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Imperialists I don't see why we need to change. Our factories are still making money and the children who work in them have never needed to read before.
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Aug 24, 2018 11:27
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Royalists. 1. The Khedive has as much a right to rule as any of us. The sultan was granted his divine right by the merit of his forefathers securing Iberia. The Tirruni's of Barcelona were granted their right by the merits of Tirruni I's conquests. The heir of the Khedive is no different. And if, for some reason, he decided to preposterously betray us for the Moroccans after granting him autonomy, well, he'd have done that if we tried to depose him anyways. 2. I've said it before and i'll say it again. The Straits. Narbuna. Sardinia. Palermo. Occitania. Al-Andalus is not whole, and the Royalists are the only ones who don't pretend otherwise. 3. We must stop this slide into weakness. Granting wages, disgusting Imperialist bills that abuse their system to deprive Andalusi of their rightful Royalist votes, and who knows what they, or their Socialist lapdogs, would pull next if they get another term. Al-Andalus has held on as the greatest state on the planet in spite of the gibbering liberalizing masses, but if we don't strike back soon then we'll end up like the Celts.
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Aug 24, 2018 11:51
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Socialists!
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Aug 24, 2018 12:13
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Aug 24, 2018 12:59
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Red John posted:I’m extremely excited to see the vast conservative elements of the country freak the gently caress out over the socialists being in charge. Game mechanics wise, socialism is arguably the best choice besides maybe communism, depending on their military policy. Yes, and it was wonderful! MADA (Make Al-Andalus Disintegrate Again) 
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Aug 24, 2018 13:19
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Moderates
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Aug 24, 2018 13:33
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Socialists because I ain’t voting for no morroco loving moderates!
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Aug 24, 2018 13:55
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Aug 24, 2018 14:37
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Aug 24, 2018 15:14
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Aug 24, 2018 15:43
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Moderates The status quo is incredibly friendly to Al Andalus. No reason to upset it. Here's to 10 boring, train-filled years
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Aug 24, 2018 17:37
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Moderates in large part because, as the Majlis, we have literally no interest in allowing a socialist utopia. I'm pretty sure they're still banned as a political party, even.
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Aug 24, 2018 20:31
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They explicitly are allowed, that's why we can vote for them. It's the Communists that are banned from holding seats in the Majlis, which is why we can't vote for them.
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Aug 24, 2018 20:38
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I'm immigrating to Ibriz. Stupid moderate monarchists.
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Aug 24, 2018 20:45
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I'm basically reading the moderate platform as "gently caress all you poors, we're gonna go play with trains and maybe get embroiled in another massive hellwar for no gain"
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Aug 24, 2018 21:01
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Grizzwold posted:I'm basically reading the moderate platform as "gently caress all you poors, we're gonna go play with trains and maybe get embroiled in another massive hellwar for no gain" Correct, but can we keep this thread about the game please???
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Aug 24, 2018 21:08
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It’s a repeat of the goons voting down a constitution for Wiz’s Hohenzollern LP all over again. Some of them legitimately want us to remain a reactionary hellhole while others are holding out for something better (hint: nothing better is coming). The only difference is that in Al Andalus, there is also apparently a lot of concern trolling from the literal conservative monarchists running on a platform of stripping citizenship rights from Iberian minorities that maybe the socialists don’t care enough about black people in our African colonies.
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Aug 24, 2018 21:19
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changing my vote from Moderates to socialists
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Aug 24, 2018 21:36
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It's not a platform of stripping citzenship rights, it's a platform of not giving any more rights than what they currently have. Please stop mistaking the moderates for the royalists, it's unpleasant.
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Aug 24, 2018 21:39
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Ah Hohenzollern memories of goons owning themselves. “Time to give the people more rights!” “If you pass this the thread will vote less and have less power.” “Okay only some rights but still oligarchy!” *reactionaries and socialists get angry* “Everything is fin”*reactionaries overthrown government and throw entire goon oligarchy into prison* Zikan fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Aug 25, 2018 |
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Aug 24, 2018 21:40
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Frionnel posted:It's not a platform of stripping citzenship rights, it's a platform of not giving any more rights than what they currently have. The ruling Imperialists are currently Full Citizenship, while the Moderates' citizenship policy is Limited Citizenship. The Moderates will actively be rolling back political and social rights for non-accepted cultures.
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Aug 24, 2018 21:44
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Aug 24, 2018 21:52
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Changing my vote from moderates to socialists. The citizenship revert is stupid.
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Aug 24, 2018 21:53
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Crazycryodude posted:The ruling Imperialists are currently Full Citizenship, while the Moderates' citizenship policy is Limited Citizenship. The Moderates will actively be rolling back political and social rights for non-accepted cultures. yeah but that's only for the BAD type of pops. Not like it matters 
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Crazycryodude posted:The ruling Imperialists are currently Full Citizenship, while the Moderates' citizenship policy is Limited Citizenship. The Moderates will actively be rolling back political and social rights for non-accepted cultures. They wouldn't have this problem if they actually spoke the good andalusian tongue and followed the good andalusian customs. Besides, it only affects elections, and barely affects people of non accepted cultures because they most of them are poor and can't vote anyway.
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Aug 24, 2018 21:57
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Grizzwold posted:I'm basically reading the moderate platform as "gently caress all you poors, we're gonna go play with trains and maybe get embroiled in another massive hellwar for no gain" Yeah, the Moderate platform has fewer benefits than the Socialist platform, and far more risks, including another hellwar with a Russian coalition. Al Andalus has the Iberian peninsula, extensive African holdings, and even south Asian holdings. It's a perfect time to consolidate our position and develop the land and people.
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Aug 24, 2018 21:57
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I'm going with Moderates because it makes more narrative sense, to me. While the socialists have been gaining power, there hasn't been a pressing reason to vote them into the Upper House.
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Aug 24, 2018 21:58
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If the thread cared that hard about rights for the people, they would've gone socialist at a point where the fate of the world was dangling in the lurch. Hell, even the last election would've been a perfect time for socialism. The socialists could've gained enough ground on Morocco and France to peace out quickly for Iberian unification before the alliance got wrecked by Russia. But no, it's always been too risky, and you've always needed just a bit more colonial territory. There's no such thing as pretty colonial borders. Don't act like the constant push for more dominion was somehow egalitarian, and don't make up things about monarchism when all the parties nominally support the sultan and there's a literal royalist party. Of course, the frustration here is also uncomfortably reminiscent of certain events in the real world where people are always waffling about it never being time for socialism, but in the real world I'm still anti-isolationist either way.
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Aug 24, 2018 21:59
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The most dangerous piece of the Moderate agenda is their stance on the khedive. Where do you think he'll turn to if threatened? Russia, Morocco, and the Dual Monarchy would be happy to help them out. Even Benin would be given an incentive to turn against us. If I remember right, we tried to be forceful with Ibriz and that did us no favors. An unruly subject remains a subject, but a rebellious subject is lost.
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Aug 24, 2018 22:10
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Aren't the socialists in favor of giving him autonomy and eventually independence? What the hell do you think he's going to do with that newfound freedom? Thank mother Andalusia and allow her eternal monopoly rights? No, he's going to look for alliances internationally and cement his liberty. The man's father was a master of realpolitik, and so is he apparently, given that he is tricking the socialists into recognizing his legitimacy. And he would be an idiot to accept being a puppet forever.
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Aug 24, 2018 22:13
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No you see the status quo is good for us how could it possibly go wrong? *Khedive ends up dragging us in war against half of Europe, fascists rise up while armies deployed abroad. Goons executed *...wait that later part sounds good.
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puppets freak me out posted:The most dangerous piece of the Moderate agenda is their stance on the khedive. Where do you think he'll turn to if threatened? Russia, Morocco, and the Dual Monarchy would be happy to help them out. Even Benin would be given an incentive to turn against us. Yeah, but this time we have a navy
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Aug 24, 2018 22:15
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Yeah, Hohenzollern vibes all over again. Anyway, let's go full S̶h̶a̶r̶e̶d̶ ̶B̶u̶r̶d̶e̶n̶s̶ Socialism
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Aug 24, 2018 22:28
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Socialists!
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Aug 24, 2018 22:31
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Agh, to hell with it. I may not trust the Khedive, I may think isolationism is a foolish platform, but I can't see the noble Portuguese and Catalonians undone after thirty years of assimilation. Changing my vote to the Socialists as well. Still going to "told ya so" very hard when Central Africa becomes a warzone, though.
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If my count is right, it's ~53 Moderates to ~56 Socialists. I'll go with this, but if things go to poo poo I reserve the right to complain.
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Aug 24, 2018 22:50
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Voting for the moderates is a step backward in history. Do you want to look at the future with proud eyes? Do you care for the sweat of your fellow worker? Do you care for our crumbling factories and poor commerce? Vote socialist, vote for a bright future.
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