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Vitamin P posted:Even then it won't. There'll be constant threats and allusions about the 'the dark old days'. So Labour doesn’t actually have an antisemitism problem, it’s actually just that Jews are bullying Labour?
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what has it set for digiboris's racism stat probably too low
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hakimashou posted:So Labour doesn’t actually have an antisemitism problem, it’s actually just that Jews are bullying Labour? Do you not remember that report into antisemitism? Labour has no more of an antisemitism problem than any other UK party. Just FYI that second part of your post is very stupid and actively dangerous. I very obviously said that the smear campaign was best understood using the same methods we understand bullying with, that's true of smear campaigns in general. The dangerous part is that you are conflating a few bad actors with 'Jews' in general. Mr Goldstein down the street has nothing to do with people running a smear campaign, he has no responsibility whatsoever for their actions. The Israeli government committing war crimes does not mean jewish people broadly are responsible for war crimes. A right wing smear campaign does not mean jewish people broadly are responsible for disingenuous reporting. In both cases specific groups are using jewish people as a shield and saying that attacks on the specific group are actually an attack on jewishness itself. No, "jews are not bullying Labour" you dense gently caress. You can't blame a whole group of people for the actions of a few, that's how bigotry thrives and we all have to be better than that.
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I'm pretty sure at least half of it isn't actually Jews, and the ones that are actually Jews say the Jews that vote Labour aren't the right kind of Jews.
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its hakimashou he's just trying to get a rise out of you
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welp
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pack it in sex havers
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Aug 22, 2018 13:26
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Something something transmitted via electrical banana.
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Aug 22, 2018 13:30
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Should be renamed Donaldtrumpitis IMO
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volcel supremacy
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game is tight. If you navigate towards a soft brexit: "The prime minister explains there is no alternative, but many Tories are contemptuous. Boris Johnson writes in the Telegraph that the deal is a “suppurating, servile, snivelling surrender.” Jacob Rees-Mogg compares the prime minister to Gaius Terentius Varro, a commander responsible for one of the worst military defeats in Roman history. With so much hostility, the plan can only pass if some Labour MPs back it."
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i did that then it had corbyn whipping against a soft brexit
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Aug 22, 2018 13:44
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Jose posted:i did that then it had corbyn whipping against a soft brexit
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Aug 22, 2018 13:46
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A human extinction advocacy terrorist group have developed an anti-sex memetic agent causing victims to imagine John Majors rotting genitals. It proves to be unstoppable and the last human dies in 2075.
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Aug 22, 2018 13:47
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Well to be fair they have to make a lot of assumptions to assign a Brexit policy to Corbyn.
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marktheando posted:Well to be fair they have to make a lot of assumptions to assign a Brexit policy to Corbyn.
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Is he a skeptic because the EU is a lot of neoliberal nonsense ?
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euphronius posted:Is he a skeptic because the EU is a lot of neoliberal nonsense ? Of the EU? Yes, and rightly so
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euphronius posted:Is he a skeptic because the EU is a lot of neoliberal nonsense ? Once again I need to point out in what is obstensibly the ukpol thread do you not know who Tony Benn is
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tony benn died and saddled us iwth his son i think its time to give it a rest. poo poo has changed since he was important
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I don't see why knowledge of a children's cartoon character from 1971 is relevant today. But then Rees-Mogg is out of a Dickensian novel, so what do I know?
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Aug 22, 2018 15:28
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Theresa May is like some kind of easily flustered villain that would be defeated by a group of schoolchildren in a made for TV movie
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Byolante posted:Once again I need to point out in what is obstensibly the ukpol thread do you not know who Tony Benn is lol
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Jose posted:i did that then it had corbyn whipping against a soft brexit tbh i'd be pretty unsurprised if that happened
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Does the Labour leadership have an articulated position on what kind of Brexit they want/would regard as acceptable? Or are they just praying that the government doesn't fall before 3/29?
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Does the Labour leadership have an articulated position on what kind of Brexit they want/would regard as acceptable? Or are they just praying that the government doesn't fall before 3/29? they have a list of conditions for what they'd consider acceptable that kinda points to a soft brexit but the messaging is VERY bets-hedging-type stuff
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As of now their position is they don’t have to do the impossible act that is making a Brexit deal that isn’t a turd so like gently caress they’re gonna volunteer to try.
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Aug 22, 2018 17:26
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But like, a general election before the Brexit deadline is a real potential danger, right?
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Aug 22, 2018 17:28
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It is the final Hail Mary that May might use when all other options seem hosed. Still until Labour wins and election they’re not gonna bother to say what their Brexit policy is in detail because they get nothing out of doing that except more dumb party infighting.
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I meant that in the sense of "potential danger to Labour, who will be ultraturbofucked if they win."
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Aug 22, 2018 17:33
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:Does the Labour leadership have an articulated position on what kind of Brexit they want/would regard as acceptable? Or are they just praying that the government doesn't fall before 3/29? - No no-deal Brexit (completely not in their hands, it's up to the EU) - Dreams of a huge amount of State Aid breaking investment (which the EU would respond to by tariffing British products to protect itself, obviously) - Keep the good stuff - Some of kind of management of immigration involving visas and employer sponsorship (again not really in their hands) There are also a number of ~tests~ that Keir Starmer says Brexit has to pass about customs and free movement and protecting this and that, which it obviously won't. On the other hand there are multiple Labour MPs that have come out and called Starmer a gobshite on TV like John Mann; the left-wing base of the party is incredibly thirsty for Corbyn to come out against Brexit, which they don't want, which he won't (this is why it wasn't on the agenda at the last conference), so the whole thing is a mess.
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If Labour win they get an extension to the leave date and then just do an insanely soft Brexit, tell everyone complaining to gently caress off and move on with governing. The one fight might be over State Aid rules, but beyond that there’s not really much about Brexit worth putting up a fight over on the left
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Fans posted:If Labour win they get an extension to the leave date
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Aug 22, 2018 17:37
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Barnier has already said an election would allow for an extension.
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Fans posted:Barnier has already said an election would allow for an extension.
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Yes and he is their head negotiator and relays things they’re agreed on. It’s not like ours who just make poo poo up, they actually know what they’re doing
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This "Brexit" seems like a really bad idea. You guys shouldn't have done it.
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Doing bad things we shouldn’t have is the one tradition we have as a country, we can’t stop now
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