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Strange Poon posted:Are you sure he didn't care before? Can you honestly say you know him well enough? Maybe he's just good at not showing how much contempt he has for minorities, women, and lgbtq people. Maybe he's never felt threatened enough to drop any slurs or openly rant about how they're upsetting him. Maybe you don't have enough skin in the game to have noticed these things. I can't be entirely certain. Part of the issue is how much he prides himself on being a troll. We're all from NYC. He grew up there poor. He still works in the city despite being exceedingly wealthy now. And he travels internationally for business every month. So he's been exposed to different people and places. He doesn't care about abortion or same sex marriage. He thinks there needs to be more gun control. He has always expressed that he wants less business regulation and lower taxes for himself. That's his prime goal for as long as I can remember. He's been personally burned by Trump before, but I worry he's going to join the cult because Obama broke his brain. Who knows. I already spent an hour berating him about the danger of Dinesh and his ilk's bullshit revisionism. I don't know.
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Keeshhound posted:Ok, seriously, is Tucker's face just frozen like that? Does he have some rare paralytic disease that causes him to always make the same dumbfounded expression? It's the face of a man who's brain is at war with itself.
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BiggerBoat posted:Swiping from the Trump thread to get us back on track aa bit Eh, gently caress all that. All we need is the first amendment so I can scream racist poo poo at minorities then call them oppressors when they respond, and the second amendment so I can have guns to stand my ground at any of them I want.
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Taerkar posted:It's the face of a man who's brain is at war with itself. Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've seen, Tucker Carlson appears to be caught off-guard a lot more than Hannity or O'Reilly ever were. Like, he doesn't have that Ultra-Instinct level of deflection yet, so when Hannity would instantly counter any resistance with "Yeah, well, why don't you say that to the four dead Americans at Benghazi," Tucker just sorta flounders in any situation where he's not seethingly monologuing about how bad immigration is. It could be that he's genuinely trying (and failing) to come up with a retort in real time, or it could just be him struggling to stifle a cartoonish "a-doooy".
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Aug 16, 2018 18:04
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STAC Goat posted:Wait... are you actually advocating for state run media? Well, I find it amusing how the wealth gap in America is discussed more on RT America than all of the American cable media outlets combined. They also regularly have 20-30 minute interviews (oh my god, an actual analysis?!) with guests instead of the 3-5 minute segments CNN and Fox have multiple times an hour where they mostly discuss media horserace bullshit like Stormy Daniels and Trump's tweets. So yeah, given the horrendous and horrible track record of American media corporations lying about everything from poverty to war, I'd say give state media a shot for once. Every other country has at least one state media outlet, why can't we?
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Slutitution posted:Well, I find it amusing how the wealth gap in America is discussed more on RT America than all of the American cable media outlets combined. They also regularly have 20-30 minute interviews (oh my god, an actual analysis?!) with guests instead of the 3-5 minute segments CNN and Fox have multiple times an hour where they mostly discuss media horserace bullshit like Stormy Daniels and Trump's tweets. Because nearly every supposedly apolitical state bureau has become hyperpartisan and it would be subject to GOP ghoulery.
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Aug 16, 2018 18:45
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LeeMajors posted:Because nearly every supposedly apolitical state bureau has become hyperpartisan and it would be subject to GOP ghoulery. Counterpart: NPR But good thing CNN, MSNBC, and FOX aren't partisan already then right
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Slutitution posted:Counterpart: NPR NPR is known as Nice Polite Republicans for a reason. I like NPR but it’s hardly apolitical—intentions aside. I don’t expect every news source to be 100% neutral—that’s unrealistic. I’d prefer not to put a powerful propaganda arm in the hands of a cynical terrorist organization under the guise of impartiality. At least most reasonable people know FOX is a joke.
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Slutitution posted:Counterpart: NPR NPR receives public funding but is in no way state run or part of the government.
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I hate that people think that the focus of news is to be neutral. It should be the focus to find facts, which - surprise! Probably lean left.
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Oh hey, looks like Hamilton Nolan reads this thread. https://splinternews.com/the-living-standard-of-political-media-failure-1828354923quote:The Living Standard of Political Media Failure
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One party caters to their base and fires them up aggressively, while the other calls their most passionate supporters "loving morons" as Rahm Emanuel so eloquently put it. One party proudly waves the flag of conservatism, embracing that identity and working to promote and grow it. Meanwhile the party that is supposed to be representing the left is arguing that, "Hey we're not really THAT liberal!" and wholeheartedly embracing the right wing framing of the issue when they should be essentially saying, "You're goddamn right I'm a liberal! If being liberal means medicare for all... if being liberal means publicly funded college for all... if being liberal means ending the wars of occupation and conquest... if being liberal means not tearing children from their parents, forcibly drugging them, and locking them in cages... if being liberal means we don't have people working in factories 100 hours/week for starvation wages and getting ground up in the gears every so often... etc etc etc" Goddamn do I love being on the left. It feels like you're getting one over on the bastards to some degree!
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Corsair Pool Boy posted:NPR receives public funding but is in no way state run or part of the government. They're constantly trying to ditch their liberal reputation, though, since the right spent the 90s threatening to defund them. So you get a lot of pandering pieces about how maybe this obviously idiotic thing Trump just did was OK and here's an expert we found to tell you why.
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The corporate media coming out in full force today demanding to be called a "#FreePress" in their editorials is pretty cute, I'll admit.
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Slutitution posted:The corporate media coming out in full force today demanding to be called a "#FreePress" in their editorials is pretty cute, I'll admit. Even better is the moron president saying newspapers colluded with foreign countries.
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:Even better is the moron president saying newspapers colluded with foreign countries. Even better is how "free" American newspapers collude with the government in order to disseminate their war propaganda and American Exceptionalism talking points.
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Slutitution posted:Well, I find it amusing how the wealth gap in America is discussed more on RT America than all of the American cable media outlets combined. They also regularly have 20-30 minute interviews (oh my god, an actual analysis?!) with guests instead of the 3-5 minute segments CNN and Fox have multiple times an hour where they mostly discuss media horserace bullshit like Stormy Daniels and Trump's tweets. That isn't because it's state media, but because it's state media of a state opposed to the US, and highlighting problems of the US just happens to be simultaneously a good thing and something that Russia considers to be in its interests. Put another way, there's no reason to think that US state media would focus on the same stuff. It's hard to really come up with a type of news media that would avoid the issues present in existing corporate or state media. I guess you could, at the very least, make news media non-profit and worker-owned (so it can't be owned and influenced by private investors), but you'd still end up with the problem of media being beholden to those who fund it, whether it's private entities or the government.
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Slutitution posted:Even better is how "free" American newspapers collude with the government in order to disseminate their war propaganda and American Exceptionalism talking points. I agree, corporations are ruining America.
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Phone posted:Oh hey, looks like Hamilton Nolan reads this thread. https://splinternews.com/the-living-standard-of-political-media-failure-1828354923 I still think he's overplaying the importance of the media here. Trump got coverage because it's what people wanted to see. And as long as the media is a business, they'll continue to operate that way. Nolan of all people should know this since he advanced his career working for a clickbait operation. Was the media supposed to cover a Jeb Bush rally for the 4 people interested in seeing that? Back in 2008, was the media supposed to give equal coverage to Chris Dodd as they did Barack Obama? You cover what the people want and certain candidates hit a chord with the public. No one cared when Obama's every bowel movement was breaking news during the election. Trump didn't win because someone turned on the TV and saw him on CNN and decided that's the man they needed to vote for. He won because a large segment of the population are terrible and his message of hating minorities and women was right in their wheelhouse. And instead of tip-toeing around that line, he went full steam ahead into those issues and catered directly toward his base. A bunch of white racists who are losing influence in the world were told by another white racist that he would stop that from happening.
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Niwrad posted:I still think he's overplaying the importance of the media here. Trump got coverage because it's what people wanted to see. And as long as the media is a business, they'll continue to operate that way. Nolan of all people should know this since he advanced his career working for a clickbait operation. You're right, people really wanted to see an empty podium for 25 minutes as CNN cut from a live Bernie stump speech to an empty loving podium.
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It's not like we need to reinvent the wheel here. Professionalization of the civil service is a thing. Don't need a state media to be perfect, just good enough. A lot of potential issues with it stem from Republicans increasing rejection of compromise and democratic principles, and there's no methodological fix for that. p.s. RT is a horrible example though. They are uninterested in the truth. TheDeadlyShoe fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Aug 16, 2018 |
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Smilin Joe Fission posted:One party caters to their base and fires them up aggressively, while the other calls their most passionate supporters "loving morons" as Rahm Emanuel so eloquently put it. One party proudly waves the flag of conservatism, embracing that identity and working to promote and grow it. Meanwhile the party that is supposed to be representing the left is arguing that, "Hey we're not really THAT liberal!" and wholeheartedly embracing the right wing framing of the issue when they should be essentially saying, "You're goddamn right I'm a liberal! If being liberal means medicare for all... if being liberal means publicly funded college for all... if being liberal means ending the wars of occupation and conquest... if being liberal means not tearing children from their parents, forcibly drugging them, and locking them in cages... if being liberal means we don't have people working in factories 100 hours/week for starvation wages and getting ground up in the gears every so often... etc etc etc" This is all pretty true and, to me, exemplifies the success that RWM has had over the years totally framing issues and creating "bad words", often only through sheer repetition. I proudly self identify as a liberal but the propaganda has made many people wishy washy about it. Aaaannnndddd.....FOX News put up a picture of Patti LaBelle to memorialize Aretha Franklin. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/fox-news-remembers-aretha-franklin-with-photo-of-patti-labelle_us_5b75bbcfe4b0182d49b1e165 BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Aug 17, 2018 |
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Niwrad posted:I still think he's overplaying the importance of the media here. Trump got coverage because it's what people wanted to see. And as long as the media is a business, they'll continue to operate that way. Nolan of all people should know this since he advanced his career working for a clickbait operation. If Nolan is wrong, then what’s your prescription for what the media should do differently? Or in your opinion did they do their jobs properly in ‘16?
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Cool it's the same sort of people who think George W Bush was elected in 2000 by the public instead of a shoddy Supreme Court ruling directly for him, making the same kind of misdirected blame once again.
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:Even better is the moron president saying newspapers colluded with foreign countries. Is there anything he won't project about?
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Zipperelli. posted:Is there anything he won't project about? Or reveal the crimes of Fox News?
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Donald Trump will never pay for his crimes. He will whine and moan and rake in billions for himself and his criminal rear end in a top hat friends and there is nothing that can be done about it. Peaceful revolution is laughable, violent revolution impossible -- the army has flying robots that hurl death from hundreds of miles away, callous men armed with enough weaponry to take down a small country each, and other resources procured by a runaway defense budget gleefully stolen from the poor and destitute. And so all we can do is watch and laugh at the stupid man saying stupid things and try very, very hard not to think about how this stupid, stupid man earns more money in one hour than most of us do in a year and has with the help of oligarchs stolen the reins of a country that hates and reviles him.
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Screaming Idiot posted:Donald Trump will never pay for his crimes. He will whine and moan and rake in billions for himself and his criminal rear end in a top hat friends and there is nothing that can be done about it. Peaceful revolution is laughable, violent revolution impossible -- the army has flying robots that hurl death from hundreds of miles away, callous men armed with enough weaponry to take down a small country each, and other resources procured by a runaway defense budget gleefully stolen from the poor and destitute. I think he is going to go to jail for treason and other things.
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drilldo squirt posted:I think he is going to go to jail for treason and other things.  Can we please contain the idiotic hot takes like this in the Ruskie thread thanks
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Screaming Idiot posted:Donald Trump will never pay for his crimes. He will whine and moan and rake in billions for himself and his criminal rear end in a top hat friends and there is nothing that can be done about it. Peaceful revolution is laughable, violent revolution impossible -- the army has flying robots that hurl death from hundreds of miles away, callous men armed with enough weaponry to take down a small country each, and other resources procured by a runaway defense budget gleefully stolen from the poor and destitute. I agree, the death of democracy and America by the republican party is a hearty lol but I would like my child to live in a world that isn't devoid of empathy, compassion, civility, and kindness.
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I guess the streets are the only platform InfoWars will soon have left lmao: https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanetTV/status/1030480487997956097
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:I agree, the death of democracy and America by the republican party is a hearty lol but I would like my child to live in a world that isn't devoid of empathy, compassion, civility, and kindness. When the empathy, civility and kidness exist only in your mind, that's kind of a problem. When your system and leaders rise because of their clear lack, and hatred of, those same qualities....
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Slutitution posted:I guess the streets are the only platform InfoWars will soon have left lmao: We're so forbidden we have signs in the open to websites you can just go to!
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Sephyr posted:When the empathy, civility and kidness exist only in your mind, that's kind of a problem. I'm lost, what's your message?
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pop fly to McGillicutty posted:I'm lost, what's your message? It's like the political version of incels.
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So now we can finally add Jake Tapper to RWM: https://www.dailywire.com/news/34683/watch-cnns-tapper-fact-checks-ocasio-cortez-ryan-saavedra https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgyK3yb5qic Ben Shapiro, republicans, and the alt-right are celebrating Fake Tapper citing a bogus claim from corporate "fact-checking" site factcheck.org that falsely tried to say the Koch Bros did NOT accidentally say medicare for all would save Americans two trillion. It's quite obvious that CNN's big pharma and health insurance advertisers pressured Tapper to ambush Sanders and Cortez here. So stop saying CNN is a friend of leftists and socialists; they're absolutely not. They're going to pull this bullshit tenfold in the 2020 primaries, guaranteed.
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Slutitution posted:So now we can finally add Jake Tapper to RWM: https://www.dailywire.com/news/34683/watch-cnns-tapper-fact-checks-ocasio-cortez-ryan-saavedra https://twitter.com/BenSpielberg/status/1030483044719677440?s=19 Jake responded to this guy calling him out and it ends very nicely.
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