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Trin Tragula posted:Of course, when he gave the original concept his patronage at the Admiralty, Winston Churchill didn't know he was inventing tank destroyers as we know them now. His original concept was to make a gun with a mobile verandah so that artillery officers could get as close as possible to the feeling of Indian service while sitting in a muddy field in Flanders, but then natural evolution and ingenuity took over and we all know the rest of the story. Personally I can't help but think that tank destroyers as a concept would have been far more effective in actual combat situations if they'd met the original specification to carry a Nappi and a Punkah-wallah with the crew... Lol but also what did Churchill accidentally invent irl
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I do know that the name "tank destroyer" came about because the research team happened to come across another project team which was looking into ways of increasing the fuel capacities for oil-fired small warships; all they did was reverse the name and apply it to Winnie's motorised gin-palace for security reasons that other project team was, of course, working on destroyer tanks Zereth posted:What's a Nappi in this context? Google is spitting out stuff about some kind of acronym which doesn't seem relevant. A nappi was an Indian barber; it was not unheard of for British soldiers (yes, not just the hofficers, the men as well) in the Raj to be shaved in bed every morning. Trin Tragula fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Aug 18, 2018 |
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Nebakenezzer posted:It sounds more like a Leopard 1 It turned out the fancy anti-missile force field (red spotlights) on the T-90 don't work, so doctrine is back to "don't get shot."
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Actually modern tank destroyers should really be called tank cruisers
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Nebakenezzer posted:It sounds more like a Leopard 1 This isn't the first time MBT guns have gone on troop transport vehicles.
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Geisladisk posted:The "Clean Tanks" theory, which holds that almost all destroyed tanks were destroyed by tank destroyers and that tanks actually rarely if ever destroyed tanks, has repeatedly been debunked. Not according to my favorite military history YouTuber, 88888888HeilHitler88888888
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Nebakenezzer posted:It sounds more like a Leopard 1 Wouldn't something like the Wiesel TOW Carrier--for that matter, every IFV, armored car, and jeep with ATGMs attached--be tank destroyers in all but name?
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Trin Tragula posted:
I didn’t know I wanted this but I do very badly.
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FAUXTON posted:https://twitter.com/HNTurtledove/status/1030444016859369472 Now I'm wondering what happened in the other time line where Harry Turtledove wrote an alt-history novel where Donald J Trump becomes president. Maybe the less ludicrous one where Alien Space Lizards invade in the middle of WW2. From what I recall, he didn't discuss Tank Destroyers much,
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Tank Destroyers were originally developed as a way to skirt the naval treaty restrictions. The idea was that a row of tank destroyers could be parked on the deck of a ship to increase it's firepower beyond permitted levels. It was only as a desperation move that they began to be fielded on land.
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Comstar posted:Now I'm wondering what happened in the other time line where Harry Turtledove wrote an alt-history novel where Donald J Trump becomes president. Maybe the less ludicrous one where Alien Space Lizards invade in the middle of WW2. I have no doubt he has strong opinions based on who his more chill characters tend to be. Anyways, Harry Turtledove I know mentioned some sort of StuG analog that the Confederates used in his Civil War timeline books. The Alien Lizards series only mentioned the Big Cats by name or the long barreled Panzer IV's.
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Plato’s description of the tank destroyer matches closely to illustrations of tank destroyers found in modern-day Bolivia.
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The tank destroyer is always harder for the bear.
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echopapa posted:Plato’s description of the tank destroyer matches closely to illustrations of tank destroyers found in modern-day Bolivia. Half-buried gun barrels on the coast of Oregon bear Chinese proof marks and metallurgical testing has determined they were likely forged with their tank destroyer hulls around the start of the 15th century and are believed to be part of Zheng He's expeditionary armor regiment.
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There was a tank destroyer that was adopted by a polish artillery unit. It mostly just helped carry artillery shells, and the soldiers gave it lots of beer and cigarettes, but it wound up being made a corporal. It's gone on to become the most popular factoid about the polish military.
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Tank destroyers cause autism.
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You guys aren’t careful you’re gonna gently caress around too much and a sincere discussion of tank destoyer doctrine is gonna break out
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zoux posted:You guys aren’t careful you’re gonna gently caress around too much and a sincere discussion of tank destoyer doctrine is gonna break out There's no such thing.
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Sincere tank destroyer chat died in the Great Tank Destroyer Wars of 2014, there's no way that anyone would still think it's anything but fodder for dumb milhist thread injokes
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Greggster posted:The tank destroyer is always harder for the bear. nice
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Quintili Vare, give me back my tank destroyers!
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historical footage of a soldier using tank destroyer doctrine to fend off the kraut hordes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWIcVfl5g60
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Instead of tanks, the US army could equip fast, airmobile M113 APCs with ATGMs and then rush them to contain any armored breakthrough. These brigades of "JadgGavins" can replace tanks
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Alas! Poor Marder, thought of transmission fluid and died
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In an almost ritual-like manufacturing process, Tank Destroyers are built using steel folded thousands of times by master TD-forgers who spend a lifetime honing their craft. Each one is unique.
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"Lay on, MacDuff, and damned be the man who cries "hold, I'v had a tank destroyer!""
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I think what I found most interesting was the story about the guy who was sent to Europe to determine how to develop armour plating on tank destroyers. As they returned from missions most people would look at where they had bullet and panzer faust holes and armour those more, but he realized that the ones who were attacked in other parts of the plating never made it home so he started armoring those parts more heavily and survival rates increased. A lot of tank destroyers crews made it back from tank destroying runs thanks to him
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Can this cockpit hold The hedged fields of France? Or may we cram Within this metal O the very shells That did affright the air at Normandy? O, pardon! since a crooked mechanic may Attest in little place a million; And let us, ciphers to this great accompt, On your imaginary forces work. Suppose within the girdle of these chassis Are now confin'd two mighty engines, Whose high upreared and abutting guns The perilous narrow road parts asunder; Piece out our imperfections with your thoughts: Into a thousand parts divide one loader, And make imaginary puissance; Think, when we talk of tank destroyers, that you see them Printing their proud tracks i' the receiving earth.
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Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres, quorum unam incolunt Belgae, aliam Aquitani, tertiam qui ipsorum lingua destructores covinorum, nostra cannones autopropellens appellantur
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Quintili vare, tank destroyers redde.
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C’est magnifique, mais ce n’est pas le chasseur de chars
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Tevery Best posted:Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres, quorum unam incolunt Belgae, aliam Aquitani, tertiam qui ipsorum lingua destructores covinorum, nostra cannones autopropellens appellantur Gaul is entirely occupied by the Romans. Well, not entirely. One small village of indomitable tank destroyers, in Armorica...
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Trin Tragula posted:Think, when we talk of tank destroyers, that you see them
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Cato posted:Cisternina delenda est
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Slightly off topic but goddamn I was enjoying the movie Flyboys until for some reason one of the writers decided 'you know what, lets put an evil pre-Nazi German in it' for reasons? now it seems weirdly comical. I keep expecting the Nazi Baron guy to just grow fangs and start firing babies at them from his plane. Movie needs a tank destroyer scene or something to invest me again.
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The panzer in feldgrau fled across the desert, and the tank destroyer followed.
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zoux posted:You guys aren’t careful you’re gonna gently caress around too much and a sincere discussion of tank destoyer doctrine is gonna break out This is why you have an extra army or two of tank destroyer destroyers to reinforce the encirclement.
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This thread must be confusing as hell to any recent visitors now.
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love 2 read different latin words for tank
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The etymology of the word tank is Indian, which surprised me when I was researching that.
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