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Shirec posted:How do you get used to office hours being flexible? I got super anxious today because I’ve been getting in at 9 (I’m generally first) and it feels so alien. Hours policy is “whatever as long as your work is getting done”. I stayed until 5:30 last night cause of the worrry I work remote so all my hours are flexible by default. If I wanted to I could work all the time, and I have coworkers who never turn off. It's kind of a problem (for them). Personally I use the Pomodoro system to make sure that I'm putting in the hours but not going crazy with it. Doesn't mean I don't work late or stop early some days, I just try to balance it out over the week. It's also entirely possible that your office could be "flexible" like my last job, which I hated. In this case "flexible" meant that the CEO got in around 11am - noon and expected everyone to keep his hours, which meant staying until like 8pm. As someone who has always been a morning person, not to mention one of the few members of the team with a spouse and a personal life, I would always leave before 6. I got a bunch of side-eyes until the other morning people (the ones with kids) pointed out that I was always the first one in the office and to lay off. There were a lot of problems with unspoken expectations with that job - someone apparently got dinged for wearing a tie to an interview, because Lol Corporate, Amirite? until again the older folk told them to stop being jackasses.
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Shirec posted:How do you get used to office hours being flexible? I got super anxious today because I’ve been getting in at 9 (I’m generally first) and it feels so alien. Hours policy is “whatever as long as your work is getting done”. I stayed until 5:30 last night cause of the worrry I'm in a similar situation at my new job - I'm almost always the first person in and out on my team and I get nervous. I stay at least 8 hours but I still worry they're judging me.
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Aug 10, 2018 19:26
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Pedestrian Xing posted:I'm in a similar situation at my new job - I'm almost always the first person in and out on my team and I get nervous. I stay at least 8 hours but I still worry they're judging me. Flip it in your mind. Do you judge them for coming in late? They probably don't judge you for leaving early, either. I understand where the worry comes from, but almost certainly, no one cares.
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Aug 10, 2018 19:35
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Pedestrian Xing posted:I'm in a similar situation at my new job - I'm almost always the first person in and out on my team and I get nervous. I stay at least 8 hours but I still worry they're judging me. gently caress. Them. If you're not stealing from your employer you're stealing from yourself.
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Aug 10, 2018 19:36
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Pedestrian Xing posted:I'm in a similar situation at my new job - I'm almost always the first person in and out on my team and I get nervous. I stay at least 8 hours but I still worry they're judging me. Don't. They probably don't notice or care. Even if they do, they're more likely to notice when you arrive than when you leave. I knew a guy who always got in before everyone else and that's all our supervisor talked about. Never even noticed the dude was taking 2+ hour lunch breaks.
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Aug 10, 2018 19:37
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I work from 8-3 every day. At first I felt weird because I was leaving so “early” but I get my work done and my co-workers know that. It hasn’t been a big deal at all. I don’t know how people do longer days. My brain is usually just about fried by the end.
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Aug 10, 2018 19:37
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Shirec posted:How do you get used to office hours being flexible? I got super anxious today because I’ve been getting in at 9 (I’m generally first) and it feels so alien. Hours policy is “whatever as long as your work is getting done”. I stayed until 5:30 last night cause of the worrry First in at 9am!  Hopefully your management can be upfront about what’s expected if you were to ask. Otherwise... “as long as your work is getting done” is an awesome metric to hold yourself to. Although I do feel weird if I ever want to leave *really* early, even if I’m hitting my hours for the week. But 5 is an exceptionally reasonable time to peace out.
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Aug 10, 2018 19:48
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fourwood posted:First in at 9am! This week may have been a bad example because I think some folks had pre-arranged wfh times or appointments. One team lead told me he averages 8:30 but this week wasn’t one of them haha. But yeah, this afternoon, a lot of folks are leaving early, it’s just communicated really well and everyone seems really chill about it. I’m def gonna find out a bit more about performance metrics when I get more settled. I like excelling and I think I have the opportunity to do that here.
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Aug 10, 2018 20:02
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Shirec posted:How do you get used to office hours being flexible? I got super anxious today because I’ve been getting in at 9 (I’m generally first) and it feels so alien. Hours policy is “whatever as long as your work is getting done”. I stayed until 5:30 last night cause of the worrry You roll in whenever feels good for your body. Come in earlier if you're a morning person, roll in at 10 if you're a late riser. Stay 8-10 hours, depending on how much work you have, and when you reach a good stopping point.
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Aug 10, 2018 20:24
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I just have to be in at 10 for standup and whatever meeting might immediately follow before lunch. As long as I do my 40 nobody cares when. It's great.
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Aug 10, 2018 20:38
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Shirec posted:I like excelling and I think I have the opportunity to do that here. 
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Aug 10, 2018 20:45
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dantheman650 posted:I work from 8-3 every day. At first I felt weird because I was leaving so “early” but I get my work done and my co-workers know that. It hasn’t been a big deal at all. Everyone's brains are fried by that point, at least in this line of work. They stay 8-9 hours because otherwise it will appear that they are not "working hard enough". Yes, it's stupid, but welcome to the culture of capitalism in America.
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Aug 10, 2018 21:20
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Volmarias posted:Stay 8-10 hours, depending on how much work you have, and when you reach a good stopping point. I think 8-10 hours is being VERY generous about your productivity.
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Aug 10, 2018 23:03
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Slimy Hog posted:I think 8-10 hours is being VERY generous about your productivity. Eh. My usual situation is marginal, if any, productivity in the morning (usually, dedicated to emails/scheduling/awakening plus some light development if I'm ready), then good actual development productivity in the afternoon, peaking around 5 or 6pm before dramatically falling off by 7 or 8. I usually don't stay past 6 but if I need to work on something or I'm in the zone I'll keep plugging away, while other days when I'm just letting my brain leak down my ears I'll leave around 4. It works for me 
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Aug 10, 2018 23:16
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I faff about most of the morning (coffee, meetings, e-mails, etc) and put in 2-4 real productive hours after lunch, usually done with real work around 4:30 and leave sometime between 4:30 and 5.
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Aug 10, 2018 23:28
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My previous job I could basically just come and go whenever, it was great. Not sure about New Job yet though, reading their policies they seem to have a lot more old fashioned attitude towards working hours and working from home.
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Aug 10, 2018 23:55
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My work has an "do whatever as long as you get your work done" policy. It's awesome.
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Aug 11, 2018 00:43
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I just have to be there for 10am stand up and whatever meeting immediately follows that, and get my 40/week it's pretty sweet. Almost makes up for all the other stupid poo poo we deal with.
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Shirec posted:How do you get used to office hours being flexible? I got super anxious today because I’ve been getting in at 9 (I’m generally first) and it feels so alien. Hours policy is “whatever as long as your work is getting done”. I stayed until 5:30 last night cause of the worrry Time and experience. It can take a little while when after you come off an terrible job with an rear end in a top hat boss. If you're in a good environment they will support the things that cause LESS stress in employees and you should be able to relax about it more.
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Aug 11, 2018 01:46
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Rubellavator posted:I just have to be there for 10am stand up and whatever meeting immediately follows that, and get my 40/week it's pretty sweet. Almost makes up for all the other stupid poo poo we deal with. My daily standup is at 9PST, I live in EST, so it’s pretty sweet. I normally start around 10am, but every once in a while I wander into my office around 1145
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Aug 11, 2018 02:38
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Shirec posted:How do you get used to office hours being flexible? I got super anxious today because I’ve been getting in at 9 (I’m generally first) and it feels so alien. Hours policy is “whatever as long as your work is getting done”. I stayed until 5:30 last night cause of the worrry Build a reputation for getting your work done. I showed up to work today at 11. (though I called into the hangout for standups at 10:30) Nobody batted an eye. Ask if there are "Core Hours". Former job had core hours of 10-4. All meetings had to fit between those times. I also a lot of times showed up at 11 at that job because no meetings for me. geeves fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Aug 11, 2018 |
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Rubellavator posted:I just have to be there for 10am stand up and whatever meeting immediately follows that, and get my 40/week it's pretty sweet. Almost makes up for all the other stupid poo poo we deal with. Must have been a whole lot of poo poo today to make you forget having posted 4 hours before
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Volmarias posted:You roll in whenever feels good for your body. Come in earlier if you're a morning person, roll in at 10 if you're a late riser. Stay 8-10 hours, depending on how much work you have, and when you reach a good stopping point. This but with 6-8 hours and when stuff is done or the brain is done, you leave for the gym. This is basically what my entire team does.
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Keetron posted:This but with 6-8 hours and when stuff is done or the brain is done, you leave for the gym. This is basically what my entire team does. This. 6-8 hours is ideal. Hit the gym, be happy and ready to roll the next day.
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Dirk Pitt posted:This. 6-8 hours is ideal. Hit the gym, be happy and ready to roll the next day. For reasons unknown to us, we are assigned two products but no PO, only another teams PO who drops by now and then and we have no manager or teamlead. So basically, we nurture these products, refactor where we feel it is best and develop the features that make sense to us or where the sometimesPO says: "Sure go ahead". I do not think this utopia will last a long time and honestly, a bit more direction would be nice too. But the lack of management helps with the "set your own hours".
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Keetron posted:For reasons unknown to us, we are assigned two products but no PO, only another teams PO who drops by now and then and we have no manager or teamlead. So basically, we nurture these products, refactor where we feel it is best and develop the features that make sense to us or where the sometimesPO says: "Sure go ahead". I do not think this utopia will last a long time and honestly, a bit more direction would be nice too. But the lack of management helps with the "set your own hours". oh yeah, that happens when no one cares about your project and they don't have anything else better for you to do. the less experienced of you may experience "fear" in such a situation, but realistically if the company were either well run or people were paying attention, you would not be in that position in the first place - it's a way better position than working on something important and failing at it for your career, because realistically, they're not going to promote someone who is actually responsible for something useful. don't rock the boat and a re-org may happen eventually.
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I would be no good with the “work until your work is done” idea. There is always some tech debt to clean up that I never have time to get to.
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Math.min(time_to_work_done, typical_work_day_hours)
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I just work until I start making “ok it’s time to go home” mistakes. Sometimes it’s 7, sometimes it’s 4, usually it’s around 5:15.
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raminasi posted:I just work until I start making “ok it’s time to go home” mistakes. Sometimes it’s 7, sometimes it’s 4, usually it’s around 5:15. Best thing I ever did for the quality of my code was to stop coding in the late afternoon, and work on stuff like documentation instead or tracking down bugs instead.
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I'm trying to make a good impression so I asked to re-write the onboarding wiki they have because some of it was out of date/could be made clearer. Permission was given so I at least have one solid productive task to do next week. Are there any other things I could do besides listen and ask good questions? I'm mostly pairing (and not even really pairing since I don't know enough yet, more shadowing) with other folks that just started in the past year or so (or even months), but I've had lots of opportunity to chat with the senior guys. I'm glad I'm I asked about the hours thing though (and that I'm not the only one that sometimes struggles with how much/how long haha).
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I work from about 7:30am to about 4pm most days. The rest of my team doesn't show up until 10:30 at the earliest, but they usually don't head home until after 7. A few of them don't leave until closer to midnight. Some people have given me poo poo about leaving 'early' but I tell them to go pick up my kids then if they want me to work later, and that usually shuts them up. No one officially cares as long as I'm there between 7 and 7 and get stuff done. Mostly it's single coworkers complaining about all the extra 'flexibility' I get as someone with family commitments. Whatever. Also, four weeks minimum vacation, three bonus vacation days to cover the Christmas shut down period, two weeks paid sick leave, five extra days sick leave without evidence, plus I can bank up to a week's worth of time off if I work longer than 38 hours a week. Socialist Australia, baby.
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Pollyanna posted:If you advertise unlimited vacation I’m taking a minimum of 20 workdays off. In practice, this would probably get me fired, but at least I’d make a stand against the grim specter of capitalism. Reading the horror stories in this thread I'm honestly amazed* software devs in the US aren't all FULLCOMMUMISM already. Raise your keyboards! *not really
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megalodong posted:Reading the horror stories in this thread I'm honestly amazed* software devs in the US aren't all FULLCOMMUMISM already. There's a terrible steak of libertarianism among software engineers in the US, because we've all bought in to the meritocracy myth.
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I love America, where workers are so brainwashed that we worry that we aren't being exploited as much as we should be.
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Volmarias posted:There's a terrible steak of libertarianism among software engineers in the US A steak cooked to shoe leather by Bitcoin mining rigs.
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Volmarias posted:There's a terrible steak of libertarianism among software engineers in the US, because we've all bought in to the meritocracy myth.
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megalodong posted:Reading the horror stories in this thread I'm honestly amazed* software devs in the US aren't all FULLCOMMUMISM already. It goes both ways. When I read about London developers being thankful for £45k a year.
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Hughlander posted:It goes both ways. When I read about London developers being thankful for £45k a year. Doesn't the UK has free healthcare for all?
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Keetron posted:Doesn't the UK has free healthcare for all? Yes
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