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StrangersInTheNight posted:There's those people who went nuts and had a mental break because they couldn't be on the magical alien elf planet. They're probably really excited for it. I think there was someone in CD who said after leaving the film that "Pandora felt more like the real world than the real world." Sunswipe posted:Maybe a couple of Hollywood bigshots have a Trading Places style bet every few years, so we end up with Shia in Indy 4 while a really good actor who looks like a young Harrison Ford is waiting tables and still wondering why he didn't get the part. There were stories this was how Steven Seagal got his start; a movie producer bet he could turn anyone into a movie star, and choose his aikido instructor.
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muscles like this! posted:Sword Art Online also had the female lead go from being a super badass who leads one of the largest guilds in the game and is arguably just as good of a fighter as the main character to waifu who is completely sidelined for the second story arc and then after that she just kind of hangs around. Yeah I really liked the premise of it, and it was pretty free of gross anime tropes for most of the first season, then... it got rapey and misogynistic out of nowhere 
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fruit on the bottom posted:Speaking for myself I’m also hesitant to call out stuff from other cultures just because “oh here’s the American telling the Japanese how to run their poo poo” angle feels a little weird I get the impression that most of Japan has just as much disdain for the typical anime fan as we do.
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rodbeard posted:I get the impression that most of Japan has just as much disdain for the typical anime fan as we do. True, but Japan's issues with women and LGBT culture are much broader than that.
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Most of Japan does look at weird anime the same way the west does, but One Piece was (is?) One of the most popular manga series in Japan, and has literally been the number one selling manga series for the past decade. I don't know about modern Japan enough to say exactly what their issues with LGBT issues are but I know the Japanese side of my family, until really recently, basically disowned anyone who wasn't straight after high school. Kind of hoping modern Japan has moved past that. Son of Thunderbeast posted:And Italy! Wasn't that just a straight up porn parody? If it was then I'm all for him appearing but everyone gets super uncomfortable talking about him and what he does.
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Aug 14, 2018 05:03
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Sword Art Online I recall was huge for a while then had a massive drop off in popularity or at least popular backlash after the first season.The female lead being sidelined isn't just misogynistic but lovely writing that pissed off most people who liked her, I presume. Those kind of jarring changes almost never go over well no matter what direction they're in. I think anime and manga in Japan is a bit like Star Wars or Marvel movies in America where a ton of people still look down on fans of it that cross some arbitrary line of investment despite it being super popular, and most of the fans are quite used to not caring what society thinks or even revelling in their outcast status. The case of anime is a bit weird since, as I may have said, back in the 90s and 00s (and still a bit now) it was the only game in town for queer representation in media, and down low super popular among teenage girls and young women who were still ignored or treated as vapid morons by mainstream Western media. A whole lot of their own culture and stereotypes grew up around young women who don't care about what they're 'supposed' to, which tends to be completely ignored because people enjoy assuming all nerds are pasty white straight males that are easy targets to mock. (And it can be just as bad when they DO notice; Young Justice got cancelled because too many teenage girls liked it, and Cartoon Network assumed they don't buy merchandise. Not that you'd have an easy time finding merchandise of it even at the height of its popularity)
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But with Young Justice, I always assumed the cancellation was largely due to the show just NOT being as popular as CN would have liked. Teen Titans as INSANELY popular and YJ was tonally way different. It's sort of like then Ninja Turtles cartoon reboot of the early 00s. It seemed like everyone in that kid-teen demographic I heard talk about it HATED that series, despite it being darker and I think more in tune with the comics. They literally wanted the 80s/90s cartoon version, instead. It seemed like it was more the now adult 80s kids who liked the new reboot more. By that same token with Young Justice/Teen Titans. I knew people who were coming off of the JLU series HATED Titans on every single level. The designs, the personalities, the stories. They pretty much refused to watch Young Justice when it came out as a result of how much they disliked Titans and I had to tell at least a few of them it was probably better than the best JLU arcs. WIth the Teen Titans reboot some time later, I don't know if their opinions improved on that run or not just due to it being way more of a satire/parody than the original run.
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I feel like Sword Art Online was supposed to be a full-on harem anime, but they never quite committed all the way to it since they needed Asuna and Kirito to be a couple for the plot to work.
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My experience of Sword Art Online was the first episode was okay, I guess, the second episode hinted at a lot of really interesting stuff that could happen as a society rallies around trying to free themselves by beating this game, and then the third episode ignored all that for a maudlin as gently caress story about a bunch of friends dying horribly so our protagonist could feel more angst. Then the fourth episode involved some small girl in her underwear and that's when I checked out. Like it's hard to judge on 3 1/2 episodes but it seemed like they kept introducing possible plot ideas and then dropping them completely.
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JediTalentAgent posted:But with Young Justice, I always assumed the cancellation was largely due to the show just NOT being as popular as CN would have liked. Teen Titans as INSANELY popular and YJ was tonally way different. Pretty sure one of the people working on the show apparently came out and said that CN's executives went 'Girls are watching this show? What are we supposed to sell, them, T-shirts? Cancel it, we have reality TV to run!' Cartoon Network also has a long, long history of loving over basically any show that they don't own, even though DC is owned by the same parent company; the last seasons of Teen Titans and JLU were absolutely hosed over in scheduling. (also related to the premature cancellation of Transformers Animated, which was at least hastily wrapped up, as Hasbro was sick of CN's poo poo and went off to start their own channel, with ponies and aquabats) While reboots generally always suffer backlash to some extent, especially when they contrast in tone. 00s turtles fans were pissed off at the 2012 CGI cartoon because it went back to being more goofy and like the 80s cartoon. Of course, it got a hell of a lot darker as it went along and attracted a lot of fans back, which is also a common pattern. And now it's probably happening all over again with Rise of the TMNT. Teen Titans was a bit of a weird case given it was part of the executive fuckery that the DCAU kept having to deal with; that along with The Batman meant that Justice League could no longer feature and barely acknowledge any of the characters involved in them, and vice versa. Hence why you get a Robin whose connection to Batman can barely be implied, while Batman's villains disappeared from the last seasons of Justice League. (Weirdly enough, The Batman eventually introduced the Justice League after JLU finished) And Teen Titans Go has had.. conflicting reception since it's full on comedy, and often takes the piss out of the original show (and also Young Justice, not long after its cancellations, which felt like rubbing salt in the wounds for a lot of people). That and Cartoon Network now devotes literally 90% of its schedule to reruns of Teen Titans Go, full on Nickelodeon 'The Spongebob Channel' mode. ...in short, the DC cartoons are a huge mess of conflicting reboots, continuities and legal clusterfucks that frequently pit fans against each other, especially a shame because a lot of those shows were genuinely good. Young Justice actually did a decent job at bridging the thematic gap between Teen Titans and Justice League for a lot of people, though I feel it has its own flaws.
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Aug 14, 2018 09:48
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JediTalentAgent posted:WIth the Teen Titans reboot some time later, I don't know if their opinions improved on that run or not just due to it being way more of a satire/parody than the original run. Oh, people were grousing about the Teen Titans reboot not being as Mature or Serious or Dark as the original run (or Young Justice) and not treating the characters with enough capital-R Respect pretty much as soon as the first footage was released.
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Aug 14, 2018 10:51
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I was in college at the time and loved JLU and Teen Titans.
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Aug 14, 2018 11:11
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Young Justice was an interesting concept but felt very disjointed. I think I'll give it a proper watch at Netflix but still felt at the time that the series had bits from different episodes mashed together in one.
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Aug 14, 2018 11:18
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It's one of those things where everyone remembers the fandom wars and no one remembers the people who happily enjoyed both. Though Teen Titans in particular did attract a fair few fans with only a cursory familiarity with DC stuff; hell, when first watching it I kept forgetting that Robin was meant to have been Batman's sidekick. (although him having a huge inferiority complex does make his characterisation make SO MUCH sense)
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Aug 14, 2018 11:21
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Is the joke about Robin having baby hands based on something or is it just funny?
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I did appreciate that upbeat musical-number where the Titans accidentally run over one of the singers, and he doesn't get up so the Titans flee the scene.
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As a fan of the OG titans (and Young Justice fwiw) who never really got into the TTGO style, the movie was p funny. That mid-credits scene made me  and jeez I hope it really means something
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nonathlon posted:There's a lot of UK comedy from that era that fell out of fashion super fast: League of Gentleman, etc. I remember people who were ardent fans of early series turning on later series that were seemingly identical. Bo loving Selecta.
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The Bloop posted:As a fan of the OG titans (and Young Justice fwiw) who never really got into the TTGO style, the movie was p funny. Well, recently I think it was Tara Strong who tweeted that CN was considering going back and making a "season 6" of the original Teen Titans cartoon, which would air at the same time as TTG. I'm pretty sure that mid credits thing was an allusion to that. And yeah, count me as the small demographic that liked both Teen Titans series. TTG is actively silly, and the movie is great, especially for the ungodly number of DC in-jokes throughout it (seriously, the easter eggs number in the hundreds). And yes, they commit vehicular homicide during a musical number. On a neon tiger voiced by Michael Bolton. Regarding the whole thing towards the end of JLU/OG TT not being able to cross contaminate characters, I loved how it basically became a "DC Arms Race" for the two series to see who could claim which characters first. Like, that was my favorite part of watching after a while.
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EmmyOk posted:I started the X-Files again after picking up the complete set on BD, I've only seen the first season and a half or so before. It's aged fine but it's just extremely funny to me that they effectively just made The Thing in an episode lol Watch for when Vince Gilligan starts showing up in the credits. In my opinion this is when the show becomes great. I feel like this is most appreciable when binge watching the series.
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Aug 14, 2018 21:21
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Young Justice was seriously good stuff and I'm sad there won't ever be more of it. I don't think it's even streaming anymore, which also sucks.
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Aug 14, 2018 21:53
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IIRC Teen Titans Go has Weird Al as Darkseid in an episode which makes it the objectively superior version.
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I have only seen clips of TTG, but it is the superior TT to me because of its ability to make full-on adults melt down online about how they need more animated tween drama and none of this...this...this SILLINESS!!!
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Aug 14, 2018 22:20
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Pookah posted:Bo loving Selecta. Perfect example. And that went for years ...
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I remember enjoying Young Justice when it came out then being left pretty cold by it when I tried to revisit it a few years later. The sort of faux-anime style doesn't really appeal to me as much as it used to after DC started using it for all their animated projects. I guess Aqualad was pretty cool in it.
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TTG is great because they'll do stuff like give kids step by step instructions as to how they can become a slumlord. Or like how the most recent episode has them trying to rebuild Titans Tower after the events of the movie and ends with them bribing the city building inspector so they can rebuild without having to keep it to code.
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AvesPKS posted:Watch for when Vince Gilligan starts showing up in the credits. In my opinion this is when the show becomes great. I feel like this is most appreciable when binge watching the series. Will do! I’m on the one with the space ghost and it sucks. I remember it being the worst of season one.
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muscles like this! posted:TTG is great because they'll do stuff like give kids step by step instructions as to how they can become a slumlord. Or like how the most recent episode has them trying to rebuild Titans Tower after the events of the movie and ends with them bribing the city building inspector so they can rebuild without having to keep it to code. I always liked how in Batman's trophies in the show was the Joker's crowbar. Also another thing I liked in the movie was that Nic Cage voiced Superman. Finally.
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TTG is great. If it annoys people for dubious reasons, all the better. I'd also like to thank this thread for exposing me to The Eric Andre Show, which I can't even describe. It's just amazing.
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TTG isn't aimed at me so I can't get mad at it, but I like it in small doses. It gets on my nerves of I binge watch it, but poo poo like when Control Freak appears or Weird Al Darkseid is great. Kind of annoyed that I can't binge watch the entire DCAU on Netflix anymore.
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I think someone said Cartoon Network was pretty big on having an rough estimate on when they wanted shows to end, even if they were popular. They only wanted the number they needed to keep it around and random repeats. I'm not sure if this was still in the midst of the Cartooon Network anime blocks, though. CN really spent a lot of prime airtime around 2000-2010(?) putting a lot of anime out on the channel, which all things considered was probably a lot cheaper and easier for them to do and they could easily keep scaling the content with the target audience until the AS blocks would start up at night. I honestly don't even know if anime is still a 'big' thing on the main CN channel, anymore, because I don't have cable. When I flip through it on a break at work it's always some cartoony modern Western animation on the channel. Don Gato posted:TTG isn't aimed at me so I can't get mad at it, but I like it in small doses. It gets on my nerves of I binge watch it, but poo poo like when Control Freak appears or Weird Al Darkseid is great. I liked it a bit more than the older TT cartoon from what I've seen, but I think it's because it's obviously not trying to say anything or be serious. To keep using anime references, it's like those short little SD comedy segments they'd throw into the end of an episode that just there for a laugh. I know this is probably a big derail, too, but I'm the only person on the planet who thinks the Loonatics original design outrage was overblown and wrong, and I think the redesigns they made to make people happy were actually WORSE and more disturbing. If they would have stayed with them, I think the show would have had SOME following in the years after. With what we got, I don't even think DA artists care enough to cover it. (So, maybe that's a good thing?) JediTalentAgent has a new favorite as of 05:53 on Aug 15, 2018 |
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As mentioned, CN hasn't been kind to shows they don't own, and pretty much phased out anime almost completely. They were only giving Pokemon absolutely token Saturday morning airings of new episodes until they unsurprisingly lost the license. Short version, there was a big period in the late 00s where they tried to pivot to cheap reality TV like the rest of cable, and cancelled most of their expensive shows and alienated a lot of talent in the process, and when the reality TV was a worse failure than the time they broadcast hockey games for some reason, they floundered around for a fair bit until they got Adventure Time and Regular Show. (after treating Johnny Test the way they treat TTGo now)
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JediTalentAgent posted:I honestly don't even know if anime is still a 'big' thing on the main CN channel, anymore, because I don't have cable. When I flip through it on a break at work it's always some cartoony modern Western animation on the channel. They brought back the Toonami block awhile ago, so that more or less takes the place of Adult Swim on Saturdays, but yeah, seems like that's where they have the anime quarantined to.
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JediTalentAgent posted:I know this is probably a big derail, too, but I'm the only person on the planet who thinks the Loonatics original design outrage was overblown and wrong, and I think the redesigns they made to make people happy were actually WORSE and more disturbing. If they would have stayed with them, I think the show would have had SOME following in the years after. With what we got, I don't even think DA artists care enough to cover it. I always got the impression that the outrage was as much because it looked like a lovely, lazy concept for a show that was yet again desecrating beloved characters as it was because of the designs themselves. The redone designs look differently terrible, and I didn't watch it either way. I mean, I obviously wasn't the target demographic for the show, but I can't imagine kids would've gotten too excited over either dark & edgy or anime-fied Looney Tunes.
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The Duck Dodgers show was incredible, though. Fans get pissed about changes of cartoons, video games, etc etc a lot and people make fun of them or call for their deaths a lot over it but you're going to find yourself reacting exactly the same way when something you care about is changed massively for no reason when there's a long, long history of said changes being almost entirely for the worse. For every improved and elevating reboot there's been half a dozen lovely spinoffs, sequels and adaptations that make changes for no apparent reason but to make the story worse. Am reminded that apparently a bunch of pop feminism sites went full donut twitter upon learning the reboot Buffy might be black. Ghost Leviathan has a new favorite as of 07:49 on Aug 15, 2018 |
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As long as they don't remake Ferris Bueller's Day Off I'll be okay ...nobody tell me if they're remaking FBDO please
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Rollersnake posted:I always got the impression that the outrage was as much because it looked like a lovely, lazy concept for a show that was yet again desecrating beloved characters as it was because of the designs themselves. The redone designs look differently terrible, and I didn't watch it either way. I mean, I obviously wasn't the target demographic for the show, but I can't imagine kids would've gotten too excited over either dark & edgy or anime-fied Looney Tunes. (Note: This is a long rant on my part, and I'm apologizing now because I know it has no place this thread...) Neither was I, but once I looked at the before and after, I think they made horrible mistake in the long run if they were going to do it anyway. I also think that original outrage was accepted way too easily by the studio, and I think the internet anger of it was way out of proportion. Loonatics was ever going to 'replace' the original characters/cartoons, but people acted like it was. It'd never be more than a one or two season thing, but I could see it as this really stylized, abstract, sci-fi superhero Tron thing with those original designs and probably in 2018 that whole gimmick would be better received. Its look is not that far removed from the extremes and stylization that the current Thundercats and She-Ra reboots have gone from the originals (that people are somehow pissed off about, too.) I think despite the way they were designed, if you remove the 'evil' look from them in that original promo image, that design is incredibly malleable. You could put that characters in that design through all sorts of classic cartoony antics, stories, physics and expression way more easily. The one they went with, not so much. But that mistake was on them, I think. IF they'd released with that same design with more varied expressions on each character, with each character having a different expression to show some sign of individual personality or rage of emotions the design could express, I think the reaction would have been better, even if not wholly positive. Also, I don't know much of the original show had changed to accommodate the new designs.
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