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Are there any good, accurate representations of 17th century pike combat? The only thing I can really think of recently is the Battle of the Bastards in GoT which is wildly (and hilariously) inaccurate and implausible even for the medieval period it's supposedly based on.
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Aug 20, 2018 17:35
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If not for the name of Henry and being born in the UK, it could be Hey Guns.
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Aug 20, 2018 17:37
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Corsair Pool Boy posted:Are there any good, accurate representations of 17th century pike combat? The only thing I can really think of recently is the Battle of the Bastards in GoT which is wildly (and hilariously) inaccurate and implausible even for the medieval period it's supposedly based on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAcoekA2Zs8 iirc Hegel has a bunch of nitpicks but this generally gets it right with the giant caveat that its a movie so don't take any real conclusions
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Aug 20, 2018 17:38
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Wow, I honestly didn't think there were still people like this. He may be a younger son, but isn't there still some expectation that he marry someone of appropriate station to benefit his family rather than some filthy commoner just because he (presumably) loves her?
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Aug 20, 2018 17:38
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I suspect this person just enjoys being an rear end in a top hat
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Aug 20, 2018 17:41
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Corsair Pool Boy posted:Wow, I honestly didn't think there were still people like this. He may be a younger son, but isn't there still some expectation that he marry someone of appropriate station to benefit his family rather than some filthy commoner just because he (presumably) loves her? Being a 21st century Jacobite isn't a posh person thing. It's a weirdo thing. I guarantee that his family will be just be grateful that they've found someone to take care of the family oddball.
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Aug 20, 2018 17:44
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In case you've not noticed, we Brits are loving weird.
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Aug 20, 2018 17:49
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Wanna meet that dude. He sounds fascinatingly awful.
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Aug 20, 2018 17:49
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Fangz posted:I suspect this person just enjoys being an rear end in a top hat Dont sign ur posts
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Aug 20, 2018 17:51
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I bet I could get him really riled up by insisting all his family's titles are illegitimate because they stem from William of Normandy's legal chicanery and invasion and that I only recognize the pre-Conquest Anglo-Saxon nobility.
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Aug 20, 2018 17:55
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I bet the dude has his own tacky modern heraldry and everything.
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Aug 20, 2018 18:03
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I stumbled on this deleted scene from "Fury" I've only seen the movie once and wasn't that into it, but I can't think of a deleted scene that so completely changes both the movies main character and the general meaning of the movie.
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Aug 20, 2018 18:10
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JcDent posted:If not for the name of Henry and being born in the UK, it could be Hey Guns.
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Aug 20, 2018 18:27
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Corsair Pool Boy posted:Wow, I honestly didn't think there were still people like this. He may be a younger son, but isn't there still some expectation that he marry someone of appropriate station to benefit his family rather than some filthy commoner just because he (presumably) loves her? also being a jacobite and also someone who owes his family station to the non-jacobite queen of england is an interesting logical dilemma
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Aug 20, 2018 18:28
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WoodrowSkillson posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAcoekA2Zs8
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Aug 20, 2018 18:29
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SeanBeansShako posted:I bet the dude has his own tacky modern heraldry and everything. I just want to know if Mrs. Rees-Mogg knows that her husband is cheating on her with this woman. In all seriousness, I knew somebody whose grandfather was a Jacobite. Really High Church, used to toast the King Over the Water.
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Aug 20, 2018 18:29
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HEY GUNS posted:lol mine doesn't fit for poo poo but a really good set that is handmade like they did at the time and fits me would start at $700 I was under the impression that Early Modern cuirasses were mostly munition pieces, made in bulk and not tailored to the person. Is that not the case ?
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Aug 20, 2018 18:54
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Corsair Pool Boy posted:The only thing I can really think of recently is the Battle of the Bastards in GoT which is wildly (and hilariously) inaccurate and implausible even for the medieval period it's supposedly based on. For me, the most implausible thing about The Battle of the Bastards is that anybody would follow Ramsey Bolton. It's not even just that Bolton is a bad person. . .his father was a bad person. Buy Ramsey is incompetant, unpredictable, has no regard for tradition and custom, and no regard for the rights and the lives of his vassals and sworn men. I mean, at one point in the battle, he orders archers to fire into his own men. At that point, if you're a Bolton knight, you say, "Screw this, I'm out of here."
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Aug 20, 2018 18:58
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Monarchies and all the silly ceremonial trappings involved with hereditary nobility amuse the hell out of me, and I'm opposed to their abolition because of that.
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Aug 20, 2018 18:59
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you really have to pay attention to issues of historical accuracy in movies with dragons
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Aug 20, 2018 19:00
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Epicurius posted:For me, the most implausible thing about The Battle of the Bastards is that anybody would follow Ramsey Bolton. It's not even just that Bolton is a bad person. . .his father was a bad person. Buy Ramsey is incompetant, unpredictable, has no regard for tradition and custom, and no regard for the rights and the lives of his vassals and sworn men. Yeah, nobody like that has ever had a large following in real life. It's so unrealistic.
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Aug 20, 2018 19:02
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Kafouille posted:I was under the impression that Early Modern cuirasses were mostly munition pieces, made in bulk and not tailored to the person. Is that not the case ?
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Aug 20, 2018 19:02
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Ramsey hosed Stannis and Co with 20 good men
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Aug 20, 2018 19:08
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Epicurius posted:For me, the most implausible thing about The Battle of the Bastards is that anybody would follow Ramsey Bolton. It's not even just that Bolton is a bad person. . .his father was a bad person. Buy Ramsey is incompetant, unpredictable, has no regard for tradition and custom, and no regard for the rights and the lives of his vassals and sworn men. Mounds of bodies 10 feet high in a battle they actually say beforehand consists of less than 5,000 troops per side. The stupid shield wall/pike thing pressing the survivors into the body mountains that professional soldiers wouldn't be able to pull off in battle conditions even with tons of training. Even setting aside the Snow army's loss of cohesion right at the start because of the pell-mell charge after the kid is shot, almost nothing that happens is realistic  Its a shame, because the cinematography following Snow in the midst of the battle is EXTRAORDINARY, it's unlike anything I've seen representing the period it's based on. And yeah, the idea that Ramsay is in control enough to have his army of dudes that (mostly, probably) are still more loyal to the Starks firing on their own friends. Rule by terror only gets you so far.The dragon attack on the wagon train felt more realistic, and it involved a loving fire-breathing dragon. WoodrowSkillson posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAcoekA2Zs8 Thanks, I'll check this out tonight. Hey Gal, what is badly inaccurate beyond standing too close? I'm more interested in the tactics and styles involved than, say, costuming inaccuracies.
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Aug 20, 2018 19:09
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HEY GUNS posted:also being a jacobite and also someone who owes his family station to the non-jacobite queen of england is an interesting logical dilemma Does he though, if his family is that old? We didn't wholesale replace our aristocracy in 1689. (Assuming this is real and assuming he isn't lying of course )
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Aug 20, 2018 19:12
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Corsair Pool Boy posted:Thanks, I'll check this out tonight. Hey Gal, what is badly inaccurate beyond standing too close? I'm more interested in the tactics and styles involved than, say, costuming inaccuracies. because they are standing too close, the musketeers in all the shots with musketeers in them stand in front of the pike rather than between them. the small distance between everyone also forces the musketeers to struggle past the pikemen when they come up to fire. it's as though the choreographers knew that musketeers had a rotating thing where the first guy in line fired, then turned around and walked to the end of the line, but they didn't know how this would work because--again--everyone's too close together edit: there are some things a battalion does that is not pike interspersed with shot, a long time ago rabhadh posted a diagram of them. I don't think the battalion in this clip is trying to do that though. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Aug 20, 2018 |
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Aug 20, 2018 19:13
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bewbies posted:you really have to pay attention to issues of historical accuracy in movies with dragons Yeah, I'm aware. I just explained why above  Milo and POTUS posted:Ramsey hosed Stannis and Co with 20 good men Eh, that was a raid on dudes already losing hope and starving at night in the middle of nowhere. They didn't really make a pitched fight of it either, they just killed horses, started fires, and got the gently caress out. 20 is low, but not extremely so. Remember, that also happened right after everyone watched Stannis burn his daughter at the stake, too. Bad for morale, that. The major effects on Stannis were the desertions that followed and loss of food more than the raid itself.
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Aug 20, 2018 19:14
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What poo poo is this? "Final Solution" is a direct translation of "Endlösung", a phrase "Nazi Command" uttered all the loving time. How can someone be so stupid and not just choke because they forgot how to breath?  Edit: In diesem einen Satz ist soviel Doofheit konzentriert, er steht in ernsthafter Gefahr, unter seinem eigenen Gewicht zusammenzubrechen und zu einem Schwarzen Loch der Dummheit zu werden.
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Aug 20, 2018 19:42
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I was expecting this to be about Henry VIII, alas the ages don't match.
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Aug 20, 2018 19:55
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I was waiting for a punchline, where it's revealed that whoever posted this was pretending to be some historical figure.
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Aug 20, 2018 21:12
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bewbies posted:I stumbled on this deleted scene from "Fury" The sentiment of the crew seeking death for their sins is already in the film. Wardaddy is a German-American whose self-hatred is on display throughout the movie, particularly so in the scene with the German women. Other crew members affirm to Norman their suspicions that they are going to hell. I think it's a little disappointing that the forceful orders only seems to press on Norman, because it gives the impression that he's merely being bullied or witnessing tragedies rather than being absorbed into a hellish environment. Norman going off on a quasi-supernatural bit about being born in the caul seems weird but I don't remember the movie that well and haven't watched any other scenes, it could be alright. The field of dead holocaust victims in their striped uniforms seems more like a shallow afterthought than anything meaningful. Also there's a shot at the end of the movie where the Sherman tank is Jesus Christ on a cross. bewbies posted:you really have to pay attention to issues of historical accuracy in movies with dragons They're mostly just bad because people fail to act like human beings, any extra or band of soldiers is totally meaningless in the series because they will be thrown away or win spectacularily based on whatever the plot demands. It's a story about a fantasy medieval world, except all the nobility and their soldiers are destroyed at like a 90% casualty rate. You'd think the peasants would have just formed their own society at this point.
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Aug 20, 2018 21:12
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This is absolutely insane.
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Corsair Pool Boy posted:Thanks, I'll check this out tonight. Hey Gal, what is badly inaccurate beyond standing too close? I'm more interested in the tactics and styles involved than, say, costuming inaccuracies. irl infantry flags are like...six feet square
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Aug 20, 2018 21:21
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Aug 20, 2018 21:23
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WoodrowSkillson posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAcoekA2Zs8 Actually, speaking of this, the artillery barrage at the beginning appears to depict exploding shot; was that at all common during this period for a field battle? It's obviously preferable for a safety of filming perspective, but it strikes me as unlikely to be accurate, and also just less effective than solid shot at breaking apart a mass of dudes like that.
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Aug 20, 2018 21:54
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAcoekA2Zs8 The tactics of the cavalry doesn't seem terribly sensible. Pretty sure they didn't shoot their pistols into the air like cowboys in a Western. The guys with cavalry and artillery don't seem to use them very cohesively. I thought you're supposed to use the cavalry to make them form squares, then shoot the squares with cannon? Fangz fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Aug 20, 2018 |
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Aug 20, 2018 22:07
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Fangz posted:The tactics of the cavalry doesn't seem terribly sensible. Pretty sure they didn't shoot their pistols into the air like cowboys in a Western. It's indirect fire at squares over the hill.
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Aug 20, 2018 22:13
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I watched a video in which a guy was talking about the defenses they put up on one beach in Britain and there were mounted flamethrowers buried in the sand. Was that sort of thing done anywhere else, and if so, how effective is it? It certainly looks scary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl2mQ2HiJZc
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SlothfulCobra posted:I watched a video in which a guy was talking about the defenses they put up on one beach in Britain and there were mounted flamethrowers buried in the sand. Was that sort of thing done anywhere else, and if so, how effective is it? It certainly looks scary. At least the USSR had them as well. They were classified as incendiary mines, but were really just tanks of fuel with nozzles sticking out toward the enemy advance.  FOG-2
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