Patter Song posted:Could we get a world map? I read that commerce raiders are better than frigates if you prioritising speed, but otherwise it's better to just build frigates bulk? I could be wrong though And yeah, here you go:  Luhood posted:Does this suggest what I think it suggests? That we, somehow, went to war with our most honourable allies the Meiji Benin? If so I'm utterly ashamed of us! Nah, it means Benin called us in as allies, and we took over as war leader and negotiated the peace deal. The pop ups are just stupid sometimes. ThatBasqueGuy posted:LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo Nope, no battleships, first one will be launched in about 4-5 months.
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Looks like Hannover dropped out the GP ratings. Who ascended? Berber Union? We'll make a very big pile of dead Russians, Frenchies and Berbers.
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Welp. It's a good thing Benin is still our ally; hopefully Morocco isn't equipped to fight a two-front war. I'm really hoping our navy pulls through... I'll feel awful if, after all this, we still get our teeth kicked in at sea. Come to think of it, though, if we do successfully blockade the Strait and the surrounding coasts, we're in a great position to knock France out ASAP. We have them surrounded, after all! MaxieSatan fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Aug 13, 2018 |
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Aug 13, 2018 23:15
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Last I recall, Russia's army was bigger than all of Europe combined. So, err, good luck, Hashim!
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MaxieSatan posted:Welp. It's a good thing Benin is still our ally; hopefully Morocco isn't equipped to fight a two-front war. In a crisis war where great wars aren't enabled yet, only great powers who actually picked sides in the crisis are involved in the war, you can't call in any allies. So it's gonna be Al Andalus + SGU + Celtic Union vs. Morocco + DM + Russia, nobody else.
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Hashim posted:In a crisis war where great wars aren't enabled yet, only great powers who actually picked sides in the crisis are involved in the war, you can't call in any allies. 
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Aug 13, 2018 23:29
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Well France just lost a war to the CU alone so it should hopefully fold no problem to a three front war with three different GP's. Morocco if we can win on the seas is a total pushover, but if we don't then uh oh. The big problem is Russia who's big enough to solo all of Europe so lol that's gonna be fun.
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Yeah hopefully Morocco's navy is split up and we can destroy it piecemeal. But rmeember the DM has a strong navy, too. I don't expect us to achieve naval dominance in this war. I do expect Morocco will focus an inordinate amount of effort on our colonies even with naval dominance in the strait. Hopefully, we and our allies can beat the DM before Russia mobilizes.
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Aug 13, 2018 23:42
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Crazycryodude posted:Well France just lost a war to the CU alone so it should hopefully fold no problem to a three front war with three different GP's. Morocco if we can win on the seas is a total pushover, but if we don't then uh oh. The big problem is Russia who's big enough to solo all of Europe so lol that's gonna be fun.
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The war is going to end up being a race against Russia's lovely, underdeveloped train network. Let's hope the Tsar's troops were stationed far away from the border.
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Rodyle posted:The AI would have to stumble all the way over to Iberia. It can do so yes, but not in a particularly orderly fashion. So long as we play a smart defense it shouldn't be TOO bad. I would imagine Russia is also behind on military tech, so we might be able to turn it into a meatgrinder for them. If we're really lucky, of course, they'll have to deal with rebels or they'll find out that Japan isn't that interested in being friends. Let's not count on it, though.
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Crazycryodude posted:Well France just lost a war to the CU alone so it should hopefully fold no problem to a three front war with three different GP's. I think that happened because the DM decided to throw its armies into the Hungarian-Serbian war, while leaving the CU to fully occupy Britain, for some reason. Vicky AI can be a real mystery sometimes.
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Hot dog! It's finally happening! I definitely wouldn't mind Morocco getting cleaned out of Iberia AND knocked away from the Palermitani coast as well! Maybe we'll get lucky and Greece will make their move against Morocco's puppet kingdom, and then Morocco will never go north of the Mediterranean ever again! Still no idea how the SGU is going to form a full Germany without a full, violent occupation of Hanover, but I guess that's a good step. It's a real shame that in the great alliance shuffling Al Andalus has wound up on the wrong side of Russia, though. They were the only country in the Congress of Cadiz that wanted a united Iberia. This is gonna be a real slugfest, but the most powerful enemy power is also the furthest from the wargoal.
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Navy wise we should be fine - the Vicky 2 AI is terrible at building Ironclads etc wjen they become avaliable, I imagine morocco's large fleet is mostly still wooden ships in the 1880s. This war shouldn't go too badly, although our mil tech isn't grest at the moment.
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You know, given that we kinda went all King Leopold on the Congo there I gotta ask...are we the baddies?
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Hashim posted:In a crisis war where great wars aren't enabled yet, only great powers who actually picked sides in the crisis are involved in the war, you can't call in any allies. Crush DM while holding off Morocco (which can be done if we hold the straight). Rampage through Moroccan Africa, and once we force the DM to kneel focus on them while helping the SGU fend off the Ruskies, and then finally fight the Ruskies. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.
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Cerebral Bore posted:You know, given that we kinda went all King Leopold on the Congo there I gotta ask...are we the baddies? We had no clue what was happening there! It's like the Brits and the Raj, South Africa, and Ireland!
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Cerebral Bore posted:You know, given that we kinda went all King Leopold on the Congo there I gotta ask...are we the baddies? We uh, definitely aren't the goodies. That's Rev. Ibriz I guess, though it depends how they're treating their Irish minorities.
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The Imperials yet again show their true colours, selling not only the souls of the Africans to the wicked wiles of their 'Khedive' Balanabus, but the souls of good Andalusians who could once count upon the gentle, nurturing hand of the Majlis, but now must beware the sinner capitalist over their heads. Legal rights based upon wealth will draw the ire of God, end this tyranny!
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Cerebral Bore posted:You know, given that we kinda went all King Leopold on the Congo there I gotta ask...are we the baddies? I mean, with the possible exceptions of a non-colonial Humanist power in Europa Universalis or a Communist or Democratic regime in Hearts of Iron - and even then it's probably gonna be a stretch - there's basically no way not to be the baddies in a Paradox game. Like, it's true that these actions were taken by a rogue agent, and I'm sure that a few Moderates and a decent chunk of Imperialists would be as horrified as anyone at what was going on there. But even so, it's not like that justifies the wars we waged on Kongo, Kilwa, and Orissa. At this point, I think the best that the Imperialists can hope for is to go down in history as having some semblance of a conscience compared to the Royalists. In 50~100 years there'll be about a billion debates over whether they were "progressive for their day" or "still utterly monstrous from a modern perspective," I'm sure.
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I may have been arrested for being a socialist politician, but I still hope we give Morocco a good kick in the teeth.
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It's one of those, "One's bad, but it's okay because it's fighting someone worse" kinda deals. Morocco's the slaveholding absolute monarchy that was first in line to rape Africa, India, and any island they could find, and their only saving grace is that they've been incompetent at it for the last few decades. Although on the other hand, I'm not sure, but the DM may be the most egalitarian great power out there. They have a constitution, they stalled out their colonial conquests for the longest time, and their only European ambitions were to hold onto southern Britain and to get in the way of German unification, and they kindly failed horribly at both. If you're a Great Power around this time, you kinda have to stomp all over some people. Otherwise you're just some little haven that never produces any news like Socotra.
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Al-Andalus has a serious problem with appointing colonial governors who go rogue and start building local powerbases as soon as they hit the continent. We have to start vetting or something.
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Hey, Hashim, if we manage to beat Morocco against all expectations can you put in a custom event that makes the abolition of slavery part of the peace deal? We can't make up for what we did in our colonies, but at least we can end this abhorrent practice.
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ending slavery in the Maghreb would be uh difficult for us, I think
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Sixth Meeting of the Majlis We’re halfway into the game, and tensions over Qartayannat have finally erupted into war, so it’s time to reshuffle the Majlis once again. Four parties have legal admittance to the assembly - Royalists, Moderates, Imperialists, Socialists - if you want more in-game information on them, click here. Two parties are currently banned - the Radical Liberals and the Communists. I’ve posted the usual screenshots, but if you need any more info to make your choice, just say so and I’ll see what I can do. Without further ado, here are the parties of Al Andalus: Royalists Royalists promise that the war will be over within months if they return to power, and furthermore, they insist on harshly punishing the Berbers for their transgressions and insults - demanding the return of Qartyannat, the cessation of Tangier and the surrender of Malta, as well as harsh war reparations and a greatly-reduced army. If infamy limits permit, then they may try to free the oppressed peoples of Sardinia as well. Primary Issues: They’re primarily focused on securing the historical borders of al-Andalus. These nobles hark back to the days where al-Andalus had a commanding position in Europe, and they vow to one day see all of its continental territories reacquired (including the rest of Iberia, Corsica, Sardinia, and even Sicily). Research Policy: They’re focused on advancing Army technology, and expanding the sizes of both the standing and the mobilised armies.   Moderates Moderates are campaigning on the promise of a quick, decisive war, and whilst they’ll demand the return of Morocco’s Iberian holdings, that will be the full extent of the peace treaty. They don’t want to turn Morocco into a permanently-hostile enemy, as they would be if we seized Tangier, and they’re not interested in further expansion outside Iberia. Primary Issues: The policy of this party is two-pronged. First, they’re concerned with avoiding wars and maintaining the power balance between the great powers, primarily by building a vast defensive alliance web across Europe. Second, they’re devoted to investing in the internal development of al-Andalus via factories, railroads, fortresses and so on, and also improving relations abroad through foreign investment. Research Policy: They’re focused on advancing Industrial and Culture technologies, and will invest heavily in the construction of new buildings and railroads, hoping to kindle the flowering of a new renaissance in Iberia.   Imperialists Imperialists similarly promise great victories in the war to come, vowing to retake Qartayannat and return Malta to Palermo. They have no interest in seizing Tangier, however, and will try to seize some of Morocco’s African colonies instead. Primary Issues: They’re concerned with securing Iberia, with no further expansion in Europe. They’re also interested in building a new colonial empire, however, seeing it as the best way to regain and cement Andalusia’s rightful position as a great power. Research Policy: They’re focused on advancing Naval and Commerce technologies, constructing larger naval bases, and most importantly - expanding and strengthening the navy.   Socialists Socialists claim that this war is just another furnace into which thousands of Andalusi lives will be thrust, without a second thought. They’re determined to end the war as soon as possible, with the acquisition of Qartayannat being their only goal, but if it proves too costly they’ll try to end the conflict on a white peace. Primary Issues: Their chief priority is to keep Al Andalus at peace, with no interest in further expansion, both domestically and globally. They’ll focus on internal development through factories, railroads etc, weakening the capitalist grip on industry, and - most importantly - beginning to implement their socialist ideals via reforms. They will also seek to ally with and strengthen other socialist regimes, though non-violently. Research Policy: They’re focused on advancing Industrial and Commerce technologies, with their secondary focus being culture and (defensive) army tech.   General State of the Nation — all these stats are from a few days before the outbreak of war Great Powers:  Political overview:   Relations overview:  Military overview:  Economy overview  Industrial overview:     Technology overview:     
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QuoProQuid posted:Hey, Hashim, if we manage to beat Morocco against all expectations can you put in a custom event that makes the abolition of slavery part of the peace deal? Yeah sure. Morocco will probably abolish it by 1900, but it would be a big hit to their prestige if we enforce it on them.
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I swore myself to The Socialists, and by Allah so shall they have my support.
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Moderates! A peaceful, finally reunited Al-Andalus, and then mass development. What could be better?
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Imperialists Don't change horses midstream!
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quote:no interest in seizing Tangier Ah, the hell with it, I'm staying the course with the Imperialists. We don't want any nasty surprises when the new Sultan comes into power - better to ensure he's fully aware of the importance of pan-Iberian liberation.
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I was confused why I didn’t see any further conquests from Japan in the previous world map, and I’m very pleased to see them aggressively expanding. I was beginning to get worried that it would be a repeat of early EU4. If we’re lucky, Japan might stab Russian Siberia or Moroccan India in the back as the European hellwar drags on. Also, what are the odds that Benin or Ibriz independently start wars against Morocco/DM? e: Ugh gently caress, I really want the Straits, but I would also like to eventually switch over to the Socialists. Royalists for one last time, and I promise to be a consistent pinko moving forward. Snipee fucked around with this message at 01:21 on Aug 14, 2018 |
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Royalists. Morocco will break. 
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Before you vote Moderate or Socialist, know that they are Anti-Military, which limits military spending iirc. I'd vote Royalist but our military tech is seems mostly up to par and I'd rather kick the Moroccans out of South Africa than Tangiers, now that I know that there are no strait mechanics in this game.
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Aw gently caress it Imperialists to nab all Morocco's colonies and Scramble real hard. Then we can hand it over to the Socialists at the turn of the century for the rest of the game.
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Royalists nothing will go wrong with having a reactionary party with winds in their sails if we win bigly imo
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I really want the Straits, but I also don't want us to turn into an absolutist hellhole. Holding off for now. The only party I know I don't want to elect is the Moderates, who somehow believe that Morocco isn't already "a permanently-hostile enemy."
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