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euphronius posted:Do not call the cops if the person is a visible minority. Lmao
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What about invisible minorities? They can be pretty dangerous
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Aug 14, 2018 13:15
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It’s a Canadian term which I think works well in this context.
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Aug 14, 2018 13:18
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euphronius posted:It’s a Canadian term which I think works well in this context. What level of crime does a visible minority need to commit before you should call the police? Assault isn't enough apparently?
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Aug 14, 2018 13:46
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Assault is usually a misdemeanor so I mean consider the potential consequences for the person of color I guess before you dial 911.
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Aug 14, 2018 13:54
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nm posted:Public defender tip: From other side of the aisle. Yes. Agree. You can always tell the prosecutor you’d rather let the matter drop and usually they will defer to the “victim.” But having the police report helps you if he decides to keep loving with you. However... weeks after the fact? For a minor scuffle? From a civil side looks like you’re just making a paper trail or being petty. which could be seen negatively. euphronius posted:Assault is usually a misdemeanor so I mean consider the potential consequences for the person of color I guess before you dial 911. Just stop.
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Aug 14, 2018 14:15
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gently caress the police, and that's legal advice
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Aug 14, 2018 14:19
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daslog posted:Right, no one has sued anyone yet. Threatening letters don't really scare us into writing checks easily. My next step is to send a certified letter to the collection agency stating that I dispute there claim and ask them to send me copies of the documentation that show that my wife owes money. I want to get a feel for how much they know and how invested they are in pursuing the claim. If I start immediately with a letter from the lawyer they may decide to just take us right to court. A brief update on what's been happening. Nothing! After I sent the second certified letter, we have received no further communications from Allied. I have a copy of the original insurance claim, and it's now been over 3 years since the date the supposed loss was discovered. Unless google is wrong (which I would love for a lawyer to tell me), New Hampshire has a 3 year statue of limitations.
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Aug 14, 2018 14:45
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:gently caress the police, and that's legal advice Do you have any resources for responsible vigilantism?
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Aug 14, 2018 14:53
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YouTube. Search Term: “Free Man of the Land”. Or “how to not create joinder”
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Aug 14, 2018 14:59
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It's Freeman On the Land, if you don't use the correct incantation the admiralty magic won't work.
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Aug 14, 2018 17:39
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSFszIwP9yo This man is my favorite. He employs the foolproof approach of commandeering the courtroom, and as a non-lawyer I highly endorse this method. quote:Those men were charged by me right back by staging an overthrow of the constitution of 1789 and the overthrow of the bill of rights and overthrow of my rights to forage for food as a natural living person who was in hunger. I was searching for something to put in my stomach as I am recognized to be allowed to do by universal law
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Aug 14, 2018 17:52
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Devor posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSFszIwP9yo That method only works in courtrooms the size of closets, where "hearing officers" preside over whatever preliminary nonsense was at stake in that video. Try to commandeer or walk out of a real-life Federal admiralty courtroom and see how long you end up in a cell. But yeah that guy is pretty great. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCoUCI0eSKI
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Aug 14, 2018 18:15
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Phil Moscowitz posted:That method only works in courtrooms the size of closets, where "hearing officers" preside over whatever preliminary nonsense was at stake in that video. This One Weird TrickTM for exposing the corrupt system with positive law - they cannot restrain a man over whom they have no jurisdiction!* *Serves 43 days for Assault, Contempt of Court, and Driving with an Invalid License, talks about taking a plea deal for the other charges.
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Aug 14, 2018 19:56
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euphronius posted:Assault is usually a misdemeanor so I mean consider the potential consequences for the person of color I guess before you dial 911. Sounds like calling the cops would be even more effective in that case.
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Aug 14, 2018 20:27
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i don't even understand the whole sovereign citizen poo poo. even if you pretend you're not a citizen of the us or whatever, what the gently caress does that matter? as far as I know, visitors to foreign countries aren't allowed to become criminal masterminds just because they aren't citizens.
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Aug 14, 2018 23:17
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A 50S RAYGUN posted:i don't even understand the whole sovereign citizen poo poo. even if you pretend you're not a citizen of the us or whatever, what the gently caress does that matter? as far as I know, visitors to foreign countries aren't allowed to become criminal masterminds just because they aren't citizens. When I was born I did NOT consent to follow the laws of man If you go to another country it's the same as where you were born, it's not just their country it's every country There have to be sovcit expats right??
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Aug 14, 2018 23:28
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It’s crazy but it’s also deeply imbedded in white supremacist terrorist culture. Sov Cits have been conducting terrorist activities for decades now. They don’t get lots of national attention. You can guess why.
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Aug 14, 2018 23:35
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i think i saw a video of a cop getting gunned down by some sovcit guys over a traffic stop, he was just loving wailing. it was honestly really horrific. there definitely seems to be a lot of legitimately mentally ill people, but it wouldn't surprise me either to learn it's also a bunch of white power degenerates, either.
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Aug 14, 2018 23:45
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Wikipedias article is actually pretty well researched https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_citizen_movement
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Aug 14, 2018 23:47
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homullus posted:Better Call Gaul Yessssss
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Yea ok I get it
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Aug 15, 2018 00:42
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A 50S RAYGUN posted:i don't even understand the whole sovereign citizen poo poo. even if you pretend you're not a citizen of the us or whatever, what the gently caress does that matter? as far as I know, visitors to foreign countries aren't allowed to become criminal masterminds just because they aren't citizens. The key thing to understand about the sovcit perspective is that the sovcit (who is often incredibly ignorant of how legal anything works) is desperate to believe a) there is a way out of their situation, and b) that they are not a bad person. They are able to rationalize and accept anything to be able to maintain that belief. Their first exposure to the complexity and imperfection and sheer inhumanity of the legal system is when they are already too late to reverse course, when they are already indicted or under order or indebted. In that period, in the grips of gut -crushing fear and self-doubt, as they are placed into some part of the legal system... ...a door opens, and they are free. Everything makes sense, they are good people, and there is a way out for them. It has to be real. It has to work. It has to work. There is nothing else, no other option. It becomes foundational to their personality and their identity, an assumption that lets them carry on functioning. Related patterns explain why prison populations are hotbeds of anti-government conspiracy theories, and just the formentation of conspiracy theories in general. FUD magick. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Aug 15, 2018 |
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Aug 15, 2018 01:05
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A 50S RAYGUN posted:i don't even understand the whole sovereign citizen poo poo. even if you pretend you're not a citizen of the us or whatever, what the gently caress does that matter? as far as I know, visitors to foreign countries aren't allowed to become criminal masterminds just because they aren't citizens. Imagine that the notion of law is just a vague idea that seems to unfairly interact with the worst parts of your life. You're deeply suspicious of the government. You might listen to Alex Jones. Lawyers, which are mostly characters you see on TV, basically appear to be some sort of sorcerer wielding arcane, reality-altering magicks by invoking mysterious words of power--usually to take stuff from you! You decide that enough is enough. There has to be a way to fight back against these power-hungry madmen. But you aren't sophisticated enough to get a real handle on what's going on; legal codes, court cases, and governance appear to be an enormous, incoherent mishmash of arbitrary ideas (this much is basically true) that you cannot hope to navigate. Fortunately, someone has been here before. The sovereign citizen movement is here to help. They cut through the bullshit and provide simple answers to your complex questions. Unfortunately, those answers happen to be insane, but the simplicity is oh so appealing, and their rhetoric meshes well with your paranoid worldview. Traditionally, this special help came in the form of pamphlets and word of mouth (such pamphlets are prized possessions in the legal community), but recently the internet has made it easier than ever to convey these very important, very simple strategies for fighting back.
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It appears they become white Christian supremacists first and then adopt sov cit garbage as part of that lifestyle but you also may be right. It might be a chicken or the egg thing. euphronius fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Aug 15, 2018 |
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Aug 15, 2018 01:32
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Vox Nihili posted:Imagine that the notion of law is just a vague idea that seems to unfairly interact with the worst parts of your life. You're deeply suspicious of the government. You might listen to Alex Jones. Lawyers, which are mostly characters you see on TV, basically appear to be some sort of sorcerer wielding arcane, reality-altering magicks by invoking mysterious words of power--usually to take stuff from you! You decide that enough is enough. There has to be a way to fight back against these power-hungry madmen. But you aren't sophisticated enough to get a real handle on what's going on; legal codes, court cases, and governance appear to be an enormous, incoherent mishmash of arbitrary ideas (this much is basically true) that you cannot hope to navigate. Fortunately, someone has been here before. The sovereign citizen movement is here to help. They cut through the bullshit and provide simple answers to your complex questions. Unfortunately, those answers happen to be insane, but the simplicity is oh so appealing, and their rhetoric meshes well with your paranoid worldview. This is the core of the engine that drives it, but it started with a variety of "Learn the Legal Secrets to avoid paying income tax and have all your dreams come true! All explained in this convenient pamphlet for only $29.99!!" type scams that took off and got turbocharged / went self-perpetuating viral when the Internet hit.
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A 50S RAYGUN posted:i don't even understand the whole sovereign citizen poo poo. even if you pretend you're not a citizen of the us or whatever, what the gently caress does that matter? as far as I know, visitors to foreign countries aren't allowed to become criminal masterminds just because they aren't citizens. A big part of problem is that most people, yourself included, don't even understand the freeman's ideology. The ABA is an extremely powerful, protectionist organization, and they're out there running NONSTOP interference trying to make freemen who attempt to take the law into their own hands look bad. Look at these f*cking hitpieces run by an allegedly "neutral" organization: http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/sovereign_citizens_plaster_courts_with_bogus_legal_filings/ http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/former_subway_pitchman_tries_sovereign_citizen_approach http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/jury_convicts_sovereign_citizen_of_filing_false_liens_against_federal_judge http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/helpless_sap_gets_10_years_for_bogus_liens_on_federal_judge_and_prosecutor http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/posner_informs_pro_se_litigant_that_the_queen_of_england_did_not_absolve_hi Look at the PEJORATIVE, needless language the ABA journal throws around. A freeman isn't just wrong in the eyes of the ABA, he's "HAPLESS." A pro se litigant isn't just wrong in the eyes of the ABA, he's "UNINTELLIGIBLE." These aren't the words of a neutral authority -- they're the words of a guild trying to prevent the free market (the PUBLIC in this case) from competing fairly with guild members. Almost everything you know -- or "think" you know -- about the freeman movement comes from drivel you're fed by the ABA and its stooges (aka the 10.3 million lawyers currently infesting the united states). Do a little research sometime on non-ABA associated sites and you might understand the ideology a little better.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:This is the core of the engine that drives it, but it started with a variety of "Learn the Legal Secrets to avoid paying income tax and have all your dreams come true! All explained in this convenient pamphlet for only $29.99!!" type scams that took off and got turbocharged / went self-perpetuating viral when the Internet hit. This. It’s an offshoot if the idiots running around saying “there actually isn’t any law that says you have to pay income tax!” when the law that says you have to pay income tax is §1 of the internal revenue code.
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Soothing Vapors posted:A big part of problem is that most people, yourself included, don't even understand the freeman's ideology. The ABA is an extremely powerful, protectionist organization, and they're out there running NONSTOP interference trying to make freemen who attempt to take the law into their own hands look bad. Look at these f*cking hitpieces run by an allegedly "neutral" organization: Which Freeman guide teaches about shooting cops. I want to avoid that one in case it puts me on a watchlist
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Aug 15, 2018 01:56
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Devor posted:Which Freeman guide teaches about shooting cops. I want to avoid that one in case it puts me on a watchlist "I'm not threatening you, officer. I'm just exercising my rights under UCC 2-206 by offering to ship conforming goods of bullets your way at high velocity and hoping you accept them!"
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Soothing Vapors posted:A big part of problem is that most people, yourself included, don't even understand the freeman's ideology. The ABA is an extremely powerful, protectionist organization, and they're out there running NONSTOP interference trying to make freemen who attempt to take the law into their own hands look bad. Look at these f*cking hitpieces run by an allegedly "neutral" organization: Is this a joke? Did I get whooshed?
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GamingHyena posted:"I'm not threatening you, officer. I'm just exercising my rights under UCC 2-206 by offering to ship conforming goods of bullets your way at high velocity and hoping you accept them!" Lmao
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VanSandman posted:Is this a joke? Did I get whooshed? Soothing Vapors is always serious.
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Soothing Vapors posted:A big part of problem is that most people, yourself included, don't even understand the freeman's ideology. The ABA is an extremely powerful, protectionist organization, and they're out there running NONSTOP interference trying to make freemen who attempt to take the law into their own hands look bad. Look at these f*cking hitpieces run by an allegedly "neutral" organization: Needs more words randomly capitalized.
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quote:Lawyers . . . are . . . sorcerer[s] wielding arcane, reality-altering magicks by invoking mysterious words of power--usually to take stuff from you! Soothing Vapors posted:A big part of problem is that most people, yourself included, don't even understand the freeman's ideology. The ABA is an extremely powerful, protectionist organization, and they're out there running NONSTOP interference trying to make freemen who attempt to take the law into their own hands look bad. Look at these f*cking hitpieces run by an allegedly "neutral" organization: One of these is concerns posner, who pretends to be a friend of the humble and majestic pro se, but is really a spy for the guild ready to pounce on those who learn the inner secrets. Beware!
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VanSandman posted:Is this a joke? Did I get whooshed? Soothing Vapors is Robert Mueller.
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If you want to know real lawyer secrets, then check this out, they don't want you to know about it
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Soothing Vapors posted:A big part of problem is that most people, yourself included, don't even understand the freeman's ideology. The ABA is an extremely powerful, protectionist organization, and they're out there running NONSTOP interference trying to make freemen who attempt to take the law into their own hands look bad. Look at these f*cking hitpieces run by an allegedly "neutral" organization: Huh, TIL. Delta awarded.
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Fender posted:I was wearing sandals and was flat footed and barely made contact. Mods? Thread title. Is that too long? Also.....I have the right to forage for food when I am hungry. Hoshi posted:When I was born I did NOT consent to follow the laws of man And this is my attorney of record: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmZiqwRnwtM
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Motronic posted:And this is my attorney of record: drat, I don't think I can afford that dude
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