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PittTheElder posted:Actually, speaking of this, the artillery barrage at the beginning appears to depict exploding shot; was that at all common during this period for a field battle? It's obviously preferable for a safety of filming perspective, but it strikes me as unlikely to be accurate, and also just less effective than solid shot at breaking apart a mass of dudes like that. Koreans (and I expect Chinese too) used exploding shot fairly extensively during the Imjin War, well before Rocroi, and their cannons would have been less sophisticated at the time too. East Asian gunpowder mighta emphasized exploding stuff more than European stuff did though, I'm not sure.
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Aug 20, 2018 22:40
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Fangz posted:The tactics of the cavalry doesn't seem terribly sensible. Pretty sure they didn't shoot their pistols into the air like cowboys in a Western. quote:The guys with cavalry and artillery don't seem to use them very cohesively. I thought you're supposed to use the cavalry to make them form squares, then shoot the squares with cannon?
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Aug 20, 2018 23:17
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HEY GUNS posted:that's a reenactor thing, never actually point a firearm at someone because even blank shots can kill Yep, this is why in Gettysburg in the shots where you actually have both shooter and shootee in frame, they're aiming high. Most of the time they try to edit it so they can show the shooters shooting straight.
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Aug 20, 2018 23:52
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chitoryu12 posted:At least the USSR had them as well. They were classified as incendiary mines, but were really just tanks of fuel with nozzles sticking out toward the enemy advance. This is like one step above something you'd use in Metro 2033.
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Aug 21, 2018 00:57
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You can also improvise them by putting a drum full of fuel/oil and rocks into a angled hole with some explosives at the bottom.
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Aug 21, 2018 01:18
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HEY GUNS posted:that's a reenactor thing, never actually point a firearm at someone because even blank shots can kill Doesn't seem like a very accurate reenactment if nobody dies.
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Aug 21, 2018 01:59
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Tevery Best posted:By the 17th century pretty much nobody uses those anymore, so the armour becomes an expensive luxury that serves little practical purpose. Didn't the French cuirassiers continue the armor well into WWI? At that point the saber was an expensive luxury with little practical purpose, but they still carried them and the chestplates that had been obsolete for ~200 years. Modern heavy cav/lancers are the same idea, tbh. Just in tanks.
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Aug 21, 2018 04:36
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WoodrowSkillson posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAcoekA2Zs8 That is oddly close to what I was imagining, ty. Even when they get up to each other and start piking they don't close ranks with the gunners in the middle?
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Aug 21, 2018 05:32
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SlothfulCobra posted:I watched a video in which a guy was talking about the defenses they put up on one beach in Britain and there were mounted flamethrowers buried in the sand. Was that sort of thing done anywhere else, and if so, how effective is it? It certainly looks scary. I'm currently not near a WiFi signal so I can't watch the video but it seems like they're talking about a fougasse. Supposedly they were used in Stalingrad as well as the desperate last defense in Berlin, but the basic concept dates back hundreds of years, just with rocks instead of a high level DnD spell worth of fire. They were also used in the Vietnam and Korean wars to terrifying effect. Not to be confused with a fougasse, which is a delicious type of bread from Provence.
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Aug 21, 2018 05:42
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Chillbro Baggins posted:Didn't the French cuirassiers continue the armor well into WWI? At that point the saber was an expensive luxury with little practical purpose, but they still carried them and the chestplates that had been obsolete for ~200 years. Yeah, I think cuirasses survived all the way through World War I, at which point they were superseded by similar sentry armor. Then the history of armor continues into stuff like flak vests and proceeds to Kevlar.
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Aug 21, 2018 05:45
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Epicurius posted:For me, the most implausible thing about The Battle of the Bastards is that anybody would follow Ramsey Bolton. It's not even just that Bolton is a bad person. . .his father was a bad person. Buy Ramsey is incompetant, unpredictable, has no regard for tradition and custom, and no regard for the rights and the lives of his vassals and sworn men. Fantasy Dirlewanger brigade!
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Don Gato posted:I'm currently not near a WiFi signal so I can't watch the video but it seems like they're talking about a fougasse. Supposedly they were used in Stalingrad as well as the desperate last defense in Berlin, but the basic concept dates back hundreds of years, just with rocks instead of a high level DnD spell worth of fire. They were also used in the Vietnam and Korean wars to terrifying effect. quote:In Britain, during WWII, the flame fougasse was usually constructed from a 40-gallon drum dug into the roadside and camouflaged. It would be placed at a location such as a corner, steep incline or roadblock where vehicles would be obliged to slow down. Ammonal provided the propellant charge which, when triggered, caused the weapon to shoot a flame 10 feet (3.0 m) wide and 30 yards (27 m) long. Initially a mixture of 40% petrol and 60% gas oil was used; this was later replaced by an adhesive gel of tar, lime and petrol known as 5B. 
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Aug 21, 2018 07:27
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SlothfulCobra posted:I watched a video in which a guy was talking about the defenses they put up on one beach in Britain and there were mounted flamethrowers buried in the sand. Was that sort of thing done anywhere else, and if so, how effective is it? It certainly looks scary. Germans had automated flamethrowers buried in sand in Normandy. I saw couple of those in D-Day museum. It sounds scary, but a buried flamethrower is just as inefficient as you might think. Frightening for the first time, but then you just walk around it.
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Aug 21, 2018 07:48
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In the Alatriste clip there's a bunch of the cav coming so close to the pikes that they are stabbed, or even attempting to ride into the square, that's added for dramatic purposes, right? No reason that should happen outside isolated horse control oopsies?
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Aug 21, 2018 08:51
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Pyle posted:Germans had automated flamethrowers buried in sand in Normandy. I saw couple of those in D-Day museum. It sounds scary, but a buried flamethrower is just as inefficient as you might think. Frightening for the first time, but then you just walk around it. I mean, if it's command-fired, it should be as scary as a flaming Claymore mine.
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Aug 21, 2018 09:03
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Pyle posted:Germans had automated flamethrowers buried in sand in Normandy. I saw couple of those in D-Day museum. It sounds scary, but a buried flamethrower is just as inefficient as you might think. Frightening for the first time, but then you just walk around it. The brits had quite a lot more accelerant to play with than the Germans. The site discussed in the video is a beach bounded by cliffs and bluffs to either side, and the flamethrowers stretch the entire width of the beach.
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Aug 21, 2018 09:26
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Pyle posted:Germans had automated flamethrowers buried in sand in Normandy. I saw couple of those in D-Day museum. It sounds scary, but a buried flamethrower is just as inefficient as you might think. Frightening for the first time, but then you just walk around it. I don't know about you but if the guys in front of me just got incinerated by a 30 foot flame I wouldn't be in a hurry to rush forward in case there was another fougasse behind that one to catch people that walked around the first one.
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Aug 21, 2018 10:17
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Were those things activated during D Day? I don't think I've seen them in any movies etc and you'd think filmmakers would love them.
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Aug 21, 2018 12:29
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aphid_licker posted:In the Alatriste clip there's a bunch of the cav coming so close to the pikes that they are stabbed, or even attempting to ride into the square, that's added for dramatic purposes, right? No reason that should happen outside isolated horse control oopsies? Speaking of horses charging long sharp sticks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-G1BME8FKw Looks like the battle of Stirling Bridge is gonna have a bridge this time!
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Today i learned the uss bowfin sunk a bus, which is an odd thing for a submarine to do. Also, destroyed instead of sunk might be more correct. It happened to be on a pier when a moored merchant man was torpedoed.
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Aug 21, 2018 16:06
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BattleMoose posted:Today i learned the uss bowfin sunk a bus, which is an odd thing for a submarine to do. Yes, it's on their flag:  Did you take the tour in Hawaii?
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Aug 21, 2018 16:57
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Cessna posted:Yes, it's on their flag: They sunk a French ship?
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Aug 21, 2018 17:03
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Fangz posted:They sunk a French ship? A Vichy French cargo ship, yeah.
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Aug 21, 2018 17:05
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zoux posted:Speaking of horses charging long sharp sticks Hmmm. I'm a bit torn about the language. It would have been cool, and as far as I know historically accurate, to have him speaking early Scots. But I can also see the logic in giving him a posh SSE accent, which is a decent modern equivalent to the Anglo-Norman culture he was from. Weapons and armour look ok to me, a lay person. What does the thread think?
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_G._Sebold Im flabbergasted by how bad the nazis were at espionage. So they kidnap an German-American immigrant and work him over for a few weeks, trying to coerce the poor guy into spying for the Reich. Before even leaving Germany, Sebold the spy visits an American consulate and reveals the plot to the FBI. The feds install a fuckin two-way mirror into Sebold's office in America, and literally watch the entirety of the Nazi spy ring operating in the USA stop by one by one with incriminating evidence or seditious dialogues, and then swoops them all up and leaves the Abwehr with nothing.
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_G._Sebold germans were bad at espionage during ww1 as well, one bright spark walked on down to the local authorities (he was in britain) and demanded they stop monitoring his affairs they hadn't been, until then edit: they are also bad at espionage right now, one german spy who was an ISIS double agent was busted when he basically told a bunch of people what he was doing with so many details they arrested him the next day. also he was a porn star and used his stage name to spy with https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/german-spy-islamist-bomb-plot-gay-porn-actor-a7449356.html HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Aug 21, 2018 |
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In fairness wasn't the head of the Abwehr outright betraying the Nazis because he turned on them after seeing how brutal they were in conquest?
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Aug 21, 2018 17:52
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I mean the US recently lost their entire Chinese spy network because they relied on NordVPN for infosec...
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Night10194 posted:In fairness wasn't the head of the Abwehr outright betraying the Nazis because he turned on them after seeing how brutal they were in conquest?
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Aug 21, 2018 17:54
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We are not a subtle people
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aphid_licker posted:We are not a subtle people you also (seemingly?) have no sense of irony
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Aug 21, 2018 18:09
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So you're saying the French are very good at spying.
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Aug 21, 2018 18:10
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Comrade Gorbash posted:So you're saying the French are very good at spying. 
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Mostly just riffing off the no sense of irony and no subtlety being why Germans are bad at spying. But now I wish I could read that thesis.
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Aug 21, 2018 19:04
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aphid_licker posted:We are not a subtle people I mean your beer and food is loud and brash and that is alright.
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Aug 21, 2018 19:25
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P-Mack posted:I mean the US recently lost their entire Chinese spy network because they relied on NordVPN for infosec... want to hear about this one
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Aug 21, 2018 19:43
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SeanBeansShako posted:I mean your beer and food is loud and brash and that is alright. See also: techno
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Azerban posted:want to hear about this one Bunch of people get dragged out of their chairs and shot in the back of the head for spying, starting a few years back. Speculation about how they all got found out, whether it was a mole or double agent or whatever. Finally turns out CIA tools for secure electronic communication that they use less sophisticated Middle Eastern countries are unsafe when you try to use them on the wrong side of the Great Firewall. From what I read it's less that they cracked the encryption and more that there was some yospos evidence linking the connection used to the CIA so anyone using it at all was a red flag.
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HEY GUNS posted:i think this is it to be honest On the other hand they’re REALY good at spying on each other
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