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I thought the scar was like a vertical slash that ran all the way from right above the eye town his cheek and then across his nose. So when I saw the partially healed scar in TLJ I just assumed it was being gradually healed by bacta-tech or whatever and the part we see in TLJ is just the last portion still left that hasn't quite healed yet.
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Kylo Ren's scar abides by the same rules as Richard Lewis' mole in Robin Hood Men in Tights
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PostNouveau posted:You joke, but give them enough time and they'll run out of EU ideas and have to go "well, what if we did a book about what happens between TFA and TLJ" even though it's like a week tops, and this will be part of it. There’s a comic that takes place after TLJ but has flashbacks to other parts that weren’t explained nor needed to be, like how Poe survived. https://www.slashfilm.com/after-star-wars-the-last-jedi/
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Basebf555 posted:I thought the scar was like a vertical slash that ran all the way from right above the eye town his cheek and then across his nose. So when I saw the partially healed scar in TLJ I just assumed it was being gradually healed by bacta-tech or whatever and the part we see in TLJ is just the last portion still left that hasn't quite healed yet. Rian Johnson said he decided to move the scar just because he thought it would look better.
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No Mods No Masters posted:The correct course of action is for the story group to commission an additional story explaining Kylo Ren's trip to the plastic surgeon. Though they haven't commissioned such a story yet, we have to assume they will and act as if they already have The most important question to be answered for my purposes, speaking as a faithful hafiz who has committed to memory all the most important details contained in the Journal of the Whills as revealed by the prophet Hidalgo and his companions, is what the New Republic renamed the Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center (EmPalSuRecon). I speak, of course, of the facility formerly known as the Chancellor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center (ChanPalSuRecon).
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Aug 23, 2018 20:38
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thrawn527 posted:Rian Johnson said he decided to move the scar just because he thought it would look better. B-b-b-but the Story Group tells directors what to do!!! 
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Aug 23, 2018 20:40
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Wheat Loaf posted:B-b-b-but the Story Group tells directors what to do!!! This is like I was saying, the nanosecond a director wants to do something different than what the Story Group says, the canon will change. So what good is the Story Group then?
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Bonaventure posted:the Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center Holy gently caress. That must be where Kylo went!
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PostNouveau posted:This is like I was saying, the nanosecond a director wants to do something different than what the Story Group says, the canon will change. So what good is the Story Group then? It’s good for those trash books.
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PostNouveau posted:This is like I was saying, the nanosecond a director wants to do something different than what the Story Group says, the canon will change. So what good is the Story Group then? I think it depends on what the proposed change is and who the director is. The placement of a scar? Sure, I doubt that was much of a fight(although I bet he had to sit in at least one unnecessary meeting about it). But if Rian Johnson had come and said he wanted to like, open the movie at Lando's funeral or something, I think there would've been a lot more pushback on that one. And it's probably why we won't ever see Star Wars directed by Spielberg or Cameron or Ridley Scott or any of the old school guys who have the clout to overrule Kennedy. They purposely aren't going to hire those guys because they want to avoid that situation where they're forced to either swallow an idea they don't want to accept or fire a legend like Spielberg or Cameron, which would be a much larger controversy than firing an unknown guy like Trevvorow.
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PostNouveau posted:This is like I was saying, the nanosecond a director wants to do something different than what the Story Group says, the canon will change. So what good is the Story Group then? 
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Basebf555 posted:I think it depends on what the proposed change is and who the director is. The placement of a scar? Sure, I doubt that was much of a fight(although I bet he had to sit in at least one unnecessary meeting about it). But if Rian Johnson had come and said he wanted to like, open the movie at Lando's funeral or something, I think there would've been a lot more pushback on that one. I dunno they let him kill Luke and Akbar, Lando's probably somewhere in the middle.
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Kylo Ren's scar abides by the same rules as Richard Lewis' mole in Robin Hood Men in Tights Or Igor's hump in Young Frankenstein.
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No Mods No Masters posted:It takes a real lemming to take a company on its word that the canon will be consistent and immutable henceforth, moments after they threw out all the old canon because it was convenient to do so it still kinda cracks me up that the first thing they did after ditching the old eu which got mocked for having increasingly bigger and more ridiculous superweapons was to introduce a big and ridiculous superweapon
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PostNouveau posted:I dunno they let him kill Luke and Akbar, Lando's probably somewhere in the middle. We have no reason to assume they didn't like Johnson's idea for Luke in TLJ(Hamill has said he wasn't in love with it but that's just Hamill). The reason I bring up killing Lando is because they obviously had plans for him with Glover being so popular and then the announcement that Williams would appear in Episode IX. They wouldn't go along with an idea that would cut off the story potential of a beloved character from OT that hadn't been properly utilized in the sequels yet.
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The only explanation for Kylo’s scar being in a different place is that the would he received in TFA healed completely but he received a diffuser that, but similar, wound, prior to TLJ. He received this in a battle with Chewbacca, who is now dead. The Chewbacca we see in TLJ is a different Wookiee, coincidentally also named Chewbacca. A third and still different Chewbacca was crushed by a moon.
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Aug 23, 2018 21:08
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I still think they'll figure out some way to have Chewie get crushed by a moon eventually. Why not?
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Aug 23, 2018 21:14
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cuntman.net posted:it still kinda cracks me up that the first thing they did after ditching the old eu which got mocked for having increasingly bigger and more ridiculous superweapons was to introduce a big and ridiculous superweapon It's been interesting watching them repeat every mistake of the old canon all over again. Solo especially is full of this. They were willing to buy star wars for billions of dollars but at the prospect of anyone important reading legends wookieepedia articles or theforce.net to understand past mistakes they noped out, and that might be the single funniest thing about the whole shitshow The one mistake they haven't repeated, over-reliance on OT characters, they managed to gently caress up in a different way. All around 
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The Story Group seems to serve the purpose of the rainbow at the end of the Deluge. A covenant to assure the fans that never again will Disney wipe their beloved canon from existence and they are safe to buy all the new books and start learning all the new trivia, because this time it's real! All of it! Not just G, T or C-level real.
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Pablo Nergigante posted:What if Pablo Hidalgo of the Story Group was running a Star Wars tabletop RPG game. Amusingly enough, there were a few episodes of Rebels that were inspired by old Star Wars RPGs that I think it was Dave Filoni played
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Most Star Wars media is basically aimed at children; the novels tend to be YA at most. I wonder what children and teenagers think about canon. 
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Vinylshadow posted:Amusingly enough, there were a few episodes of Rebels that were inspired by old Star Wars RPGs that I think it was Dave Filoni played Rebels and Rogue One initially got my hopes up that they had learned from history and would integrate the good parts of the EU while leaving behind the bad ones and make the original stuff not get out of hand. Then of course they dash my hopes with everything else. I should have known better after TFA literally had a super weapon that was the Galaxy Gun, Suncrusher, and Star Forge combined.
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What has the Storygruppe actually done? Jivjov clearly believes they’re a hyper vigilant academie francaise of sorts that can independently commision works and has veto power over every level of the creative processes behind any Star Wars branded work, but there seems to be very little documentary evidence supporting this viea. With all the production details that have been posted, it seems odd that jivjov’s evidence for their power seems to amount to a pinky swear from Disney to never ever produce contradictory materials again. To put it bluntly, is there even any evidence the story group exists, outside of like a listserv a bunch of copyeditors got added to and promptly ignored? Does it have personnel, outside of Pablo Hidalgo, whose actual job seems to be entirely community management? Does it have a budget? Meetings?
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What’s really interesting to me is that Jivjov isn’t even familiar with how the canon works. “There's no story past Episode 6. There's just no story. [Star Wars] is a certain story about Anakin Skywalker and, once Anakin Skywalker dies, that's kind of the end of the story. There is no story about Luke Skywalker [past Episode 6], I mean apart from the books. But there are three worlds: there's my world that I made up, there's the licensing world (that's the books, the comics, the games - all that kind of stuff) which is their world, and then there's the fans' world (which is also very rich in imagination).” -George Lucas Star Wars has always been a triad of the Lucas films, licensed media, and fanfiction. Although fans might remember a stupid five-level ‘GTSCN’ system of canonicity, those are all merely subcategories of licensed media. Canon and Non-Canon alike are both equally subordinate to the actual story in the films. When, under Disney ownership, all things were declared “equally canon” what that actually meant is that all things became licensed media. Even Episode 7 and 8 are licensed media: “their world”. This is the ‘world’ in which ‘Jov is trapped. Since analyses like mine are based purely on the text of the films, they are actually the highest level of media, beyond canon. I rival or surpass George Lucas.
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 Pictured here, the Story Group officially partitions the field of Star Wars into post and pre-Legends canonicity.
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Jivjov, my dude, you really need to give your thoughts on Dameron's Fart. There are two sources for the wedding -- one, where the X-Wing pilots all stand around farting, and another, published later, where they do not. Both sources depict the same event. Which one is canon?
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:Jivjov, my dude, you really need to give your thoughts on Dameron's Fart. There are two sources for the wedding -- one, where the X-Wing pilots all stand around farting, and another, published later, where they do not. Both sources depict the same event. Which one is canon? Both are canon. One just neglects to mention the flatulence
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jivjov posted:Both are canon. One just neglects to mention the flatulence Impossible. Consider the scale, intensity and intricately described onomatopoeia of the first source when compared to the entire lack of it in the second. It's pretty clearly a case of someone realizing what they'd let wander into 'it's all true, all of it' canon and frantically finding a way to undo it.
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jivjov posted:Both are canon. One just neglects to mention the flatulence With this same rationalization, we can say that they simply neglected to mention that Tatooine became Jakku. But that’s unnecessary, since it’s already been proven that Tatooine is Jakku.
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jivjov posted:Both are canon. One just neglects to mention the flatulence This logic and vocabulary of “canon” is so massively biblical I can’t help but laugh. Like this actual argument came up at Nicaea; it’s uncanny
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Waffles Inc. posted:This logic and vocabulary of “canon” is so massively biblical I can’t help but laugh "Logic," hahahahah
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Waffles Inc. posted:This logic and vocabulary of “canon” is so massively biblical I can’t help but laugh. Like this actual argument came up at Nicaea; it’s uncanny It's Nicaea but instead of discussing whether or not Christ said it was okay to rape women it's whether or not Poe went on a farting spree at a wedding.
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