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Hoarding money in the Cayman Islands creates so much value for society, just look at how much value this society can hold. *knocks on trunk of society*
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comedyblissoption posted:Workers in a capitalist enterprise take on enormous risk regularly. Any time someone signs up for a 30 year mortgage near their workplace that's an enormous risk dependent on their conditions of employment and the relationship of the employers w/ the community. Maybe the employer decides to unilaterally move the factory to a third world country and it fucks up the entire community. Or the employer just lays them off during a recession or fires them in unjust ways while denying unemployment compensation. Maybe the employer does stupid poo poo like make their tesla factory floor look like an apple store so the rate of personal injuries are much higher. Such situations are large risks to any employee. Ever meet someone so broke that investing in a monthly bus pass rather than paying the higher per trip cash fare was a risk that would put them on the street if they didn't manage to get enough hours from the two part time jobs they were juggling? I have. gently caress capitalism.
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Aug 18, 2018 23:08
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is pepsi ok posted:Hey remember in 2008 when the banks took on all that risk, and then when it went south they paid the price for that risk while all the workers were unaffected because they weren't the ones taking on the risk? Lol
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Aug 18, 2018 23:11
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EvilJoven posted:Ever meet someone so broke that investing in a monthly bus pass rather than paying the higher per trip cash fare was a risk that would put them on the street if they didn't manage to get enough hours from the two part time jobs they were juggling? Honestly curious, what was going on there. Single parent or health problems?
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Rutibex posted:the fact is most successful capitalists are simply smarter and harder working than the average person. we should reward our smartest and hardest working with lots of money, because they will know how to best invest it and create value for society. average workers are not capable of managing their own enterprises, they just want to be told what to do and enjoy the simple pleasures of life. That's fine everyone has a place in this world. Nope. In fact the best predictor of success within the capitalist system seems to be how many sociopathic or psychopathic traits a person has. The closer to the top you are, the more likely you are to be selfish, ruthless and uncaring.
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honda whisperer posted:Honestly curious, what was going on there. Single parent or health problems? Yep, single mom. She worked at footlocker and one other place I can't remember where.
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ubachung posted:Nope. In fact the best predictor of success within the capitalist system seems to be how many sociopathic or psychopathic traits a person has. The closer to the top you are, the more likely you are to be selfish, ruthless and uncaring.  two outta three don't get you there either
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ubachung posted:Nope. In fact the best predictor of success within the capitalist system seems to be how many sociopathic or psychopathic traits a person has. The closer to the top you are, the more likely you are to be selfish, ruthless and uncaring. It also gives you brain damage. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/07/power-causes-brain-damage/528711/
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Aug 19, 2018 00:55
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SplitSoul posted:It also gives you brain damage. So "mad with power" isn't just a saying? Criminy.
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The_Franz posted:It's from the Wall Street Journal, so it's for fintech people on the coasts who actually think that making mid-six-figures puts them in the middle class because "well, we can't afford a mega yacht". If your wealth comes from your job, you are at best middle class
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Aug 19, 2018 01:30
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Rutibex posted:the fact is most successful capitalists are simply smarter and harder working than the average person. we should reward our smartest and hardest working with lots of money, because they will know how to best invest it and create value for society. average workers are not capable of managing their own enterprises, they just want to be told what to do and enjoy the simple pleasures of life. That's fine everyone has a place in this world. *does a bunch of acid* GRAHMS IM THA SMIARTEST PARSON IN THA WIORLD
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Rutibex posted:the fact is most successful capitalists are simply smarter and harder working than the average person. we should reward our smartest and hardest working with lots of money, because they will know how to best invest it and create value for society. average workers are not capable of managing their own enterprises, they just want to be told what to do and enjoy the simple pleasures of life. That's fine everyone has a place in this world. It's insane that capitalism is so effective at destroying any and all empathy people have. Like it's incredibly obvious from this post that are you are doing okay financially and have probably not been at any major risk in recent times of being evicted, having essential utilities disconnected or scrambling to get change for some canned chicken to add to your tomato soup that night. It honestly makes me wonder if I too would have this mindset had I been born into wealth and I'm not sure I wanna think about it too much
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Aug 19, 2018 02:53
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g0lbez posted:It's insane that capitalism is so effective at destroying any and all empathy people have. actually I used to be homeless, but I picked myself up by my bootstraps. surprisingly I stopped being poor once I stopped being lazy
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Rutibex posted:actually I used to be homeless, but I picked myself up by my bootstraps drat I totally 100% did not see this reply coming!!! In that case you're just an rear end in a top hat then
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Aug 19, 2018 02:57
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Rutibex posted:actually I used to be homeless, but I picked myself up by my bootstraps. surprisingly I stopped being poor once I stopped being lazy Please tell us more
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Aug 19, 2018 03:19
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if homelessness turns you into a republican thats even greater reason for expanded welfare
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Rutibex posted:actually I used to be homeless, but I picked myself up by my bootstraps. surprisingly I stopped being poor once I stopped being lazy While you haven't shared the details about your ascent from poverty, I can almost certainly say that ascent was due to good luck, a helping hand, or most likely both.
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Aug 19, 2018 03:25
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Zzulu posted:Definitely wanna be frugal with money until I'm 60+ when the good life is all but over My father worked full time as an auditor for the air force while my mother was a stay at home mom. Their plan was to get an rv and travel cross country when he retired. Then my mother died at 50. Oops.
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Aug 19, 2018 03:35
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Please do not engage Ruti "you know that woman who was killed by a nazi in charlottesville? that was actually her fault when you think about it" bex
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Aug 19, 2018 03:38
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ffs don’t reply to rubitex he misses points like he’s on the opposite of a sport team
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Aug 19, 2018 03:41
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Screaming Idiot posted:While you haven't shared the details about your ascent from poverty, I can almost certainly say that ascent was due to good luck, a helping hand, or most likely both. he's obviously bullshitting and has lived a comfortable middle-class lifestyle his entire life
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Aug 19, 2018 03:42
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Why would he lie about such a thing? The thesis that all poor people are only poor because they're lazy is rock-solid, as evidenced by the fact that billionaires are the hardest working people in America. Did you know that Elon Musk sleeps inside his factory? And assembles the cars by hand? That's why the bumpers fall off and the doors are different colors, because he's so just so tired and miserable. The Ambien and acid don't help much, either.
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Aug 19, 2018 03:46
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Rutibex posted:actually I used to be homeless, but I picked myself up by my bootstraps. surprisingly I stopped being poor once I stopped being lazy Are you saying you killed a boomer of similar appearance?
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Aug 19, 2018 03:47
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i can't even afford boot straps.
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Aug 19, 2018 03:49
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The fact that someone unironically believes that a possible solution to homelessness is "not being lazy" is just absolutely insane
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Aug 19, 2018 03:51
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conservative rhetoric is always insane and always evil, even when they pretend to care about people it’s just a deflection to hurt somebody
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Aug 19, 2018 03:54
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Tetracube posted:he's obviously bullshitting and has lived a comfortable middle-class lifestyle his entire life Oh, come on. Don't you think if he could pull that off he'd be doing it already?
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Aug 19, 2018 03:58
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So if a rich person starts getting lazy do they become poors?
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Jawdins posted:So if a rich person starts getting lazy do they become poors? its the other way around
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Screaming Idiot posted:Why would he lie about such a thing? The thesis that all poor people are only poor because they're lazy is rock-solid, as evidenced by the fact that billionaires are the hardest working people in America. Did you know that Elon Musk sleeps inside his factory? And assembles the cars by hand? That's why the bumpers fall off and the doors are different colors, because he's so just so tired and miserable. Jeff Bezos works 18-hour shifts on the floor of an Amazon warehouse!!! If you did you’d be the richest man in the world too!!!
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Aug 19, 2018 04:15
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Oddly enough, employees in the federal government get paid more like a socialist system than a capitalist one. Under normal circumstances, the average employee earns around 50-60K. For non-specialized managers/directors (people who aren't surgeons and the like) usually earn around 120K. Then again, you have the same issue where contractors are siphoning off millions is crap deals and probably giving their senator friend a kickback.
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Aug 19, 2018 04:41
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rich people are just professional golf athletes when you think about it.................
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Zzulu posted:Definitely wanna be frugal with money until I'm 60+ when the good life is all but over I think you want to hedge your bets for sure. Save a lot but enjoy yourself when you are younger as well.
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Aug 19, 2018 04:54
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Just save money guys. Just save that money you already have guys it's so goddamn simple!! Maybe instead of buying that next iPhone you can put that spare grand in a bank for emergencies you loving morons!
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Aug 19, 2018 05:36
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ubachung posted:Nope. In fact the best predictor of success within the capitalist system seems to be how many sociopathic or psychopathic traits a person has. The closer to the top you are, the more likely you are to be selfish, ruthless and uncaring. I wonder how much correlation / causation is there, like I remember that one study that found that rich people have less empathy but concluded it was likely due to the wealth isolating them socially and physically from other people so their sense of empathy kinda atrophied, rather than them being people with low empathy to begin with.
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Aug 19, 2018 05:40
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Instead of getting your pool cleaner that $100 Jungle Jim's gift certificate for Easter Sunday maybe put that in savings instead if you want to get a head start on helping your kids pay that $1000 college debt!
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Rutibex posted:actually I used to be homeless, but I picked myself up by my bootstraps. surprisingly I stopped being poor once I stopped being lazy The friends I have who were previously actually homeless for long periods of time and not made up for the internet homeless worked the hardest they have in their lives while homeless because you have to spend every moment of every day finding food that's reasonably safe to eat or screaming at another bum to keep them out of the area you've staked out to sleep at or figuring out how you'll avoid freezing to death tonight, I guess they just gotta spin those skills into a job.
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Aug 19, 2018 05:45
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g0lbez posted:Instead of getting your pool cleaner that $100 Jungle Jim's gift certificate for Easter Sunday maybe put that in savings instead if you want to get a head start on helping your kids pay that $1000 college debt! I have a $50 savings bond from when I won the science fair in like, 5th grade, and while it's been enough time that I can cash it in, as far as I know it's still not worth $50 yet 
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Aug 19, 2018 05:48
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Wait college debt is usually 20 grand now?? Haha wow how time flies huh? Anyway hon do you know if it's supposed to rain this weekend?? I was hoping to take Ricky out golfing at The Sound but I'm worried we might have to rough it at the other smaller course by the tristate if it doesn't clear up by then
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"Just spend less money" says class that relies on people spending money to keep their businesses afloat, apparently lusting for the death of the economy.
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