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Aug 23, 2018 23:17
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Moderates Moderation (and modernization) forever! Iberia is unified, our colonies strong, and now we shall be the workshop of the world once more!
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Aug 23, 2018 23:25
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Moderates Tactical vote to deny the socialists power.
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Aug 23, 2018 23:26
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Red John posted:Moderates Shouldn't you be in prison? 
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Aug 23, 2018 23:32
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Only through Moderation will Al-Andalus become strong!
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Aug 23, 2018 23:32
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Changing my vote to Socialists. The intent to dissolve out alliance with Japan annoys me but But maybe for once the Majlis should do the Right Thing.
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Aug 23, 2018 23:35
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Socialists, even though I really don't like some of their policies I don't think I can handle voting for moderates when we have basically zero reforms
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Aug 23, 2018 23:38
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Moderates!
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Aug 23, 2018 23:42
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Seems like the modernists might have the right idea this round? Al Andalus is incredibly isolated, and I'm not sure it can stand up to another European war on its own. Although the United Republic are the same losers the Celts have always been, and I'm not confident about the Hanoverian North Germans being enough of a bulwark on their own. They did take the SGU on successfully though...Is Russia 100% off the table? Would it be possible at all to worm into an alliance with them? The only reason the first alliance with France soured was because they joined up with Morocco, and now they're only very loosely opposed to Al Andalus through backing the other horse in the fight between China and Japan. How exactly does it work when alliance networks connect enemies? Royalists, as ever, have a very attractive platform of pretty borders, and it'd sure be neat to sphere some countries. If Al Andalus went and sphered Provence and Italy, it'd basically be the revival of the Tirruni empire. Always a nice thought. It's not like trampling over Europeans should be that much worse than trampling over South Asians and Africans. Imperialists have gone far enough, and the socialists are too much of a poison pill this time round to consider. You had plenty of chances to go socialist before, and you missed your chance. Now is not the time to let all of Europe ally against Al Andalus the next time a war breaks out. Snipee posted:Anyways, can someone please explain to me why getting tied up with a bunch of military alliances during an extremely volatile period is somehow safer than isolationism? Germany has yet to be unified. Russia and Japan are likely to get into a conflict over Siberia. The Celts and French are still regularly declaring wars on each other. Why should we touch the poop of international relations? Because there's basically a snowball's chance in hell that Al Andalus could sit out the next world war and you know it. 0% chance. Who are you kidding? #1 great power? Already allied to the #3 great power who is angling for a fight for China and making imperial grabs halfway across the globe? Spread out across the four corners of the earth? Most of Europe hates you? In what world does this massive empire manage to just shrug its way around the next big war and not get caught with most of its troops abroad trying to stabilize its imperial possessions while the armies of Europe just walk up and kick down the front door? Also, is there any Risorgimento thing going on between Italy, lil' Palermo, and Provence? That'd be an excellent flashpoint for everything to kick off around. The balkans have been...bizarrely stable, although I guess Greece is due for some kind of fascist takeover eventually? catlord posted:We better not be competing with Benin! They're great, they totally deserve all of West Africa and I say we help them take it. Guang had Kazakhstan, did they make them a vassal? Considering how things historically worked with colonization, it doesn't really matter what policy the mother country has to the local powers in the region being colonized, because the colonists end up doing their own thing anyways. That's a big reason there why you shouldn't suffer a khedive to live. Don't suffer a khedive to live.
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Aug 23, 2018 23:46
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Moderates
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Aug 23, 2018 23:55
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I'm conflicted - I want to vote Socialist, but the Khedive is a monster and should be deposed.
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Aug 23, 2018 23:56
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The Socialists fill exactly those holes that the Imperialists have created in our tech, Defensive tech and industry tech, so this will be where my vote goes.
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Aug 23, 2018 23:57
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Moderates We need to build more factroys
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Aug 23, 2018 23:59
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Although the Moderates are appealing, the losses under the Imperialists cannot be overlooked. Political parties have no place in Al-Andalus, we have always been governed by the wise Majlis, and not the selfish whims of any man who sees himself as Sultan-for-a-day. The natural rights of the Majlis must be restored under the Royalists.
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Aug 24, 2018 00:01
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Dreissi posted:I'm conflicted - I want to vote Socialist, but the Khedive is a monster and should be deposed. All the factions that want to invade and depose him are going to do it by machine-gunning thousands and thousands of forcibly conscripted natives that the Khedivate throws at us, all for the purpose of installing direct rule from a city on the other side of the planet by capitalists and/or monarchists that only want to centralize control over Africa so that they can double down on extracting rubber and tropical wood. Nobody but the Socialists will even attempt to make the Khedivate a better place to live, they're all just squabbling over who gets the lion's share of the loot.
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Aug 24, 2018 00:01
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SlothfulCobra posted:Because there's basically a snowball's chance in hell that Al Andalus could sit out the next world war and you know it. 0% chance. Who are you kidding? #1 great power? Already allied to the #3 great power who is angling for a fight for China and making imperial grabs halfway across the globe? Spread out across the four corners of the earth? Most of Europe hates you? In what world does this massive empire manage to just shrug its way around the next big war and not get caught with most of its troops abroad trying to stabilize its imperial possessions while the armies of Europe just walk up and kick down the front door? By having no GP allies we can by definition avoid being part of any Great Wars, seeing as what makes a Great War a Great War is having at least 2 GP's on both sides. Just refuse to join any wars that already are or would become Great with our involvement. Problem solved.
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Aug 24, 2018 00:04
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Crazycryodude posted:All the factions that want to invade and depose him are going to do it by machine-gunning thousands and thousands of forcibly conscripted natives that the Khedivate throws at us, all for the purpose of installing direct rule from a city on the other side of the planet by capitalists and/or monarchists that only want to centralize control over Africa so that they can double down on extracting rubber and tropical wood. Nobody but the Socialists will even attempt to make the Khedivate a better place to live, they're all just squabbling over who gets the lion's share of the loot. You're the Slavoj Zizek of Al-Andalus. Someone who claims to care about the regular person, but truly only cares for their own voice. You would leave people enslaved, raped, and mutilated by the Khedivate so long as you could own the neolibs. sheep-dodger posted:The Socialists fill exactly those holes that the Imperialists have created in our tech, Defensive tech and industry tech, so this will be where my vote goes. I feel like Hashim has set this as a trap. If we were playing the game normally I'd agree with this entirely as we do desperately need to improve our industry tech. But the compromise for doing that is creating a brutal Peninsulare slave empire that spreads the breadth of Africa... that will almost certainly side with the goddamned Almoravids the moment we give them an inch. If trains and industry tech are more valuable to you than actual ideals about self-determination and freedom, yeah. Go Socialist in this vote. habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Aug 24, 2018 |
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Aug 24, 2018 00:07
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Oh my god you're right being raped, enslaved, and murdered on the orders of a telegram from 5000 miles away instead of 500 is so much better than the Khedivate being forced to end slavery and provide public education, how could I have been so blind
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Aug 24, 2018 00:11
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Crazycryodude posted:Oh my god you're right being raped, enslaved, and murdered on the orders of a telegram from 5000 miles away instead of 500 is so much better than the Khedivate being forced to outlaw slavery and provide public education, how could I have been so blind Hahaha that you think the Khedivate will actually follow through when they know that they risk at most feckless tut-tutting when someone is able to drag you away from your model train set.
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Aug 24, 2018 00:12
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100 percent chance that if we remove the khedive he goes to Morocco for support and starts a great war, much better to keep him close so when can distribute his power among an educated and empowered native population and undercut his grip on the colonial bureaucracy
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Aug 24, 2018 00:14
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habeasdorkus posted:Hahaha that you think the Khedivate will actually follow through when they know that they risk at most feckless tut-tutting when someone is able to drag you away from your model train set. The risk of not following through is one of the largest and most modern navies on the planet showing up to shell his palace until he does. It's not like the Socialists are gonna suddenly scrap the Iron Fleet.
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Aug 24, 2018 00:16
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Crazycryodude posted:The risk of not following through is one of the largest and most modern navies on the planet showing up to shell his palace until he does. Which is exactly the opposite of Socialist Party foreign policy. If I thought the Socialists were going to actually improve the lives of our colonial subjects I'd be voting for them, even though we still don't have a secret ballot and getting one's not on the Socialist's agenda. I want to vote Socialist, I just can't yet. (Though TBF that's the cri de coeur of all incrementalists.) Agean90 posted:100 percent chance that if we remove the khedive he goes to Morocco for support and starts a great war, much better to keep him close so when can distribute his power among an educated and empowered native population and undercut his grip on the colonial bureaucracy Nah, Morocco isn't a great power.* Plus, we get to mudhole Morocco, and when hasn't that been front and center among the goals of the Andalusian polity since the 1200s? * eta and didn't they break their alliance with the DM and align with the beaten down and friendless SGU?
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Aug 24, 2018 00:20
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habeasdorkus posted:l the thing about countries, you see, is that they can join into wars if they have reason to and as we are not well liked by our angry neighbors they will inevitably find reason to
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Aug 24, 2018 00:22
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habeasdorkus posted:Which is exactly the opposite of Socialist Party foreign policy. If I thought the Socialists were going to actually improve the lives of our colonial subjects I'd be voting for them, even though we still don't have a secret ballot and getting one's not on the Socialist's agenda. I want to vote Socialist, I just can't yet. (Though TBF that's the cri de coeur of all incrementalists.) The Socialist foreign policy is to avoid sailing around blowing up the palaces of other great powers, that's got nothing to do with blowing up the palaces of assholes that are our mess and our responsibility entirely in-house.
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Aug 24, 2018 00:23
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Crazycryodude posted:The Socialist foreign policy is to avoid sailing around blowing up the palaces of other great powers, that's got nothing to do with blowing up the palaces of assholes that are our mess and our responsibility entirely in-house. That's not how I read the platform at all. Regardless, this election looks like a fight between the Tories and the Socialists, so I'll probably end up changing my vote to grudgingly Socialist if this keeps up. Better to be naively for the future than cynically stuck in the past.
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Aug 24, 2018 00:27
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*deep breath* gently caress it socialists
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Aug 24, 2018 00:28
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the other parties will only replace the khedive with their own stooge who will continue the same practices. Then they will proceed to ignore the atrocities from then on out.
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Aug 24, 2018 00:30
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Pakled posted:Shouldn't you be in prison?  My disguise, foiled!
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Aug 24, 2018 00:32
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Royalists! Allah has ordained our Sultan to rule and rule he should. You are all traitors to the realm and to God!
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Aug 24, 2018 00:32
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Moderates. Benin, I like you, I like your style, but it's time to turn the Pyrenees into a mass French grave.
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Aug 24, 2018 00:32
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Moderates, because I feel like Socialists still doesn't quite make sense from a narrative point of view. Maybe next time!
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Aug 24, 2018 00:37
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I mean if you keep voting in the people who still believe in the divine right of kings, yeah the Socialists are never gonna make sense. Sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy there. I dunno when they'd make more sense than after 30 years of Liberal rule and liberalization, except maybe after 40 years thereof. Definitely not after a decade of backsliding with literal monarchists.
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Aug 24, 2018 00:39
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Imperialists!
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Aug 24, 2018 00:42
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habeasdorkus posted:That's not how I read the platform at all. Regardless, this election looks like a fight between the Tories and the Socialists, so I'll probably end up changing my vote to grudgingly Socialist if this keeps up. Better to be naively for the future than cynically stuck in the past. What's in the past about them? They're modern-izers! All they want to do is build factories, research, and make sure there's a contingency plan to survive the coming storm. You bring in the modernizers, and they polish up the nation and build a sturdy foundation for the future. You stick with the imperialists and everything just goes further down the hole you're already stuck in. If there was ever a time to be cautious instead of plunging forth pillaging, now's the time.
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Aug 24, 2018 00:46
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Moderates!
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Aug 24, 2018 00:48
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habeasdorkus posted:That's not how I read the platform at all. Regardless, this election looks like a fight between the Tories and the Socialists, so I'll probably end up changing my vote to grudgingly Socialist if this keeps up. Better to be naively for the future than cynically stuck in the past. The way I see it is that the difference between the Imperialists and Moderates is the difference between “Remain” and “soft Brexit”. In an attempt to maintain/expand our various military alliances, Moderates will just as surely drag us into the upcoming Great War as the Imperialists, but they have basically decided to let foreigners dictate all of the terms of how that war will get started. In that case, our foreign policy would be much more flexible under the Imperialists. The socialists are the ones that would have refused to join that capitalist bosses’ club from the very beginning, trying their best to prevent us from ever getting mired in that shitshow in the first place.
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Aug 24, 2018 01:02
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Slaan posted:Royalists! Allah has ordained our Sultan to rule and rule he should. You are all traitors to the realm and to God!
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Aug 24, 2018 01:09
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Wow. This Europe loving sucks. No one can even throw a revolution without it degenerating into a dictatorship. Moderates because we need to stop the French and Russians from crossing the Pyrenees.
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Aug 24, 2018 01:13
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Moderates.
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Aug 24, 2018 01:17
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Aug 24, 2018 01:17
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