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Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
The motivation is bad but the action (hungry, starving, dying landlord) is good. Can someone who's good at ethics help me with this?

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Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Salt Fish posted:

When my company did mandatory personality tests I didn't do it and then lied about the results and it saved me a lot of time. They went around the room in multiple meetings asking about your "personality color" and how that was informing a decision you were making. I just told them my color was red, and as an A-type high energy extrovert I could feel it in my gut that my choices were right.

Yeah, people believe this stuff even though the test is complete hackery, so you might as well backform it to achieve what you want out of it.

VideoGames
Aug 18, 2003

Perry Mason Jar posted:

The motivation is bad but the action (hungry, starving, dying landlord) is good. Can someone who's good at ethics help me with this?

He is a retired cop, too.

EDIT: Also:

NYC Post posted:

Esposito, who has 27 tenants, said he’s not protesting to protect property values, but to ensure safety.

NYC Post posted:

Esposito pled guilty in 2014 to a misdemeanor in connection with a massive Social Security fraud scheme in which his father Joseph Esposito was one of the ringleaders. Esposito, who said he has long been on bad terms with his dad, did not get any jail time.

VideoGames has issued a correction as of 12:19 on Aug 14, 2018

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
this is so sad alexa kill esposito

ekuNNN
Nov 27, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
death to landlords


DrPossum
May 15, 2004

i am not a surgeon

ekuNNN posted:

death to landlords




No, I don't approve of this at all.

Kazak
Jan 10, 2012

What the gently caress

MeatwadIsGod
Sep 30, 2004

Foretold by Gyromancy
Death to the rentier class imo

Testvan
Nov 10, 2003

Inept
Jul 8, 2003

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Sentient Data posted:

It's even better than that. I did some backend dev work for the hiring department of a (huge) company a few years ago, and they believe that the tests are real. I was supposed to take the output of the test's API and have it do whatever based on results, and when it came time to test the system, the department's manager was horrified during the live demo when I asked if I should pass or fail the test. "That can't be cheated!"

Also, if you're bored and don't like the companies, take as many of those tests as you can. They're licensed from a third party and there's a per-applicant cost to taking it

I nearly lost a lab job once because of stupid loving tests like that. Apart from all the standard "would you turn over a turtle" ones, a few of the questions were maths based multiple choice (for a senior lab position :ughh:) and for the very final question, all the options given were wrong.

A couple seemed likely, but there was a basic error in each where they'd confused some of the times codes for decimal values. E.g. 10:50 isn't ten and a half. So, I wrote out a big explanation on the test about why it was wrong and what the correct answer should be.

Because (a) I am that guy in real life and, (b) I thought it was some 4th dimensional chess poo poo and they wanted their staff to be able to spot errors and call them out.

Turns out, nope, the HR guy and the company who made the test just hosed up some basic level maths you'd expect a high school kid to be able to do. And boy, were they pissed about it.

HR binned my test and wrote that I had insulted the company (I said they were wrong!) and if I hadn't already known half the people who worked in the department I was shooting for, I never would have known about it.

And it wouldn't surprise me in the least if that test is still being used somewhere today :sigh:

Megillah Gorilla has issued a correction as of 16:24 on Aug 14, 2018

Kullik
Jan 5, 2017

https://twitter.com/drewtoothpaste/status/1029362552466276352
I feel like this belongs here

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

Isaac posted:

I worked for a company that had this number matching test during the interview like

Which of these matches 2948327
A) 273674 B) 2190101 C)2948327


Years later I was at the office where they did the hiring and I asked what they actually do with those tests. The answer was nothing. They do nothing and go nowhere.

An acquaintance of mine was interviewing for accounting jobs and interviewing at one firm was going really well, fast-track, etc... Then they told him that he just had to meet with HR as a formality and they proceeded to give him one of those bizarre tests. One of the questions was literally:

"Yellow or blue?"
"Huh? What do you mean?"
"I can only repeat the question: yellow or blue?"
"Uhh, blue I guess."

I guess they wanted yellow because after that it was "yeah, uh, we'll get back to you" and a week later he was formally rejected.

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

The_Franz posted:

An acquaintance of mine was interviewing for accounting jobs and interviewing at one firm was going really well, fast-track, etc... Then they told him that he just had to meet with HR as a formality and they proceeded to give him one of those bizarre tests. One of the questions was literally:

"Yellow or blue?"
"Huh? What do you mean?"
"I can only repeat the question: yellow or blue?"
"Uhh, blue I guess."

I guess they wanted yellow because after that it was "yeah, uh, we'll get back to you" and a week later he was formally rejected.

They literally Monty Pythoned you holy poo poo

Mushika
Dec 22, 2010

Screaming Idiot posted:

"Welcome to Beelzeburger's! What meaty delights shall we tempt you this on this day?"

"Yeah, I'll have a number two with cheese, no mayo."

"So you wish for a Thrice-Damned Beelzeburger, with three slabs of seasoned beef patty topped with extra-spicy jalapeno salsa, an order of Penitent Potato Poppers, and a Sinner's Chalice of soda! What, pray tell, shall your chalice hold?"

"Coke, please, no ice."

"Would you like to add to your sins for only thirty silver more?"

"Why the hell not? Give me the Greater Sinner's Burden, and could I have a couple of those fried apple pie things?"

"Very well, two Scalded Forbidden Fruit pies have been added to your demands. Anything else?"

"Could I get some extra ketchup with that?"

"Ketchup's extra."

"That's a bit unreasonable."

"You knew what you were getting into when you came to us. Pay at the first window, and accept your burden at the second. We are grateful for your gluttony, sinner."

I know I'm late and this was several pages back, but this is good stuff.

Kazak
Jan 10, 2012

ekuNNN posted:

death to landlords




I tried to take the test but they took down their website and Facebook
Quinovic property franchise social media campaign offends tenants



quote:

A brazen social media campaign by a franchise the property management company Quinovic has disgusted some tenants.

One advertisement features beer glasses with the caption, "Cheers to you! Are you financing your tenant's social life?". The other advertisement says "Your tenants may hate us. You will love us."

Both are captioned, "We're experts at maximising the return on your investment property."

Renters United spokesperson Kate Day said the advertisements implied if tenants had a social life, then landlords really should be charging more.

She said the second advert made a mockery of any thought that property management companies worked for tenants, as well as landlords.

"A lot of our members have expressed disgust about how this portrays tenants as a group that could be exploited for profit," Ms Day said.

"People who are renting make up roughly half of New Zealand's population and just like everybody they are people who have a right to a home, and I think that's really been overlooked by advertisements that make a mockery of the stress that rising rents put on tenants."

Quinovic's chief operating officer Paul Chapman said the advertisements were created by the Te Aro franchise, without the consent of national office.

He said he did not think the advertisements were a good look, particularly in the current environment.


Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Outrail posted:

No I said it's saving lives, and it's important they do that. But when I got into the industry 10 years ago it was fun to do my job. Now it's not and even if the changes were necessary they did take something away even if it was a necessary cost. I can do some Romanticism of the past without denying that the past was also pretty lovely.

Besides that, if the workers had their way they'd be barely trained using gently caress all safety gear. The companies instituted 90% of the changes because they realized getting sued millions of dollars wasn't worth it. Most of the training and protocols are implemented purely to make the loving idiots wear their fall restraint harnesses instead of running around 10m drops with no fall protection and to get numbskulls to wear a helmet around potential falling rocks. But now the blanket approach means I have to wear a hard hat in 45C degree (115F) weather when I'm several kilometers from anything more dangerous than a knee high bush.

Those lawsuits wouldn't even be possible without the legal framework developed due to pressure from labor, but eh I get what you're saying :shrug:

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Megillah Gorilla posted:

the standard "would you turn over a turtle" ones

Are you sure they weren't testing you to make sure you weren't a replicant :ohdear:

COMRADES
Apr 3, 2017

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Outrail posted:

Besides that, if the workers had their way they'd be barely trained using gently caress all safety gear. The companies instituted 90% of the changes because they realized getting sued millions of dollars wasn't worth it.

If workers owned the enterprise they would reach the same conclusion because money would be coming out of their pockets. Nice random dig against workers though.

:thumbsup:


quote:

No I said it's saving lives, and it's important they do that. But when I got into the industry 10 years ago it was fun to do my job. Now it's not and even if the changes were necessary they did take something away even if it was a necessary cost.

I dunno what to make of this really. OK? Dangerous things were fun to do and you can't do them anymore and that sucks even though that saves peoples' lives?

COMRADES has issued a correction as of 18:40 on Aug 14, 2018

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

COMRADES posted:

I dunno what to make of this really. OK? Dangerous things were fun to do and you can't do them anymore and that sucks even though that saves peoples' lives?

Yeah I'm pretty sure that's the gist of it, they personally used to have fun before safety was important and sorta miss that but acknowledge why it had to go away, which yeah sure I guess :shrug:

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
I've never met a construction/warehouse/medical/et al worker who grumbled about safety standards? If anything people really pride themselves on observing standards.

HazCat
May 4, 2009

It's all fun and games until you don't want to do a thing because it is obviously unsafe and then your boss yells at you because you and your coworkers regularly do it the unsafe way and so that has become an expectation, so you ignore your gut and do the unsafe thing one more time and next thing you know we're reading about your grisly death in the OSHA thread.

Renegret
May 26, 2007

THANK YOU FOR CALLING HELP DOG, INC.

YOUR POSITION IN THE QUEUE IS *pbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt*


Cat Army Sworn Enemy
this thread makes me sad

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Perry Mason Jar posted:

I've never met a construction/warehouse/medical/et al worker who grumbled about safety standards? If anything people really pride themselves on observing standards...

It depends a lot on the culture, like I know people who think that way but I also know some people who think safety regulations are silly and the way they do things is the best way and they'll never get hurt because they know what they're doing and people should take ~more personal responsibility~ and those annoying safety nazis should shut up because they just make the job harder since now I'm not allowed to operate on live wires anymore or w/e

feller
Jul 5, 2006


I used to get paid to do crazy dangerous things and it was fun! but now they only pay me if i act responsibly. i blame obummer and his socialisms

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

It's the same kind of people who complain about there being "too many stupid lawsuits" and how they'd never sue if they got hurt because they're ~responsible~ and that lady who got third-degree burns from the mcdonalds coffee should have known that coffee is hot!!!

Avalanche
Feb 2, 2007

ate all the Oreos posted:

It depends a lot on the culture, like I know people who think that way but I also know some people who think safety regulations are silly and the way they do things is the best way and they'll never get hurt because they know what they're doing and people should take ~more personal responsibility~ and those annoying safety nazis should shut up because they just make the job harder since now I'm not allowed to operate on live wires anymore or w/e

I heard from a friend at a company I recently applied to that I was turned down from the job because the hiring manager wasn't all too stoked on me going off about how safety is important for productivity and financial security long term.

3 days after my buddy told me my app was binned after the interview, someone did some dumb OSHA thing that caused a conveyor belt to catch fire. The machinery on the factory floor had to be replaced and the entire place was shut down for a couple days while that was happening and some hazmat crew was in trying to fix up all the minor fire damage.

:ussr:

Avalanche has issued a correction as of 19:33 on Aug 14, 2018

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Avalanche posted:

I heard from a friend at a company I recently applied to that I was turned down from the job because the hiring manager wasn't all too stoked on me going off about how safety is important for productivity and financial security long term.

3 days after my buddy told me my app was binned after the interview, someone did some dumb OSHA thing that caused a conveyor belt to catch fire. The machinery on the factory floor had to be replaced and the entire place was shut down for a couple days while that was happening and some hazmat crew was in trying to fix up all the minor fire damage.

So how's your friend enjoying working for Tesla?

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

ate all the Oreos posted:

It depends a lot on the culture, like I know people who think that way but I also know some people who think safety regulations are silly and the way they do things is the best way and they'll never get hurt because they know what they're doing and people should take ~more personal responsibility~ and those annoying safety nazis should shut up because they just make the job harder since now I'm not allowed to operate on live wires anymore or w/e

Maybe the deciding factor is union vs non-union, I think the union guys are the ones who go in for safety.

Former DILF
Jul 13, 2017

Renegret posted:

this thread makes me sad

Haha nice emotions loser

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
capitalism broke my dumbass brain and I spend two hundred bucks a month fixing it :capitalism:

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Former DILF posted:

Haha nice emotions loser

quit virtue signaling. Emotions are a Chinese hoax

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:

COMRADES posted:

If workers owned the enterprise they would reach the same conclusion because money would be coming out of their pockets. Nice random dig against workers though.

:thumbsup:


I dunno what to make of this really. OK? Dangerous things were fun to do and you can't do them anymore and that sucks even though that saves peoples' lives?

Well I'm one of those workers so I think I'm allowed to dig against them?

Yeah, dangerous things were fun to do. Did you not have a childhood? And it yes it's good we can't do that even though I miss doing some of that dumb poo poo.

Eg: You get older and stop getting drinking so much because it's obviously dumb, but you still had fun getting drunk.

My real issue is every training module has 'don't do this you loving idiot', followed by 'because an incident will slow production, cost us money.... also its dangerous'. Safety is secondary to profit, and improvements are transparently made solely because of a profit incentive. They're very unwilling to make accommodations to alieviate the burden of improving safety if it's there's an iota of effort on their end.

Eg: I've had times where we were on the verge of heatstroke but still had to wear full thickness PPE, sleeves down and flull length snake gaiters because someone saw a snake once. Never mind that after 10+ years I've never known anyone to get bitten, and the consequences of a bite are at worst a day in hospital if you have the right training but I do know people who've collapsed from dehydration and the heat.

Kazak
Jan 10, 2012

ate all the Oreos posted:

It's the same kind of people who complain about there being "too many stupid lawsuits" and how they'd never sue if they got hurt because they're ~responsible~ and that lady who got third-degree burns from the mcdonalds coffee should have known that coffee is hot!!!

Who cares about those people? Leave them in the past. Kill them if you have to.

Kazak
Jan 10, 2012

Post images you fuckin parasites

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:

Kazak posted:

Post images you fuckin parasites

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Workplace safety is so important because management, too, plays an important role

HugeGrossBurrito
Mar 20, 2018

Fried Watermelon
Dec 29, 2008


Whenever I worked retail I always refused to do anything if it wasn't safe or there was a possibility that I'd get hurt

How stupid do you have to be to actually want to do dangerous work instead of not doing it and getting paid exactly the same? It was just a bonus that it pissed off management because they couldn't fire me for refusing to do unsafe work.

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HazCat
May 4, 2009

Outrail posted:

Eg: I've had times where we were on the verge of heatstroke but still had to wear full thickness PPE, sleeves down and flull length snake gaiters because someone saw a snake once. Never mind that after 10+ years I've never known anyone to get bitten, and the consequences of a bite are at worst a day in hospital if you have the right training but I do know people who've collapsed from dehydration and the heat.

Maybe you should try to have your workplace rules made more safe instead of talking about how much you's prefer to be able to work dangerously (even though your example is literally a case of your workplace forcing you to work dangerously)?

Also lol that you are angry that safety rules are 'transparently about profit' literally everything your company does is transparently about profit, the only choice is between them being incentivised to push you to work dangerously or them being incentivised to push you to work safely.

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