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Don Gato posted:So did the Romans think of other gods as equivalents to their own gods or did they see the world more as "my God can beat up your God"? I'm sorry if this is an obvious question but I've been having trouble figuring out how the Romans saw religion. "What do you mean 'your' god? They're my gods now."
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Grand Fromage posted:He's being very specific. The native Roman religion has no named gods. What we think of as the Roman gods are one of the many branches of the old pan-Mediterranean religion, likely first adopted from Etruscan forms.
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Grand Fromage posted:Anyway Romans seemed to accept all gods as real, either as foreign names/aspects of more familiar ones or as deities from elsewhere. My favorite is Romans writing about India somehow deciding the Buddha was a foreign name for Hercules.
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Aug 13, 2018 10:21
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Mantis42 posted:It's Gan Ying as quoted by vol. 88 of the Book of Later Han. Thanks my dude.
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Aug 13, 2018 11:39
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Scarodactyl posted:Pan-Mediterranean? That's interesting, as I'd assumed the relationship was more broadly indoeuropean, since even the germanic religions had direct cognates (like Tues to Deus/Zues). Guess that's either different time scales or maybe a later crossover. It could be, that's all so far preliterate that it's real tough to know anything.
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Grand Fromage posted:Anyway Romans seemed to accept all gods as real, either as foreign names/aspects of more familiar ones or as deities from elsewhere. Isn't that how Hinduism deals with potential conflicts of faith as well?
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Kinda. In Hinduism (at least some types) every divine is an aspect of Brahman, whether it be a native one like say Shiva or someone foreign like Jesus.
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Aug 13, 2018 13:04
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Angry Salami posted:My favorite is Romans writing about India somehow deciding the Buddha was a foreign name for Hercules. Ancient Greece influenced India a lot thanks to Alexander the Great and there were even discovered a statue of Hercules in Mathura: 
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Aug 13, 2018 13:17
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Alhazred posted:Ancient Greece influenced India a lot thanks to Alexander the Great and there were even discovered a statue of Hercules in Mathura: Which is why it's called Indo-European.
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Aug 13, 2018 13:20
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Back in the day every crossroad had its own god as did every house and the wilderness was just crawling with an endless array of nameless spirits. The British Boggarts/Hobs/Brownies, the Nordic Tomte/Nisse, the German Kobold, Iberian Trasgu, Italian Monaciello, the Russian Domovoi are house gods that survived Christianisation.
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Aug 13, 2018 13:20
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Freudian posted:Which is why it's called Indo-European. Indo Europeans successfully invaded Europe and India and then their descendants invaded India under Alexander and then later their British descendants invaded India in the 18th century. It's 2000+ years of Indo-European fratricide.
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Aug 14, 2018 03:30
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Freudian posted:Which is why it's called Indo-European. ...no, the hypothesized Indo-European cultures spread (likely from Central Asia) many centuries and even millennia before Alexander. Turkish, Finnish, and Basque are three European language isolates, notable for not being related to all their Indo-European neighbors.
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Aug 14, 2018 06:06
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Fuschia tude posted:...no, the hypothesized Indo-European cultures spread (likely from Central Asia) many centuries and even millennia before Alexander. I always wonder how Basque ended up the way it did. No known related languages living or dead. Almost everything else spoken today has something related to it under some language group/family but Basque is dissimilar from everything humans have compared it to going back to Sumerian.
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Aug 14, 2018 06:38
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Language isolates aren't that uncommon. It's really just Europe that's ended up with one remaining isolate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Language_isolates
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Aug 14, 2018 06:41
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FAUXTON posted:I always wonder how Basque ended up the way it did. No known related languages living or dead. Almost everything else spoken today has something related to it under some language group/family but Basque is dissimilar from everything humans have compared it to going back to Sumerian. If you look at places still dominated by small bands of hunter-gatherers like New Guinea, it seems like the "default" state of language is to have small regions where tribes speak the same or closely linked languages, and then in the next valley over you have something completely linguistically unrelated (or at least the common ancestor of the languages is so far back that it doesn't leave any hints in current speech). Based on the language distributions we observe in history and the modern day, it seems like improved transportation gradually homogenizes languages as it becomes more and more advantageous to speak the same language as your neighbors, either because they're richer, culturally dominant, or have just conquered you. It isn't really too surprising to me that such an inconsistent, random-ish process would miss a few spots--and even then, I wouldn't be surprised if Basque were dead or dying a hundred years from now.
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Aug 14, 2018 06:47
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Basque kind of is dying depending on how you evaluate it, but I don’t think it will die any time soon barring a big change in Spain’s policy towards linguistic minorities (which however you could hardly say is never going to happen). More people speak it now than twenty years ago thanks to its guaranteed position under the modern Spanish constitution, but the territorial extent over which it’s widely spoken has been decreasing for centuries. If the Spanish state took the same attitude towards it as the French state does, it would very likely die.
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Aug 14, 2018 11:57
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Fuschia tude posted:Turkish, Finnish, and Basque are three European language isolates, notable for not being related to all their Indo-European neighbors. Turkish and Finnish aren't language isolates. Not even slightly.
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Aug 14, 2018 12:03
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skasion posted:More people speak it now than twenty years ago...but the territorial extent over which it’s widely spoken has been decreasing
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Aug 14, 2018 13:00
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HEY GUNS posted:doesn't this just mean basques are moving to cities Sort of: Basque language has definitely become more prominent in cities over the last decades at least but in the short term, it isn’t so much a population movement thing. It has more to do with the rise in Basque-language education post-Franco. Older people are far more likely than younger people to be monolingual in Spanish. Here’s a slightly dated but pretty interesting paper on the subject. In Spanish but the figures are quite easy to understand. It’s limited to the Basque Autonomous Community so doesn’t include data from Navarre unfortunately.
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Mr Enderby posted:Turkish and Finnish aren't language isolates. Not even slightly. It's also extremely cool. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_keS5CgpBT0
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Aug 14, 2018 21:09
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Aug 14, 2018 22:48
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I'd say the Hungarians won the race.
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Aug 14, 2018 23:26
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Are the dots of Turkish in Europe from Turkish immigrant communities?
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Aug 14, 2018 23:52
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Elyv posted:Are the dots of Turkish in Europe from Turkish immigrant communities? It appears so; I've just learned that 5% of the residents of Cologne are Turkish citizens.
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Aug 15, 2018 00:00
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I love seeing poo poo like this because I love connecting the dots, like there being "Sakha" on that and there is a place named "Sakhalin" and "Tuvan" right where Tannu Tuva is in HoI4.
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Aug 15, 2018 00:04
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Interactive geospatial map of the roman empire circa 200 ce. http://orbis.stanford.edu/
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Aug 15, 2018 09:50
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Mr Enderby posted:Interactive geospatial map of the roman empire circa 200 ce. And we come full circle again.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:And we come full circle again. This thread has been going for six years dude.
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Aug 15, 2018 19:59
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WoodrowSkillson posted:And we come full circle again. More a spheroidal section really
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Mr Enderby posted:This thread has been going for six years dude. its just amusing that's all, i literally waste like an hour every time its posted
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Aug 15, 2018 20:04
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Nonsense. This thread is flat.
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Aug 15, 2018 20:10
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FreudianSlippers posted:Nonsense. Korea is not represented at all!
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Aug 15, 2018 20:21
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WoodrowSkillson posted:And we come full circle again. Does that mean I get to post about Atlantis in Bolivia soon?
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Aug 15, 2018 20:57
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You just did.
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I haven't followed for a long time, but isn't the thread long overdue for a chat about the bronze age collapse?
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mortons stork posted:I haven't followed for a long time, but isn't the thread long overdue for a chat about the bronze age collapse? Truly there is nothing new under the sun!
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Grevling posted:Truly there is nothing new under the sun! Except Sea People.
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If Sea People evolved from Sea Monkeys how come there are still Sea Monkeys? Checkmate, atheist's
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WoodrowSkillson posted:And we come full circle again. Nah,  never showed up again.
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Elyv posted:Are the dots of Turkish in Europe from Turkish immigrant communities? The ones in Germany and farther yes. The ones in the Balkans are populations remaining from the Ottoman days, used to be far more Turkish speakers in the area, but ethnic cleansing/genocide obviously had it's effect. Altaic as a family is as far as I'm aware pretty discredited these days. Grape fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Aug 16, 2018 |
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