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Teslas are cars for people with more money than sense. I will admit that they have a lot of zip, which is why a bunch of rich kids ended up wrapped around a tree here a few months back.
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Luxury cars don't have to make sense because people aren't buying them as reliable transportation. Owning a Tesla is telling the world you can afford this car despite everything wrong with it. But yes, they do take impracticality to new and interesting heights.
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Aug 15, 2018 15:08
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chitoryu12 posted:Or have a self-driving mode that lurches into a wall for no reason and kills [tesla owners]. Feature, not bug.
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Aug 15, 2018 15:38
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Tempos became a family joke because the one my parents had as a child might well have been possessed. They bought it new. I think it was a 1988 model and it replaced their lime green Ford Escort. The first issue with the car was that the lights sometimes refused to turn off. The car was parked, the lights were switched off. The car was checked before leaving it. The lights came back on. The transmission blew up twice, I think within 18 months of purchasing it. The fan belt went, too. They finally offloaded it for a Taurus that held up well. There was one good thing about the car. Ford used to include a demo cassette to show off the speakers' capabilities. It was a pretty good selection of songs and they continued to hold on to it after the car was dumped.
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Aug 15, 2018 16:58
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RC and Moon Pie posted:There was one good thing about the car. Ford used to include a demo cassette to show off the speakers' capabilities. It was a pretty good selection of songs and they continued to hold on to it after the car was dumped. Those songs are exactly what I would expect. Mid eighties corporate perfection! 
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Aug 15, 2018 17:01
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Krispy Wafer posted:Luxury cars don't have to make sense because people aren't buying them as reliable transportation. Owning a Tesla is telling the world you can afford this car despite everything wrong with it. But yes, they do take impracticality to new and interesting heights. I buy worn out old luxury cars as reliable transportation, because it gives me a real sense of superiority over those in leased Fords and VWs. It's irrelevant that those people go fun places in their cars while I spend the weekend trying to figure out why an inordinately complex climate control system has jammed on full heat in August. Horace has a new favorite as of 21:37 on Aug 15, 2018 |
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Aug 15, 2018 21:15
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Horace posted:I buy worn out old luxury cars as reliable transportation, because it gives me a real sense of superiority over those in leased Fords and VWs. It's irrelevant that those people go fun places in their cars while I spend the weekend trying to figure out why an inordinately complex climate control system has jammed on full heat in August. German car?
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Aug 15, 2018 22:59
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:German car? Yes. W124. The heater jammed on in Perugia, Italy. In summer. I replaced it with an old Jag which also jammed the heat on full. It was autumn, so that wouldn't have been so bad, except for the dead blower motor meaning it was still impossible to demist. Also the heater just ignored you when you asked for air to the dashboard vents so there was pretty much no ventilation in that car at all.
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Aug 15, 2018 23:50
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Horace posted:Yes. W124. The heater jammed on in Perugia, Italy. In summer. Horace posted:I replaced it with an old Jag GRINDCORE MEGGIDO has a new favorite as of 23:59 on Aug 15, 2018 |
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Aug 15, 2018 23:56
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Old luxury cars? I have a 2004 Kia Amanti. When I get a newer daily driver to replace it, I'm entering it in LeMons, blasting "Gangnam Style" on loop. It's so lovely they have special relaxed rules for it.
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Aug 16, 2018 00:54
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Horace posted:I buy worn out old luxury cars as reliable transportation, because it gives me a real sense of superiority over those in leased Fords and VWs. It's irrelevant that those people go fun places in their cars while I spend the weekend trying to figure out why an inordinately complex climate control system has jammed on full heat in August. I've decided against all common sense to purchase a circa 1970's or 80's Mercedes SL convertible within the next 2 years even though I know it's stupid. I may only have it a short while before I try to unload it on someone else, but I will have it. And yes, the 1980's version I think have mechanical thermostats for its climate control.
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Aug 16, 2018 01:18
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:Cool car. You're an automotive masochist, I respect that. Is it an inline 6? Yeah, the four litre. Beautiful engine. Krispy Wafer posted:I've decided against all common sense to purchase a circa 1970's or 80's Mercedes SL convertible within the next 2 years even though I know it's stupid. I may only have it a short while before I try to unload it on someone else, but I will have it. Do it man. Life's too short for sensible cars.
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Aug 16, 2018 01:43
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Horace posted:Yeah, the four litre. Beautiful engine. I legit drive slow by the local German car repair shop and day dream about the day when my car will become a regular there.
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Aug 16, 2018 01:54
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Horace posted:Yeah, the four litre. Beautiful engine. My first car was a 1987 Chevy Celebrity. Came in "runny poo" brown, with a slightly darker brown bench interior. I put a 1200 Watt Rockford Fosgate amp in it, to drive a pair of 12" subs. Ran a smaller multichannel amp for the 6x9s and tweeters. Had one of those ridiculous CD players with a removeable faceplate and 900 loving lights and options. If I turned it up past like, 12 (of 50) my headlights would dim in time with the beat. Is that still a thing, auto stereos? Like with bluetooth and streaming is there still a need for that poo poo? I guess like, teenagers. We used to call the stickers that came with audio equipment "Steal Me" stickers.
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Aug 16, 2018 01:54
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Antioch posted:My first car was a 1987 Chevy Celebrity. Came in "runny poo" brown, with a slightly darker brown bench interior.   (not ours, but one very much like it)
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Aug 16, 2018 02:28
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Runny poo brown wasn't such a bad color, that was the color of my dad's camry
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Considering car colors these days are incredibly boring, poo brown is at least easy to find in a parking lot. Speaking of VW Rabbits, about a month ago I passed a bunch of teenagers in a VW Cabriolet and had an intense flashback to my own high school years. The fact it was broken down in a turn lane just made those memories that much more real.
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Aug 16, 2018 03:30
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chitoryu12 posted:Jags, Land Rovers, and BMWs won't lock you out of your car overnight because the firmware update failed, or block used cars from being rebuilt and fueled. Sale was 40k, work was 60k? And now he's thinking of shelling out a minimum 20k for litigation? JUST BUY A USED TESLA FROM THE COMPANY ALREADY.
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Aug 16, 2018 03:43
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Isn't there still a big market for old farming tractors and the like because new ones are extremely expensive and they have all sorts of service contracts and propriety hardware in them that requires authorized folks to set up?
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Aug 16, 2018 03:51
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Yes. John Deere really doesn't want owners loving around with their machines. Some farmers go old skool and some turn into mad hax0rs. Tractor Hacking
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Aug 16, 2018 04:00
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JediTalentAgent posted:Isn't there still a big market for old farming tractors and the like because new ones are extremely expensive and they have all sorts of service contracts and propriety hardware in them that requires authorized folks to set up?
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JediTalentAgent posted:Isn't there still a big market for old farming tractors and the like because new ones are extremely expensive and they have all sorts of service contracts and propriety hardware in them that requires authorized folks to set up? Old farm equipment never dies, it just gets parked until the newer machine breaks. I've helped my dad fire up 40 year old loaders and trucks that had sat for 2-3 years because that was the week where the new loader and the old loader both broke down, and the only thing available was this thing from the 60s... no front windscreen but it's got a working engine.
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Aug 16, 2018 04:02
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Pham Nuwen posted:Old farm equipment never dies, it just gets parked until the newer machine breaks. I've helped my dad fire up 40 year old loaders and trucks that had sat for 2-3 years because that was the week where the new loader and the old loader both broke down, and the only thing available was this thing from the 60s... no front windscreen but it's got a working engine. Older machines are generally also mechanically simpler so it makes them easier to repair and get running again. Today's attitude of "let's cram as much electronic bullshit as possible then prevent the end user from working on it" is pretty seriously bullshit. Some stuff doesn't need electronics and drat it, I should be able to work on my own drat tractor if I have one and want to.
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Aug 16, 2018 04:36
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Older machines are generally also mechanically simpler so it makes them easier to repair and get running again. Today's attitude of "let's cram as much electronic bullshit as possible then prevent the end user from working on it" is pretty seriously bullshit. Some stuff doesn't need electronics and drat it, I should be able to work on my own drat tractor if I have one and want to. Yeah like with an old diesel it sorta feels like given enough ether it WILL start eventually.
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In the future each separate system of a machine will be ridiculously complex and overengineered and require proprietary technology to tinker with that can only be operated by a specifically certified individual and to get even the most basic work done on your car you will have to travel around like you're assembling a crew in a heist movie dragging people out of bars and their kid's dance recitals threatening them and begging them and convincing them to do "one last job".
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Antioch posted:My first car was a 1987 Chevy Celebrity. Came in "runny poo" brown, with a slightly darker brown bench interior. My second car was an '86 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme. Those were basically the upmarket version of a Celebrity. The middle of the range version being the Pontiac 6000. They were all pretty much poo poo but they were unkillable poo poo. Mine had the Quad4 engine. A gutless wonder that chugged right on up to 250k before I finally sold the thing. God only knows how long it ran after that. Might still be chugging away somewhere. But yeah, systems. I knew a guy that was an ace at stealing stereo poo poo. He would just steal the car, strip whatever he wanted out of it and then ditch it somewhere. He had a garage full of all sorts of car stereo gear. I got to pick through the dregs. That dumb Cutlass had a mess of a system but it was LOUD. If I remember correctly I had three amps. A soundstream and a Kenwood powering 4 subs. A Pioneer and a Kicker 12" in one box and an Orion and Kicker 10" in another box. Another Rockford 4 channel amp on the front and rear speakers. The crown jewel was one of those Kenwood head units with the motorized faceplate that flipped around when you started the car. It hit hard enough to rattle the trunk latch loose. I think most people who decide to upgrade the sound in newer cars don't go much further than adding an amp and a sub. I'm still kinda into that poo poo so I went a little further in my car. I still have the stock radio but I replaced all the door speakers and added a small amp and sub. Put a ton of sound deadener in when I had everything apart too. A weekend of work and I think it sounds better than anything you can get from the factory.
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god I really miss having an irresponsibly loud system in my '92 Grand Am in high school. Head unit was a cool looking silver-with-blue-LCD-screen Blaupunkt that had MP3-cd support and a dedicated sub-out to my... whatever that amp was, and two 12" Rockford Fosgate Punch subs in a box decorated with hideous blue carpet. The Bose system in the CX-5 is certainly more... balanced, but it's a lot less fun. A friend of mine was obsessed with Eclipse gear, he had a pile of it in his bedroom. I don't know if he ever installed it all, but I remember at one point he had an Eclipse head unit that looked really cool and did the tilting thing with the faceplate.
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Code Jockey posted:god I really miss having an irresponsibly loud system in my '92 Grand Am in high school. Head unit was a cool looking silver-with-blue-LCD-screen Blaupunkt that had MP3-cd support and a dedicated sub-out to my... whatever that amp was, and two 12" Rockford Fosgate Punch subs in a box decorated with hideous blue carpet. Stock stereos really are pretty decent these days. My car wasn't terrible or anything but a few hundred bucks and a little bit of work really made a difference. It doesn't pound till your eyes go blurry like my old shitheap. It just sounds really loud and good. You could get some of that fun bass action back without even touching any of the existing stuff. Just run the wires for an amp and a line level output, throw a little sub in the hatch and enjoy the beat. Eclipse stuff was great. I had some 6 1/2 Eclipse in that Cutlass. They didn't have the full revolving faceplate though. It was detachable and it would tilt down to show the CD slot. Kenwood had the real deal ... https://youtu.be/W1LsEJPNCvE I had that exact one. The insanely complicated mechanism died eventually of course. I got a Sony XPLOD MP3 deck after that. It was hideous with all the flashing lights and poo poo. Going from a 10 CD changer to an MP3 deck was awesome though. Especially in those early Napster days.
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FilthyImp posted:Uh... so i can get that he wanted to take advantage of local laws, buy a wreck and turn it into a project car but... I think you're missing the point, which is Tesla trying to maintain too much control over their vehicles after their sale.
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Grumbletron 4000 posted:Stock stereos really are pretty decent these days. My car wasn't terrible or anything but a few hundred bucks and a little bit of work really made a difference. It doesn't pound till your eyes go blurry like my old shitheap. It just sounds really loud and good. You could get some of that fun bass action back without even touching any of the existing stuff. Just run the wires for an amp and a line level output, throw a little sub in the hatch and enjoy the beat. Yeah, I'm pretty sure you have to special order a trim level that has a lovely stereo in it these days. I mean you certainly can upgrade to better, but even my old Neon came with an amp installed in the dash. I think the days of lovely everything died out in the early 2000's.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:In the future each separate system of a machine will be ridiculously complex and overengineered and require proprietary technology to tinker with that can only be operated by a specifically certified individual and to get even the most basic work done on your car you will have to travel around like you're assembling a crew in a heist movie dragging people out of bars and their kid's dance recitals threatening them and begging them and convincing them to do "one last job". We're really not that far off from that now. If I want my Saab remapped, there is apparently one guy in the UK who can do it and its a hobby for him. If I want to enable an AUX port on my radio, I'm going to have to find someone with the right magic box to turn it on in software. You can buy these boxes on ebay, but instructions seem vague. I had to run a fault test on the LPG ECU for my car - that required a special cable from Bulgaria and a pirate copy of the Italian software with Russian instructions.
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I just replaced the stock unit in my kid’s 2007 Nissan and they were not excited about the prospect because, aside from no Bluetooth even the base model radio was pretty good. Also it took me the better part of a week to get it working and the am/fm still doesn’t work right. But Bluetooth works. Sometime during the late 90’s even stock units started to sound good. Technology progressed to the point where you had to actively try to make something that sounded bad.
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Our internet went down in the shop today and we could not work on cars anymore because of that, so you know, the lovely future is already here
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chitoryu12 posted:I think you're missing the point, which is Tesla trying to maintain too much control over their vehicles after their sale. Yeah, from Tesla's perspective you "own" some of the hardware but some of the hardware and all of the software is only licensed to you. It's essentially a transportation appliance.
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Aug 16, 2018 18:09
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Standard DIN radios in cars are obsolete, that's why replacing stuff is a bitch now.
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yeah, on new cars there is no "radio," there is an 8.4" touchscreen Wi-Fi enabled Apple CarPlay integrated Vehicle Command Center bullshit thing through which are routed all kinds of other vehicle computer systems, like engine and transmission and safety controls, so 1) you cannot change out the radio, aftermarket solutions will not be able to interact with your manufacturer's software suite, and 2) if you try to change the radio, or if the radio dies, your car is effectively bricked
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InediblePenguin posted:yeah, on new cars there is no "radio," there is an 8.4" touchscreen Wi-Fi enabled Apple CarPlay integrated Vehicle Command Center bullshit thing through which are routed all kinds of other vehicle computer systems, like engine and transmission and safety controls, so 1) you cannot change out the radio, aftermarket solutions will not be able to interact with your manufacturer's software suite, and 2) if you try to change the radio, or if the radio dies, your car is effectively bricked At least it's just the radio. A Tesla has everything tied to the computer, including the glove box and doors. Your car could very easily burst into flames from one of their faulty batteries (because when a guy blew the whistle on them putting punctured batteries or ones with the polarities reversed back on the line, they fired him and publicly accused him of sabotage to cover it up) and can't open the doors without ripping off the speaker panel and yanking at wires to open the door manually.
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So far this month alone we've seen two vehicles that wouldn't start and wouldn't shift, respectively, and the solution was replacing the radios -- but at least the fuckin doors still opened, Christ
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My kid’s new radio wouldn’t boot up and I was all pissed at Crutchfield and they were like, “maybe it’s the ground. Attach it this other part of the car.” And I’m bitching the whole time I’m disassembling the head unit again about how there’s no way the ground is causing this and sure enough it was. To be clear, the radio was grounded. Just not grounded enough apparently.
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chitoryu12 posted:At least it's just the radio. A Tesla has everything tied to the computer, including the glove box and doors. Your car could very easily burst into flames from one of their faulty batteries (because when a guy blew the whistle on them putting punctured batteries or ones with the polarities reversed back on the line, they fired him and publicly accused him of sabotage to cover it up) and can't open the doors without ripping off the speaker panel and yanking at wires to open the door manually. Just for fun I looked up replacement units for my car. From this:  To this:  ..no thanks, I'm good. Even though having android auto and ODB2 by default is kinda tempting.
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