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Having Scotland/Wales and Great Britain in separate categories illustrates the problem with these ancestry tests; assigning haplogroups to specific world regions or nations is always arbitrary to an extent.
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Well that’s not going to piss off the Welsh and Scottish at all. As I’m sure you must be aware Celts are the much older inhabitants of Briton pushed towards the edges (and Brittany in France in the case of the very oldest inhabitants) by countless invaders through history, so yes it’s interesting and useful to separate them from the newer Norman bloodlines.
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Aug 16, 2018 07:56
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The point was that the geographical concept of Great Britain includes Scotland and Wales.
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Aug 16, 2018 08:32
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I'm not sure how effective separating 'English' ancestry from 'Celtic' ancestry is either, considering the genetic makeup of the English population has a substantial Celtic component. It probably works okay if it's a big portion of the person's ancestry but I suspect it'd become very inaccurate if the test was taken by some American with ancestors from a lot of different European countries, considering the overlap between the different 'national' population groups.
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Aug 16, 2018 09:08
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Phlegmish posted:The point was that the geographical concept of Great Britain includes Scotland and Wales. Except for the fact that Scotland and England were not unified until 1567 and the populations had been largely separated since the second century until the industrial revolution. The Scottish and Welsh have more genetically in common with the Irish than the English.
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Aug 16, 2018 09:21
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Great Britain is an island. Scotland and Wales are located on said island. Therefore, at least two of the categories used in that pie chart overlap. I assume that's why it was posted in the first place. I didn't say anything about genetics, even if I'm sceptical of the claim that there's this huge genetic difference between, say, Lowland Scots and English Northerners. Don't know much about the subject, though.
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Aug 16, 2018 09:58
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Don Gato posted:So Assassin's Creed was a documentary? 
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Aug 16, 2018 10:06
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Phlegmish posted:Great Britain is an island. Scotland and Wales are located on said island. Therefore, at least two of the categories used in that pie chart overlap. I assume that's why it was posted in the first place. Well, that and it only adds up to 98%, despite having a slice for "other".
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Aug 16, 2018 13:49
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I suspect they just truncated the decimals.
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Aug 16, 2018 14:53
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I love it when this conversation comes up because it’s exactly as uninteresting to most people as talking about which type of Pokémon you most identify with except that I have this subconscious awareness that I’m either a grass type or a fire type and I can never remember which it is or why it’s important.
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Aug 16, 2018 22:04
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Trig Discipline posted:I love it when this conversation comes up because it’s exactly as uninteresting to most people as talking about which type of Pokémon you most identify with except that I have this subconscious awareness that I’m either a grass type or a fire type and I can never remember which it is or why it’s important. It's because the first fire pokemon is #4 and the first grass pokemon is #20, so it's the blaze it combo.
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Aug 16, 2018 22:19
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Trig Discipline posted:I love it when this conversation comes up because it’s exactly as uninteresting to most people as talking about which type of Pokémon you most identify with except that I have this subconscious awareness that I’m either a grass type or a fire type and I can never remember which it is or why it’s important. My favourite part about this kind of conversation is how it's always uncomfortably close to just becoming a conversation about eugenics.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:It's because the first fire pokemon is #4 and the first grass pokemon is #20, so it's the blaze it combo.
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Aug 17, 2018 10:55
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Just lol if you don't know that bulbasaur is #1
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Red Bones posted:My favourite part about this kind of conversation is how it's always uncomfortably close to just becoming a conversation about eugenics. I’m hideously left wing so in real life it generally turns into an argument with the fash about how the genetic descendants of original inhabitants of the U.K. are in France, so no one on this rock has any sort of “right” to live on it over anyone else.
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Aug 17, 2018 11:38
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Also yeah, Jesus. And at least half of his disciples. That's a fuckup of Biblical proportions.
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learnincurve posted:I’m hideously left wing so in real life it generally turns into an argument with the fash about how the genetic descendants of original inhabitants of the U.K. are in France, so no one on this rock has any sort of “right” to live on it over anyone else. I mean, if you want to trace it all the way back, we're all African. If you go back far enough we're not even mammals.
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Aug 17, 2018 13:26
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There's something incredibly stupid about Paul Ryan finding out he's "3% Jewish" and suddenly thinking he has any claims on that heritage. When did Genes are Heritage become a thing again? And not just with white supremacists, too, at some point I watched a couple of 23andme type of videos where people were discussing their results and they found out they have 30% match with some region they hadn't heard of and suddenly they felt connected to an ethnicity associated with that area. People of all backgrounds do this. It's a back-door resurgence of scientific racism.
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Aug 17, 2018 13:33
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Absurd Alhazred posted:There's something incredibly stupid about Paul Ryan finding out he's "3% Jewish" and suddenly thinking he has any claims on that heritage. When did Genes are Heritage become a thing again? And not just with white supremacists, too, at some point I watched a couple of 23andme type of videos where people were discussing their results and they found out they have 30% match with some region they hadn't heard of and suddenly they felt connected to an ethnicity associated with that area. People of all backgrounds do this. It's a back-door resurgence of scientific racism. People without an identity, trying to find a group to belong to
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Aug 17, 2018 13:34
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They original inhabitants of Britain were neanderthals and homo sapiens figuratively and literally hosed them out of existence.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:There's something incredibly stupid about Paul Ryan finding out he's "3% Jewish" and suddenly thinking he has any claims on that heritage. When did Genes are Heritage become a thing again? And not just with white supremacists, too, at some point I watched a couple of 23andme type of videos where people were discussing their results and they found out they have 30% match with some region they hadn't heard of and suddenly they felt connected to an ethnicity associated with that area. People of all backgrounds do this. It's a back-door resurgence of scientific racism. 6% Irish Cherokee btw.
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Fathis Munk posted:Just lol if you don't know that bulbasaur is #1
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I could see an ancestry test being vaguely interesting as a curiosity, the problem only arises if you start taking it seriously or basing your identity on it.
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I keep telling my wife that her 1% Samoan result doesn't necessarily mean she had a Samoan ancestor, just that she has that marker, which could also be due to random base pair changes, but nope, I'm once again crushing her dreams. Fortunately she is well aware of identity issues and isn't about to start eating taro root and claiming an ancestral longing for the south seas.
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MrUnderbridge posted:I keep telling my wife that her 1% Samoan result doesn't necessarily mean she had a Samoan ancestor, just that she has that marker, which could also be due to random base pair changes, but nope, I'm once again crushing her dreams. What dreams does not having 1% Samoan ancestry crush?
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Andrast posted:What dreams does not having 1% Samoan ancestry crush? Do you not receive emails from your royal relatives?
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MrUnderbridge posted:I keep telling my wife that her 1% Samoan result doesn't necessarily mean she had a Samoan ancestor, just that she has that marker, which could also be due to random base pair changes, but nope, I'm once again crushing her dreams. Taro is good though, Breadfruit too
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Absurd Alhazred posted:There's something incredibly stupid about Paul Ryan finding out he's "3% Jewish" and suddenly thinking he has any claims on that heritage. When did Genes are Heritage become a thing again? And not just with white supremacists, too, at some point I watched a couple of 23andme type of videos where people were discussing their results and they found out they have 30% match with some region they hadn't heard of and suddenly they felt connected to an ethnicity associated with that area. People of all backgrounds do this. It's a back-door resurgence of scientific racism. Unsurprisingly, people cherry-pick their results to choose identities they like the sounds of and discard other ones. This is especially the case with white people who use it as a way to try on racialized identities when they feel it benefits them and drop them when they feel it doesn't, potentially perpetuating dangerous ideas that that's what race is like for everyone instead of just for people who look white.
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I'm about 25% Native American by ancestry, but I don't claim Native American heritage nor consider it part of my culture because my ancestors were mestizos.
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vyelkin posted:Unsurprisingly, people cherry-pick their results to choose identities they like the sounds of and discard other ones. This is especially the case with white people who use it as a way to try on racialized identities when they feel it benefits them and drop them when they feel it doesn't, potentially perpetuating dangerous ideas that that's what race is like for everyone instead of just for people who look white. But it does lead to the hilarity of hardcore white supremacists reacting badly to finding out they're like 30% black.
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I did 23andMe while I was working on my family genealogy and I found out I had about 1.5% African ancestry the same week I (1) saw Twelve Years a Slave and (2) learned that my family used to own slaves. Not that it's a slam dunk of any sort, but that percentage is about what you'd expect if you had one African ancestor in the 1830s-ish. That gave me some feelings, but "feeling like I suddenly get to identify as part of the African-American community" was not among them.
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Aug 17, 2018 21:30
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Andrast posted:What dreams does not having 1% Samoan ancestry crush? Well, I do often bring a little too much reality to things, like "No, we can't have alpacas, the city won't allow it", or what to do with future lottery winnings, or why we shouldn't get a westie, or in this case, that she has a broader heritage than she used to think. It's more of a running joke. I hope.
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MrUnderbridge posted:I hope. sever
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Fathis Munk posted:Just lol if you don't know that bulbasaur is #1 
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Bulbasaur: first by Pokédex number Mew: ancestor of all Pokémon Rhydon: designed first IRL Arceus: Pokémon’s creator deity
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One great thing is that you get to be in a private company's DNA database that law enforcement can then use to implicate you in crimes, as happened with the Golden State Killer. It doesn't even have to be you, someone from your family could do it! 
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Aug 18, 2018 06:26
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Good thing I'm not a serial killer
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“Interracial” is a sex act?
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