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Chadzok posted:Yeah, I like this. It's likely Nacho is going to ask for Mike's help in all this and he's going to be caught in the middle. Ooh, I hadn't thought about this but yeah it's a good plot beat. Nacho has gone to Mike for help with problematic bosses before and doesn't know Mike is working with Fring already. I can see it happening that Nacho asks for help, Mike refuses and the situation develops from there pulling Mike closer to Fring. He's got some serious loyalty to Fring in BB and we've gotta start seeing how that develops.
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So when this show was first announced, the idea was that it would span across the pre-BB, during-BB, and post-BB timeline. Is that still supposed to be the case?
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DaveKap posted:So when this show was first announced, the idea was that it would span across the pre-BB, during-BB, and post-BB timeline. Is that still supposed to be the case? I believe so. What was also mentioned was that this show is supposed to be able to stand on its own for the viewer, without them having seen Breaking Bad, and I really don't know how they're going to successfully make it to the post-BB era while filling in the viewer with all the relevant info. If they can take a season or two to (quickly but effectively) run through Saul's side of things during BB S2-5.5, they will be cemented as the best television production team ever. I'm hoping they pull it off.
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Aug 17, 2018 12:04
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If they spend a season on Saul's side of Breaking Bad coming up with new little details, while all the other characters on Jimmy's side of the story have fallen by the wayside as part of that transformation and been replaced with more on his typical clients and the team he puts together, and it all comes together well and forms into a really good season, then I think that'll be one of the most impressive feats I've seen from a T.V. drama to shift in tone and characters that drastically. It's like if E.R. got rid of most of its cast instead of maybe one or two a season and switched to being a cop show and was still super good. My prediction for the season is that by the end we see Jimmy on the very cusp of becoming Saul entirely, Mike fully on Gus' side and having killed some cartel flunkies at his request or done some other grand plan that greatly tops their previous collaborations, Kim and Jimmy broken up, and Hank making a quick appearance in the finale setting up him investigating the Salamancas due to the chaos created by Hector being taken out. Not a lot of that is too bold, but I really get the feeling they went all-out and created a super intriguing finale to top their previous ones. Seasons 2 and 3 had some pretty solid cliffhangers set up, but I just feel in my bones that where they leave things at 4 is going to be full-blown bananas, and them getting an early renewal furthers my belief in that.
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My theory on Lalo. He's a leader of a rival crew. Juan Bolsa mentioned to Nacho and Ponytail that rival crews would be trying to step on Salamanca turf now Hector was out. Ponytail also mentioned to The Cousins in hospital that they'd chased off a rival gang. The subject of turf war has been mentioned twice now and I think that's how they'll introduce Lalo. Unless he's sent in as an interim replacement for Hector now that Ponytail has "disappeared". Not unlike Gaff from Breaking Bad s4.
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Aug 17, 2018 12:36
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Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:My theory on Lalo.
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Aug 17, 2018 14:33
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I was under the impression that he was going to be investigating what happened to uncle tio
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Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:Unless he's sent in as an interim replacement for Hector now that Ponytail has "disappeared". Not unlike Gaff from Breaking Bad s4. Who's Gaff? The young cartel guy?
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LesterGroans posted:Yeah, Kim was basically right. It wasn't malicious, but Howard was absolutely trying to get the guilt off his chest and saying it to Jimmy was almost certainly what he thought was right while also being the wrong time to unload on Chuck's brother. Unexpectedly, Howard is really well written. It's the sort of caracter that would have worked regardless as a more generic scumbag boss, but they do just enough to make him sympathetic.
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Aug 17, 2018 15:52
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It's true, if you go back and watch the first episodes, the smarm and arrogance of Hamlin is replaced with a sort of integrity. It's weird and good.
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Aug 17, 2018 16:25
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I forgot about Mikes reaction in this scene in Breaking Bad, him pulling the gun on Gus in confused shock is really good. Terrible quality video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Zw2yOXuHk
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I believe so. What was also mentioned was that this show is supposed to be able to stand on its own for the viewer, without them having seen Breaking Bad, This definitely has been dropped as a goal by now. The way they brought Gus to BCS wasn't anything like an "introduction", it was handled like a twist -- dropping this character you clearly are expected to remember to is A Big Deal into Mike's life.
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It's nice that Gus let Nacho use a foam pad.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Who's Gaff? The young cartel guy? Yeah the cartel enforcer from season 4 who ends up strangled by Mike. I quite enjoyed him, he was very much Don Eladio's Mike.
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Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:Yeah the cartel enforcer from season 4 who ends up strangled by Mike. I quite enjoyed him, he was very much Don Eladio's Mike. Dang, just realized he’s also from narcos too. He’s Carrillo.
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Am I the only one who's hoping for minimum BB overlap? One show featuring Walter White was quite enough, and I don't really see how the frame of his bullshit would add all that much to the lives of Kim, Howard or Nacho. I have faith that the show could pull it off, but I don't feel it's necessary. I'd be down for some Hank action, though.
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Aug 18, 2018 20:44
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I would like some overlap, it'd be interesting.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Am I the only one who's hoping for minimum BB overlap? My gut feeling is that, statistically, yes, you are in the vast minority on that one (I'm there with you, mind). Sadly though I am reasonably certain the show would not be anywhere near as popular as it is if it didn't have all the tie-in stuff, especially Gus.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Am I the only one who's hoping for minimum BB overlap? One show featuring Walter White was quite enough, and I don't really see how the frame of his bullshit would add all that much to the lives of Kim, Howard or Nacho. I have faith that the show could pull it off, but I don't feel it's necessary. I don't want this to be the Walter White Show, but I would like to see some things from that show from Saul's perspective. Maybe they can show his reaction or the fallout of some of those things with enough explanation that they don't have to include Walt to have it make sense.
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I would be cool with no overlap. But I trust this writing staff to do it in a way that wouldn’t bother me.
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boop the snoot posted:I would be cool with no overlap. But I trust this writing staff to do it in a way that wouldn’t bother me. I want to feel this way but anytime Gus is on screen I just sigh.
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Like it or not Walt entirely shapes Saul's life by Gene times. It would be interesting to see it unfold from Saul's perspective; at first I'm sure they were just two more idiots through his office that he was happy to leech off, one scheme among many that Saul was juggling. He's more worried about Lalo at that point. Eventually he's completely under Walt's thumb and it would be difficult to pull that off without Walt making appearances; although we've already seen it all before and I'm sure they wouldn't just retread important moments ("it's over when I say it's over", child poisoning, etc). I really can't wait to see how they handle the transition, and I wouldn't be surprised if they don't yet have a clear picture of how they're going to. Has there ever been another show, or a movie, that started as a prequel and ran up to, through and out the other side of a different series? Back to the Future 2 is the only example I can come up with, those scenes where you could see the first movie playing out but you were in the perspective of the second movie.
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Godfather Part II is the closest thing off of the top of my head, but IIRC you’re never actually revisiting events from the first film.
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Groovelord Neato posted:i like the gus stuff. I like some of the stuff that has come from Gus being on the show (specifically Nacho's story) but I don't like how Gus has somehow become even more superhumanly competent than he was in BB. A villain who never fucks up is not a very interesting one and right now he's like a frickin' Terminator.
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precision posted:I like some of the stuff that has come from Gus being on the show (specifically Nacho's story) but I don't like how Gus has somehow become even more superhumanly competent than he was in BB. A villain who never fucks up is not a very interesting one and right now he's like a frickin' Terminator. He does screw up in BB- he hires Walt, who leads to his downfall, and he refuses to just kill Hector because he wants to torture him for revenge, but that also comes back to (literally) blow up in his face
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Aug 19, 2018 06:02
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I wonder if we're gonna see the cartel transition from cocaine to meth
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Chadzok posted:Has there ever been another show, or a movie, that started as a prequel and ran up to, through and out the other side of a different series? Back to the Future 2 is the only example I can come up with, those scenes where you could see the first movie playing out but you were in the perspective of the second movie. Another almost example I'd say is Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead, though obviously that wasn't written by Shakespeare, and doesn't fit exactly. I think one of the Saw movies might've done something kind of like that too but that's just from a vague recollection of people talking about the series.
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I like the Rosencrantz & Guildenstern example, has the same 'fleshing out side characters' feel, protagonists driven along a path not really of their own making (as I imagine Saul would feel by the end of BB) plus I think Beckett would appreciate the absurdity of Gene's predicament, eternally waiting for the other shoe to drop.
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The Lion King 1 1/2 (which is the R&S Are Dead to the original's Hamlet)
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So I've almost finished with Season 3 and I have a timeline question. Breaking Bad season 3 spoiler has Hector already killed Gus's boyfriend?
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Your Gay Uncle posted:So I've almost finished with Season 3 and I have a timeline question. Breaking Bad season 3 spoiler has Hector already killed Gus's boyfriend? That was when they all first met. It took place ~20 years earlier, long before Gus even came to the US.
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Aug 19, 2018 20:03
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Hector was stroked out for the entirety of Breaking Bad. Anything he did while walking around and talking was during Better Call Saul or in a flashback.
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Aug 19, 2018 20:06
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Chadzok posted:Like it or not Walt entirely shapes Saul's life by Gene times. From a pure plot perspective it would be easy to avoid it entirely though: Jimmy sets up as saul, (SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS) and now he's living his life on the run. A viewer who only watched BCS wouldnt actually need to see the bad thing happen to infer that poo poo went south as a result of Jimmys life choice.
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Raxivace posted:Godfather Part II is the closest thing off of the top of my head, but IIRC you’re never actually revisiting events from the first film. Yeah, the closest that movie comes to that is the flashback sequence of Vito's birthday party in 1941, where Michael announces he's enlisted and James Caan shows up as Sonny and is pissed as hell at him. They wanted to get Brando to appear, too, but he threw a tantrum because he was feuding with someone at Paramount and didn't show up on the day he was scheduled to shoot.
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precision posted:I like some of the stuff that has come from Gus being on the show (specifically Nacho's story) but I don't like how Gus has somehow become even more superhumanly competent than he was in BB. A villain who never fucks up is not a very interesting one and right now he's like a frickin' Terminator. That's dumb, he's not done anything more impressive than the poo poo he pulled in BB, especially single handedly taking down a whole Cartel he works for at a massive power disadvantage and successfully pulling off a massive drug production operation fronted with a popular fast food restaurant. So far the best he's done is stay one step ahead of Mike, run a successful smuggling operation while his enemy gets damaged by whats basically a third party and has to depend on his services and notice that Nacho was acting like the most suspicious man on earth.
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Gus walked directly into sniper fire in Breaking Bad. If that isn’t Terminator, I don’t know what is.
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Aug 19, 2018 21:35
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Sometimes it feels like this show has two separate audiences.
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TOOT BOOT posted:Sometimes it feels like this show has two separate audiences. low IQs like the violence of the cartel scenes high IQs like the boring scenes of Saul filling out wills for old people we have to include the exciting action scenes to appease AMC and the The Walking Dead audience
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boop the snoot posted:If that isn’t Terminator, I don’t know what is. 
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