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I’d like a game where you start as like a generic guardsman and as you play you get points to unlock different classes/specialization. So for instance after a few deaths you can either choose to continue on as a veteran guard with some awesome weapon or progress into a scion squad as an unspecialized storm trooper... eventually topping off as either a Custodes, chaos champion or some flavor of space marine. Arm chair game development is the best.
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I've been thinking for a while that a survival horror game as a guardsman on a totally normal battlefield would be a cool way to do 40k. Nothing overtly 'horror' game, but just being a regular dude having to deal with all the insane poo poo that a guardsman fights on the daily.
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Aug 14, 2018 17:42
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Spec Ops: The Line, except you're a guard officer with a few dudes from your command squad in a deserted hive.
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Aug 14, 2018 17:51
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A couple of the voice actors for Text to Speech Emperor play a mod for XCOM 2 called Guardscom. It looks hilarious and awesome.
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Aug 14, 2018 18:32
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Battlefront with commissar/scout/heavy as regular units, SM/inquisitor/skitarii as power up classes.
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Aug 14, 2018 21:15
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I just finished The Emperor's Gift and holy poo poo, those last few chapters really seem like a head scratch to common sense but I guess that explains the Author's Note.
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Aug 14, 2018 21:44
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Randalor posted:Eh, it's not possessed by daemons or corrupted by the warp, so it's no biggie (well, except the whole "It's now a stolen cultural artifact that he never planned on returning to them after its owner died" bit). It's a force weapon, so basically 40k's version of a magical weapon with special powers. Besides, I think he kept the sword after he started his slide towards radicalism. I mean a sentient weapon that thirsts for blood sounds a lot like a daemon weapon to me
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Immanentized posted:The on rails section has you operating the gun, and nothing else on a tech priest's gun servitor. Well, that's only the first one. The second has you operating the main gun on a tank, and the last has you commanding one of the shoulders of a Titan! I guess I'll reveal my idea for the greatest MMO of all time. I think I have before but it's still a good idea, drat it. Basically, it's a MMOFPS like Planetside. First, the endless war of that game does a service to the universe. Second, there are multiple different worlds that you can go to and fight on. Pretty simple, but then I'd mix it up by having guilds be the main method of advancement. So initial players would be placed with the PDF, or equivalent (for different races), and thus have to deal with orders that wouldn't be super responsive, or super efficient, since they came down from the game designers. But you'd be a blunt object, the zerg that these games tend to have. You could have minor progression, where for each kill you get a tiny upgrade to your stats, so slightly tougher, or slightly more accurate, faster reload. However, when you die, all goes away and your back at square one. But wait! That's a terrible idea! People like progression! Yes, and by the time you're good, you'll be able to go towards a guild, (I think they were called outfits in planetside), and that's where the meat and potatoes of the game are. Basically, an outfit would be like a TOE in the regular tabletop. So you'd have to have a certain amount of people necessary to start it. But then you'd make the command squad, pick sergeants etc. And then, you'd have some choice as to your actions. You could take munitorum contracts, so escort this convoy of ammunition from this base to this base, and upon successful completing them you get additional resources from the Munitorum, so you can upgrade one squad to having scopes, or maybe give them a chimera. Now, if it explodes, you get another one, since the Munitorum says you have one, you have to have one! So if you were in a good guild, you could actually have half decent gear! Maybe even an armoured company, or a tank company (This has advantages, since there might be a bit of atrophy of players, but less people would be necessary for the guild)! This way you could actually start to develop relationships between opposing guilds, as you might fight them multiple times on a single planet, or even be ordered by the uncaring machinery, to another planet where, dammit they are too! There could be items that are actually really good, and are constant. So if you die while carrying it, and no one else in your outfit picks it up, the opposing team can pick them up! So, similar to the universe, hundreds of lives may be sacrificed just to reclaim one piece of archeotech. These would be plasma weapons, or baneblades or something that can't just be remade, even daemon swords! Alright, that's enough for more. Ask me about how we'd implement space marines! Or titans! Or anything! Haha.
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Aug 14, 2018 22:54
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Sir, this is a Mcdonalds drive-through
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Randalor posted:Eh, it's not possessed by daemons or corrupted by the warp, so it's no biggie (well, except the whole "It's now a stolen cultural artifact that he never planned on returning to them after its owner died" bit). It's a force weapon, so basically 40k's version of a magical weapon with special powers. Besides, I think he kept the sword after he started his slide towards radicalism. This, while the swordswoman might have been all "the sword thirsts!" When eisenhorn borrows it, uses it, modifies it it's clear it's not a daemon blade or a blade with a machine spirit but simply a force sword that the swordswoman's "primtive" clan now had a limited understanding of. The whole blade that thirsts for blood is also referred to somewhere in eisenhorn or ravenor I forget where but it's a cognitae daemon weapon that literally does start to suck the blood out of it's victim. Two different weapons that can easily merge in someone's memory. Oh God why do I have so much of this stuff in my memory 
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rocket_Magnet posted:This, while the swordswoman might have been all "the sword thirsts!" When eisenhorn borrows it, uses it, modifies it it's clear it's not a daemon blade or a blade with a machine spirit but simply a force sword that the swordswoman's "primtive" clan now had a limited understanding of. The whole blade that thirsts for blood is also referred to somewhere in eisenhorn or ravenor I forget where but it's a cognitae daemon weapon that literally does start to suck the blood out of it's victim. Two different weapons that can easily merge in someone's memory. Eisenhorn frequently describes having to restrain Barbarisater though, even around allies. Theoretically I guess you could see that as it tapping into a subconscious aggression from Eisenhorn and him having to hold himself back, but that doesn’t seem to gel with the rest of the character at all. quote:Barbarisater was an extraordinary piece. I came to know it and it came to know me. Within a week, it was responding to my will, channelling it so hard that the rune marks glowed with manifesting psychic power. It had a will of its own, and once it was in my hands, ready, swinging, it was difficult to stop it pulling and slicing where it pleased. It hungered for blood... or if not blood, then at least the joy of battle. On two separate occasions, Medea came into the hold to see if I was bored enough for another round of regicide, and I had to restrain the steel from lunging at her. quote:Barbarisater was still seething with power, and twitched as Medea emerged unhurt from behind a choir stall. I forced the hungry blade down quote:I hugged the panelled wall. Barbarisater throbbed, hungry quote:I ran to the cut-out car window and hauled myself out into the vicious chill. I had to sheath Barbarisater and it didn’t like it. quote:Wrapped in crew-issue foul-weather gear, I went outside and retrieved Barbarisater, which complained fractiously about being left in the blizzard. I sheathed the whining blade and went to check on the three janissaries who lay sprawled and stiffening in the snow. quote:Barbarisater trembled in my right fist as it sensed a bio-aura, but I relaxed. It was Kara Swole. There's definitely explicit support for the weapon attuning to Eisenhorn's will, but I think there's absolutely more than just that going on. Solemn Sloth fucked around with this message at 09:58 on Aug 15, 2018 |
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Aug 15, 2018 01:11
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Solemn Sloth posted:Eisenhorn frequently describes having to restrain Barbarisater though, even around allies. Theoretically I guess you could see that as it tapping into a subconscious aggression from Eisenhorn and him having to hold himself back, but that doesn’t seem to gel with the rest of the character at all.
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Solemn Sloth posted:Eisenhorn frequently describes having to restrain Barbarisater though, even around allies. Theoretically I guess you could see that as it tapping into a subconscious aggression from Eisenhorn and him having to hold himself back, but that doesn’t seem to gel with the rest of the character at all. Sidekick: "Gregor, we really need to talk about your sword. That thing is starting to really creep me out." Eisenhorn: "It's a powerful weapon, and an old one. After wielding it for centuries, it is as much an extension of my arm and my will as it is a weapon." Sidekick: "Dude, that's not a good thing. I know thousands of tiny mouths gnashing teeth and whispering a constant stream of blasphemies and threats weren't standard equipment on that thing. Also it's started bleeding boiling tar and shrieking like an infant torn from it's mother every time you put it down. The armory is a loving mess." Eisenhorn: "Don't worry old friend, I have top men working to ensure I don't succumb to Chaos even though my methods have become more radical as of late." *Barbarisater flies from it's sheath and impales a passing bystander. The sword begins keening in ecstasy and pulsating grotesquely as it feasts on the blood of the innocent victim.* Sidekick: "Holy loving poo poo! I mean... what the actual gently caress Gregor!?" *Eisenhorn retrieves the sword from the emaciated husk of the bystander and cleans it lovingly before re-sheathing it.* Eisenhorn: "Top...Men."
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Verloc posted:I've read all those quotes individually, but never really stitched them together before. Yeah, that's definitely a thing. Taking an ancient sword that's killed countless victims and then covering it in hoodoo runes and pumping it full of massive amounts of psychic energy seems like the kind of thing that could have undesirable side effects in the 40k universe. Plus Eisenhorn is loaded with enough paternalistic hubris he'd be unwilling / unable to admit he's gone full heretic because of ~*~* MY WILL*~*~ I... I thought Barbarisater was a good-aligned space-scottish daemon sword
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I never got the impression that the sword was sentient. To me it feels more like it's just amplifying natural talent. Whatever arcane runes and ol Greg's own psychic power poured into it enhances swings, make the sword faster and lighter. When he has to restrain it it's not because it thirsts for blood, but that the whole thing about it is that it's made to keep swinging and it takes effort to stop it. Like a chainsaw, you have to physically hold it back to keep it from sawing through the closest thing. That's my read on it at least.
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Aug 15, 2018 18:57
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Does he even still have the sword anymore? Pretty sure it was broken or lost, I can't remember for sure though. Would be interesting if it was still around in the new books and its totes a daemon sword now. I know he lost the fancy bolt pistol given to him by that Deathwatch Librarian.
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Demon Of The Fall posted:Does he even still have the sword anymore? Pretty sure it was broken or lost, I can't remember for sure though. Would be interesting if it was still around in the new books and its totes a daemon sword now. I know he lost the fancy bolt pistol given to him by that Deathwatch Librarian. It got broken by a definite demon weapon in a fight but he had it reforged Solemn Sloth fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Aug 15, 2018 |
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i think its more likely that Barbarisater is semi-sentient dark age tech whose machine spirit got pissed off after Eisenhorn defaced and hosed with it, rather than being a chaotic blade that said, I sorta like the idea that it is purely psych-reactive to him, since this would imply he is constantly suppressing the urge to kill all of his friends Schadenboner posted:I’m just bothered by the power level creep from “a guy who’s good with a sword” to “a literal goddamn Jedi” mostly done off-screen or via parentheticals (“I practiced with a the sword, like, a lot”). It feels cinematic in a bad way, like spec-script cinematic. the story demands that Eisenhorn undergo power creep as he becomes more radical the point of Chaos corruption is that it represents an easy way out, a route to claiming powers you don't deserve, not through marshaling greater resources or engineering better devices, but through compromising your morals if Eisenhorn didn't accumulate ever-greater bullshit powers as his self-rationalization mounted, he'd either stop doing it or get killed by the many rival heretics and Ordo Hereticus types after him I expect the explanations of his power-creep are understated for much the same way that most of the narration in Eisenhorn is understated and different from normal Abnett narration, to let things sneak up on both Eisenhorn and the reader Eisenhorn stays awake in the basement making daemonic blood pacts for fifty hours straight, later narrates "I err read the book so i could understand my enemies," PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Aug 15, 2018 |
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Aug 15, 2018 22:34
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The radical creep is so gradual I didnt realize it started so early until a later re-read. Even sacrificing the civie guy to knock out the Chaos Titan seemed like a necessary and overall good thing to do. Glaw completely called it on how it begins. Once he uses Fischigs body as a meat puppet was only when it seemed like yeah, he's a total radical and cant be saved anymore. But he's still doing kickass work so I look forward to how he progresses into hell differently than, say, Quixos. Will his indomitable will actually stop him from going full heretic, or has that point already passed? 
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Aug 16, 2018 00:03
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Dude's probably maxed out armor of contempt, he'll be fine.
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mythicknight posted:The radical creep is so gradual I didnt realize it started so early until a later re-read. Even sacrificing the civie guy to knock out the Chaos Titan seemed like a necessary and overall good thing to do. Glaw completely called it on how it begins. A triumph of the will, if you may
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It’s been a few years since I last read BL fiction - what’s good out there these days? Is any of the AoS stuff worth checking out? I’ve tended to stick with Abnett and Dembski-Bowden previously. I’ve read the Eisenhorn and Ravenor trilogies, which I enjoyed, and the first two or three Gaunt’s Ghosts books, which seemed alright but somehow just didn’t click with me. Also read and enjoyed Helsrech and The Emperor’s Gift. Started on the HH series but I think the sheer number of novels there intimidates me so I only made it through the first three.
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Owlkill posted:It’s been a few years since I last read BL fiction - what’s good out there these days? Is any of the AoS stuff worth checking out? I forget if “necropolis” is included in that first trilogy, but if it isn’t you should really give that a shot before closing the book on the Gaunt series. Necropolis is the first “true” book (the original few books were a collection of short stories written for anthologies and such) and it introduces a lot of main characters that are in the next throne knows how many books.
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:I forget if “necropolis” is included in that first trilogy, but if it isn’t you should really give that a shot before closing the book on the Gaunt series. Necropolis is the first “true” book (the original few books were a collection of short stories written for anthologies and such) and it introduces a lot of main characters that are in the next throne knows how many books. It is. The first anthology is First And Only, Ghostmaker, and Necropolis. The second is Honor Guard, The Guns of Tanith, Straight Silver, and Sabbat Martyr. Sabbat Martyr's also where I lost interest in the series. I enjoyed it alright, but I couldn't get into the Lost books.
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Owlkill posted:It’s been a few years since I last read BL fiction - what’s good out there these days? Is any of the AoS stuff worth checking out? McNeill sort of completes the "Good writers who write for BL" triumvirate for me (Sandy Mitchell would be close but I don't feel like he ever goes beyond writing "Less-rapy-and-racist Flashman IIIIIINNNNN SPPPAACCCEEEE", at least not that I've seen). Beyond that you're in "I hear this particular book by an author was good" territory. I liked the Baneblade/Shadowsword/Stormlord books and the guy apparently gives good Blood Angel as well. What are you into? Schadenboner fucked around with this message at 14:10 on Aug 16, 2018 |
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Aug 16, 2018 14:06
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Chris Wraight also has some good novels under his belt, he's probably next to check out after Abnett and ADB.
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Owlkill posted:Is any of the AoS stuff worth checking out?
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Mitchell did write a pair of books linked to the first edition of the Dark Heresy RPG that were pretty decent and a step way from Flashman in space in terms of tone. But amusingly enough all the characters featuring in the series are the example characters from the core rulebook. It was also meant to be a trilogy but the third book never materialized as Mitchell stopped writing for GW at that point. Which is a bit of a shame as I recall the series was setting up Enslavers as the big bad. Guy Haley is solid as well, at least I greatly enjoyed Baneblade when I read it. Josh Reynolds AoS stuff is pretty good as well, even if I've only read Spear of Shadows so far but as an adventure book it was great. BL put out the omnibus for Ulrika the Vampire recently as well and I've been chugging through that and its good old Warhammer Fantasy fiction. Even if Ulrika by the second book is the worst vampire in terms of accomplishing anything.
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I was never the biggest fan of john french but slaves to darkness was actually pretty drat good. Atleast it made me care about the iron warriors and I never have before.
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Cooked Auto posted:Mitchell did write a pair of books linked to the first edition of the Dark Heresy RPG that were pretty decent and a step way from Flashman in space in terms of tone. Guy Haley goes on the good list now for sure. He's had a few mediocre books like Dark Imperium but his recent stuff has for the most part been great.
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Cooked Auto posted:Mitchell did write a pair of books linked to the first edition of the Dark Heresy RPG that were pretty decent and a step way from Flashman in space in terms of tone. Oh poo poo that's right: Scourge the Heretic and Innocence Proves Nothing I think? Those were really good.
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A couple of interesting lore questions recently popped up regarding Sisters of Battle: In theory, it’s possible for someone to return to service in the normal ranks after doing time with the Sisters Repentia, but have we ever actually seen any examples? Also, what happens when a Sister of Battle loses her faith in the Emperor? Does she lose access to all her Acts of Faith? Or, and this is possibly a little more unsettling for her, does she retain them no matter what, leaving her to question where these abilities come from?
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PantsOptional posted:A couple of interesting lore questions recently popped up regarding Sisters of Battle: I think it's generally accepted that the Repentia is more-or-less the penal legion for sisters. It's possible to survive in that it is a thing that could conceivably happen but it probably never really does?
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I'd add that sisters losing their faith is nearly impossible. It's conditioned from childhood, they regularly witness miracles, and all aspects of their lives are devoted to enriching their faith. They're not really D&D Paladins who can fall, if that makes sense. That said, there's probably a cynical sister or two just "going through the motions." I imagine sooner or later they end up as repentia for a few battles.
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Zasze posted:I was never the biggest fan of john french but slaves to darkness was actually pretty drat good. Atleast it made me care about the iron warriors and I never have before. Slaves to darkness was a pretty good book the horus parts and Perturabo were really well done.
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Aug 16, 2018 20:57
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I feel like if my prayers can literally cause immediate and obvious miracles, I might not be atheist.
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Aug 16, 2018 21:28
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Just finishing the first Eisenhorn book, already ordered the next one. This thread title is still very accurate. Dan Abnett rules.
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I don't think Repentia are sisters who have necessarily lost faith - they are repenting for some transgression, whether real or imagined. Yeah, that could include a crisis of faith, but it's also more likely self perceived guilt and penance is the only option available to someone so zealous. Repentia are probably more pious and faithful than a regular sister.
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Yeah. In Faith & Fire, one sister voluntarily takes the Oath of the Penitent after a dangerous psyker manages to escape from her squad's custody (the rest of whom are killed in the process, if I remember right).
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Sisters can turn to chaos though. They just treat it similar to the Dark Angel and go to extreme lengths to hide it. In one of the books it turns out one of the sisters is actually a replacement for the original sister that fell to chaos so nobody would realize anything happened to her and they go to extreme lengths to hunt down the turned sister.
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