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I'm sure you can find things that are 'unrealistic' if you watch any good action scene frame by frame. Who cares.
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Wrong There are some minor hesitations and artificially slow movements in a few of the action scenes. They're few and far between, and don't diminish my enjoyment of the films even a tiny bit, but they're there. Papercut posted:The Darth Maul battle was done almost 20 years ago and I can still watch it without seeing anything that feels ridiculous. That's a good example of what I'm talking about because Maul is the one time in Star Wars where they were able to cast a guy exclusively for his athletic ability and movie-fight experience. Not only that, but he was working with Liam Neeson, an actor who had famously been a part of one of the best film sword fights ever made. Basebf555 fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Aug 15, 2018 |
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Aug 15, 2018 18:45
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Basebf555 posted:Unless you're going to cast based on athletic ability and fight choreography experience, it's mostly impossible to get scenes that are on the level you're talking about. There's no amount of training or practice that someone like Daisy Ridley or Adam Driver can do in the time available that would allow them to perform the kind of choreography that would be considered top of the line today. In any case, you can't turn Adam Driver into Jet Li in a matter of months, but you should be shooting around it to the utmost and avoiding the mistakes SMG pointed out. Of course, a lot of these blockbusters are on tight schedules, which is how you make a $200 million film that isn't shot all that well.
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Aug 15, 2018 18:50
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PostNouveau posted:^^^Ditto Action scenes are narratives. In Enter the Dragon, the enemies jump in from offscreen one at a time and are swiftly knocked down, vanishing from the screen. This is not an accident. This communicates that Lee is absolutely focused on each individual move. He is not in any way overwhelmed. When Lee snaps a guy's neck, we have a close-up on Lee's face with a sound effect. When Lee faces off against a dozen guys at once, the background is not a huge crowd but a rock wall. In the rare instances where there is more than one enemy onscreen, or Lee has his back exposed, this communicates glimmers of vulnerability. It means guys are getting into his space. The film is very consistent with how it uses close-ups and framing to put all emphasis on Lee, zooming in when necessary.  Above: Rey fights four dudes armed with sticks, simultaneously. Below: Bruce Lee fights four dudes armed with sticks, simultaneously. It's not like there was some technical limitation that prevented them from showing six guys onscreen at once in 1973. That's nonsense. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Aug 15, 2018 |
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Aug 15, 2018 18:51
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Halloween Jack posted:Real talk, are all of these people better actors than Scott Adkins? Well, Driver certainly is. Jury is still out on the rest. But I do agree with you that someone should give Adkins a legit shot at starring in a big budget action movie with real studio resources behind it, I think he could totally handle it after having seen Accident Man.
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I do think George Lucas ultimately had the right idea about Star Wars fans.
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For the people dissing on Enter The Dragon, here's the actual scene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5-cEDaonYM Like, actually watch and pay attention to how deliberately it's constructed so that the performers do not appear onscreen unless absolutely necessary. This isn't a 'realism' thing. It's a storytelling thing.
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Aug 15, 2018 19:00
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It's true that Bruce Lee's whole martial arts philosophy was about quick but decisive individual blows that were meant to be powerful enough to end fights immediately. So it makes sense to me that the fight scenes in his movies would reflect that, the cinematography emphasizes that he controls the flow of the fight and moves decisively to take guys out when the opportunity presents itself.
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Aug 15, 2018 19:05
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I'm sure you can find things that are 'unrealistic' if you watch any good action scene frame by frame. Who cares. It's not frame by frame, watch the scene, it's very apparent in realtime. https://j.gifs.com/KZDQxr.gif Sword guy on the left literally just turns his back on Rey and walks out of frame, lol.
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Aug 15, 2018 19:08
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SMG would you please grade my
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It's not like there was some technical limitation that prevented them from showing six guys onscreen at once in 1973. That's nonsense.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:You'd think the Sith henchmen would be used to apprentices killing their masters. They know what the deal is. Snoke and Kylo Ren are not Sith That teaching died with Palpatine Give it time though, we'll have some Knight of Ren survive Episode IX and revive the Sith Order to fight the New New Jedi Order
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Vinylshadow posted:Snoke and Kylo Ren are not Sith Knights of Ren are Sith, they just changed the name.
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Aug 15, 2018 19:21
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They're the students who went with Kylo when he burned down Luke's Jedi Hogwarts. They're fanboys of the ultimate fanboy so they must have been some pretty sad dudes.
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Basebf555 posted:Knights of Ren are Sith, they just changed the name. Well, they were originally called the Knights of Tatooine until
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Kylo refers to Snoke as sith. I think it’s a fair inference that he’s sith as well.
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      Those would make some pretty dope avatars euphronius posted:Kylo refers to Snoke as sith. I think it’s a fair inference that he’s sith as well. Poked through transcripts of the Sequel Trilogy, and there's only ever two mentions of the Sith - once by Maz in TFA and once by Kylo Ren in TLJ, but he's not referring to Snoke when he says it Kylo Ren is also simply listed as a Dark Side Apprentice under Snoke, nothing about being a Sith
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He’s explicitly referring to Snoke as sith.
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Halloween Jack posted:Having several people pretend to attack one guy, who pretends to fight them all off, all onscreen at one time, and making this look plausible, and not getting hurt, is actually pretty hard. Well they had the ability to do that back in 1973 too. Here's how storytelling works.  The story is that Lee stole the nunchucks from the guy in blue. The guy in blue stands there hurt and afraid, while Lee shows off his skills, trying to dissuade him from attacking. But the guy in blue picks up a piece of wood and charges at Lee. Narratively, this is a one-on-one conflict - but then Lee instantly knocks out the guy in blue and the cut simultaneously reveals the guy in beige approaching in the background. The beige guy is an extension of the blue guy; blue guy's idea was obviously to keep Lee engaged while the beige guy approaches. That's what emboldened him to attack Lee, even after being disarmed and injured. We then get the second blue guy, who acts as a repetition of the first blue guy. The second blue guy is, for all intents and purposes, the same character minus the injury. So although the first blue guy was literally knocked out, he persists in the story - even emboldened - still trying to keep Lee distracted. Finally, it's revealed that Lee either detected the beige guy's footsteps, or simply understood what the blue guy's plan was all along. The beige guy is knocked into the convenient spiked pit and this brief story ends with a close-up of the pit, as its water settles after the splash. From the time the blue guy decides to attack Lee, the action is over in about 4 seconds. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Aug 15, 2018 |
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Lots of movies don't do action as well as "Enter the Dragon". There's a reason you're talking about that instead of "Fists of Fury" or "Chinese Connection".
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Aug 15, 2018 20:19
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I enjoyed both Enter the Dragon and The Last Jedi.
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PostNouveau posted:Lots of movies don't do action as well as "Enter the Dragon". There's a reason you're talking about that instead of "Fists of Fury" or "Chinese Connection".
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Aug 15, 2018 20:27
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^^^I said Bruce Lee movies often had dudes standing around, not "Enter the Dragon" specificallyRBA Starblade posted:I enjoyed both Enter the Dragon and The Last Jedi. How is such a thing possible? *posts 800 single-frame screenshots* Can't you see the huge quality gulf?
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Aug 15, 2018 20:28
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As someone who watches films exclusively through Powerpoint I really appreciate this analysis.
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PostNouveau posted:^^^I said Bruce Lee movies often had dudes standing around, not "Enter the Dragon" specifically Halloween Jack posted:To be fair, choreography has come a long with since Bruce Lee. Even Enter the Dragon has him kicking a lot of guys who are offscreen.
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RBA Starblade posted:I enjoyed both Enter the Dragon and The Last Jedi. I don't think you're allowed to do that, not least because the Story Group hasn't said definitively whether Enter the Dragon is canon or not.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I don't think you're allowed to do that, not least because the Story Group hasn't said definitively whether Enter the Dragon is canon or not. IIRC, there was a comic where Han Solo met Indiana Jones, so I'm pretty sure Enter the Dragon is at least Legends canon
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Wheat Loaf posted:I don't think you're allowed to do that, not least because the Story Group hasn't said definitively whether Enter the Dragon is canon or not. Hmm, there's the possibility that it is, because of the Kryat Dragons of Jakku. Could it be referring to that?
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PostNouveau posted:IIRC, there was a comic where Han Solo met Indiana Jones, so I'm pretty sure Enter the Dragon is at least Legends canon I didn't even realise Indiana Jones crossed over with Enter the Dragon.
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We’re getting the whole volley of reactions, from ‘it’s not Shakespeare’ to ‘I just like it’ to a wholesale rejection of the concept of pausing - as if you take a picture from the film you lose its essence or something. As usual, nobody is willing or able to simply show that the action is good. The reaction is, like, “we don’t talk about that.”
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:We’re getting the whole volley of reactions, from ‘it’s not Shakespeare’ to ‘I just like it’ to a wholesale rejection of the concept of pausing - as if you take a picture from the film you lose its essence or something. My reaction is that I enjoy both films and their fights despite the lower quality of one. You have to be careful.
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Aug 15, 2018 21:03
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RBA Starblade posted:My reaction is that I enjoy both films and their fights. I accept, not reject. You have to be careful. So, you ‘just like it.’
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Aug 15, 2018 21:04
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:So, you ‘just like it.’ Yes. Everyone, I am not afraid to admit it. I just like Enter the Dragon. It's a good film.
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Aug 15, 2018 21:06
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The Chinese Connection is an awesome film though 
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Well they had the ability to do that back in 1973 too.
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The red guys are a bunch of chumps compared to the Axe Gang
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If “just liking” something is some kind of burn in CDspeak then this place is completely the worst.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:'it’s not Shakespeare’ A-hem 
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CelticPredator posted:If “just liking” something is some kind of burn in CDspeak then this place is completely the worst. The problem is people using "I just like it" as a way to shut down actual discussion of choreography, cinematography etc.
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sassassin posted:The problem is people using "I just like it" as a way to shut down actual discussion of choreography, cinematography etc. I sure hope no one thought I was doing that.
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