rebel suppression?
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Aug 6, 2018 23:26
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I think it's some sort of self-help thing like vision boards or whatever. If you repeat a mantra of "there is no micromanagement" then you convince yourself that there is no micromanagement? 
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Coolest part of EU4: When you have Lithuania in a PU and don't have to smash rebels, don't have to fight wars, don't have to siege anything, just win win win Worst part of EU4: when you integrate them Having an HRE vassal swarm? Super fun. Having a giant PU partner (or vassals / marches) that do fighting for you? Fantastic! The ability to take your own armies and have them do any of that poo poo? Total garbage! why even play the game if you aren't going to play it?
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considering I have in fact kept the hre unintegrated so I could just laugh manaiaclly while unleashing the vassal swarm on people while focusing on my own army as a sort of trouble shooter yes I agree to everything you've posted I like making decisions and attempting long term strategy while shaping my countries character more than moving a bunch of armies around.
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Aug 6, 2018 23:40
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Ham Sandwiches posted:Yeah that makes sense, and given that, perhaps a way to phrase the question is "what kinds of freeform objectives work with the gameplay and the setting to be viable with the game mechanics rather than at odds with them" Surviving until the end is usually a good enough objective, because my go-to is to start as some one province count. Sometimes I wind up king! Sometimes I get holy warr'd and die a century in.
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Ham Sandwiches posted:I really dig EU4 and Stellaris, I've tried to mess around with CK2 a few times but have a hard time getting into it Watch the past few days of sips_' videos on twitch if you want to know how to enjoy CK2.
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uXs posted:Watch the past few days of sips_' videos on twitch if you want to know how to enjoy CK2. Serious post: I've really been enjoying Many A True Nerd's latest playthrough. Enough that I might actually give CK2 another chance (I am soooooooo bad at it).
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CK2 is more fun if you haven't mastered its systems, tbh. there's a sweet spot where you understand the game well enough to be able to form events into coherent narratives, but not so well that you stop seeing the people as people instead of rules-driven game pawns.
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Wish they would make a expansion for HOI4 that was alternate history.
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ExtraNoise posted:Serious post: I've really been enjoying Many A True Nerd's latest playthrough. Enough that I might actually give CK2 another chance (I am soooooooo bad at it). I looked this person up and I'm finding his videos hard to watch because he edits them to remove the slow moments. Sounds like a good idea in theory, but in practice, there's such a high density of stuff happening that it's honestly exhausting. I dunno how anyone can watch this for like an hour+ at a time.
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Crowsbeak posted:Wish they would make a expansion for HOI4 that was alternate history.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I looked this person up and I'm finding his videos hard to watch because he edits them to remove the slow moments. Sounds like a good idea in theory, but in practice, there's such a high density of stuff happening that it's honestly exhausting. I dunno how anyone can watch this for like an hour+ at a time. This is super weird to read because it's basically the opposite of how I feel about the channel. I like that he takes time to explain each system, like setting character focuses and what they're good for, and how levy systems work, and the different sucession laws, which is why his videos end up being over an hour long. The only slow moments removed are literally cuts when nothing has happened (that I can tell, maybe stuff is happening I don't know about?) Either way, I was just happy to find a new channel that's not a super wacky character taking up 20% of the screen with their face and playing the game poorly because they're so focused on their streaming persona or whatever. Ugh.
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Crowsbeak posted:Wish they would make a expansion for HOI4 that was alternate history. Next update will let you decide the paths countries take, so that should help
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:I believe their next expansion for it, "Man The Guns", is going to include an alternate history path for the US which would include a second US Civil War and a Fascist option for Britain. I'm not sure if that is what you are asking for (I personally wouldnt mind an alt-history start) but with the existing options and ability to turn of Historical Focuses for the AI you can go alternate reality pretty fast. one of the free features in 1.6 is scripted alt-history starts as options at launch, like fascist UK or constitutional monarchy Germany
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Crowsbeak posted:Wish they would make a expansion for HOI4 that was alternate history. Challenge mode: alternate history options that aren't based on fascists, communists or the CSA taking over everything.
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McSpanky posted:Challenge mode: alternate history options that aren't based on fascists, communists or the CSA taking over everything. Finally Feudalism time to shine
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Part of the issue for modders is that it's hard to do a detailed alternate history when it will require a major update in six months for the new DLC. That's part of why Divergences (and the Azeri LP) are the only ones I know of: all the LP mods for EU4, or Europa Gooniversalis, are obsolete.
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Cease to Hope posted:one of the free features in 1.6 is scripted alt-history starts as options at launch, like fascist UK or constitutional monarchy Germany
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McSpanky posted:Challenge mode: alternate history options that aren't based on fascists, communists or the CSA taking over everything. i guess monarchists/revanchists don't count? dod had some alt-history monarchies AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Well poo poo, I missed that part, that's awesome! yeah, it was in the most recent dev diary
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ExtraNoise posted:This is super weird to read because it's basically the opposite of how I feel about the channel. I like that he takes time to explain each system, like setting character focuses and what they're good for, and how levy systems work, and the different sucession laws, which is why his videos end up being over an hour long. The only slow moments removed are literally cuts when nothing has happened (that I can tell, maybe stuff is happening I don't know about?) It's the parts where nothing happen that make these kinds of videos watchable for me. It's why I like DDRJake's videos, and why I liked some of Paradox's own video series. Those are super chill and easy to watch. Call me old, but without that, there's just too much happening and I struggle to keep up.
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Morrow posted:Part of the issue for modders is that it's hard to do a detailed alternate history when it will require a major update in six months for the new DLC. That's part of why Divergences (and the Azeri LP) are the only ones I know of: all the LP mods for EU4, or Europa Gooniversalis, are obsolete. peace of god was the best alt history scenario, rip miscmods Jazerus fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Aug 8, 2018 |
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McSpanky posted:Challenge mode: alternate history options that aren't based on fascists, communists or the CSA taking over everything. Look, the Combined Syndicates of America are just trying to bring Syndicalism to everyone. One thing I was thinking though for alt hist scenarios why not for instance Azeri tl as a full on pack, along with Kaiserreich.
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Alt history: the Mongol empire never stopped.
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Nosfereefer posted:Alt history: the Mongol empire never stopped. Until the Aztec colonizers arrived, that is. (I will never play Sunset Invasion)
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Majorian posted:Until the Aztec colonizers arrived, that is.  the war of the suns e: i will write a turtedove novel about the nuclear war between the mongol and aztec empires Nosfereefer fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Aug 8, 2018 |
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The cultural and technological renaissance happened in the south-east African trading republics, rather than north Italy. The Great Powers of Africa are now scrambling to secure the rich coal and iron resources of Europe.
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CharlestheHammer posted:You should play EU4 then, the game doesn’t really have any micromanagement. Nah, EU4 has flanking force whack-a-mole, carpet sieging, attrition avoidance pathing... this is all before you get to stuff like moving missionaries around or remembering to renew icons or whatever. Honestly I like the individual fighting mechanics but the war as a whole in EUIV is such a massive pain in the rear end past a hundred years or two. Extremely  for everyone who keeps a PU/march partner for doing all the boring poo poo while you focus on decisive battles.
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McSpanky posted:Challenge mode: alternate history options that aren't based on fascists, communists or the CSA taking over everything. i mean it's still a game about a war you need an ideological driven great war to happen
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chinese explorers dicover the vast silver mines of europe. centuries of brutal exploitation ensues
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McSpanky posted:Challenge mode: alternate history options that aren't based on fascists, communists or the CSA taking over everything. The millennium dawn mod has a Monarchist party, and the AI for some reason almost always flips one or two major European powers that way.
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Is millenium dawn at all worth playing yet? It used to be pretty loving dull
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spectralent posted:Nah, EU4 has flanking force whack-a-mole, carpet sieging, attrition avoidance pathing... this is all before you get to stuff like moving missionaries around or remembering to renew icons or whatever. Yeah, splitting and microing armies to optimally have a front-line of only cav(or only inf later), making sure arty goes in the right place, etc. is just miserable. They've done a great job reducing micro with a lot of the rest, though. I'll go ahead and say it: I think if you allowed more internal politic stuff in EU, then making the army a little more automated would work wonders. Short of that, removing incentive to micro front-lines would be a big gain, since Paradox has explicitly decided they don't want to give you tools to control front lines either.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:I honestly think Vicky 2 is too long, at least at the end - it should run to 1920, not all the way to 1936. It doesn't really handle the rise of fascism and the world economy in that period as well as earlier, and the jankyness becomes more apparent. Possibly should start earlier, around 1820 so you get the full transition from the Napleonic and a bit more room for alt-history. I think you could roll the start back to 1789 and have it be good. Definitely should end at 1920.
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