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nemesis_hub posted:I don’t know why people keep bringing up Nolan as a potential director. I like some of his movies a lot but he really sucks at action. Not anymore, really. People complained about Begins, so he just focused on it and got better and better with each subsequent scene (the Bane plane scene from Rises is a great Bond cold open, for instance) to the point where he is now where Dunkirk is ultra impressive on the big screen in all of its "action" sequences. Poster above brought up Inception's weak snow sequence (really his first go at a shootout, ever), but ignore how that improved his chase sequences and fight sequences (I'd put the hallway fight above anything in a recent Bond movie, for instance).
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I don't think Nolan shoots fight choreography very well, but that's just one kind of action scene. I like his chase scenes and some of his big set pieces with the IMAX footage have definitely been Bond worthy(Hong Kong from TDK, the plane scene from Rises that you mentioned, several scenes in Dunkirk)
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Aug 24, 2018 14:41
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Nolan can do a fine action or fight scene when he can be bothered to. You can see it very well in Rises with the two punch out scenes involving Bane and Batman. The first looks, sounds(!), and feels like it was heavily planned, choreographed, and edited, while the second was probably done on a lazy sunday afternoon.
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Aug 24, 2018 15:19
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thrawn527 posted:Oh gently caress, you're right. I remember an interview now where he said he regretted turning them down, but someone convinced him that, in the hippy culture at the time, continuing to play a government killer would be bad for his career. That's true lol https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/may/17/george-lazenby-on-bond-sex-and-the-60s-they-had-the-pill-i-was-a-handsome-guy Also he was a complete sex maniac even by the standards of the time.
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Aug 24, 2018 15:57
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I think Lazenby showed up to the premier with a hippie beard and the producers were completely aghast.
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Aug 24, 2018 15:58
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Electronico6 posted:Daniel Craig gets paid millions of dollars and even more on box office and imagine rights, he aint some overworked and underpaid loser teamster in these films. He also spends his days doing these movies in the best and fanciest parts of the world and having extra women actresses hired so he can gently caress them on the side. Hey be fair, sex is tiring
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Aug 24, 2018 16:01
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This is a great channel if you are a hardcore Bondfan https://www.youtube.com/user/jamesbondradio . The two guys hosting it are really pleasant to listen to.
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Aug 24, 2018 16:40
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thrawn527 posted:Bring Martin Campbell back. This. He'll retire soon otherwise. Or George Miller, let him do a Bond before he dies. Also, Timothy Dalton for villain. Doing a dramatic bad guy instead of comedic in Hot Fuzz. drunkill fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Aug 24, 2018 |
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Aug 24, 2018 17:21
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drunkill posted:This. He'll retire soon otherwise. Wow, be's older than I realised. Then again, I shouldn't be surprised. Sex Thief (a movie I just find very, very odd) was the early 70s.
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Aug 24, 2018 18:47
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After considering the replies to my comment about Nolan and action scenes, I do see the point you guys are making. The first fight with Bane vs the last one is a good contrast, and it’s true his grasp of choreography and space has been improving. Maybe it’s the clinical approach another poster above mentioned that’s the true source of my reservations: Nolan protagonists don’t gently caress.
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Aug 25, 2018 09:16
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drunkill posted:
I'd like if Pierce Brosnan played a Bond villain. He's so slimy that you just know there is some dark poo poo beneath that gentleman surface. Plus he could give Bond a run on his money on deadly quips.
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Aug 25, 2018 10:15
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So his character from The Matador, except he's the bad guy instead of just a "bad guy"?
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Aug 25, 2018 15:56
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The problem I have with Nolan's action sequences is that he uses editing to cheat a lot and as a result the action doesn't flow and can be hard to follow. Look at 0:40 - 0:43 in this clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvDba2nMv_U or 3:22 - 3:27 here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz3fZoSJpg0 His take on Bond would probably be interesting the first time around but the action wouldn't be great and the movie wouldn't stand up to repeat viewings.
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Aug 25, 2018 15:56
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Electronico6 posted:Eon should just swallow their pride and get Cavill. Speaking as one of five people in the U.S. that saw The Man from U.N.C.L.E. I think this could work
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I don't remember if it was this thread I mentioned in or another one but Cavill was Martin Campbell's preferred choice for Casino Royale but was rejected by the Broccolis on account of his youth (he would've been 23 when the movie came out). (There were four finalists for Casino Royale: Craig, Cavill, Goran Visnjic and Clive Owen.)
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Aug 25, 2018 16:52
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I like Clive Owen but he's really showing his age. Years ago I'd have liked him as Doom.
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Human Tornada posted:The problem I have with Nolan's action sequences is that he uses editing to cheat a lot and as a result the action doesn't flow and can be hard to follow. Eh, that still works, because he works hand in hand with Hans Zimmer, who times his scores to the cuts. I really think they work hand in hand with whatever is going on, in an earlier process (from Zimmer's notes), which also explains why Zimmer's Nolan scores are better. Also, Inception/Dark Knight is a bit earlier; I don't really see the same with Dunkirk. He is pretty cold, though...but, Bond doesn't have sex for love except in one movie, so that coldness could work perfectly.
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Lamanda posted:This is a great channel if you are a hardcore Bondfan https://www.youtube.com/user/jamesbondradio . The two guys hosting it are really pleasant to listen to. JBR is available as a podcast as well. The thing I like most about it is that the hosts are really Bond lovers and not trying to be cool kids about it.
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Aug 26, 2018 03:09
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James Bond Radio is pretty good but there's like 40 minutes of trivia questions at the beginning and end of every episode, its ridiculous. I prefer the Bonding podcast for its sense of humor, though I think they kind of ran out of steam and fell too in love with their goofy impersonations.
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Aug 26, 2018 20:08
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Mantis42 posted:I prefer the Bonding podcast for its sense of humor, though I think they kind of ran out of steam and fell too in love with their goofy impersonations. Ya every other episode was "we rank the X" of James Bond. Fascinating. Not to mention Matt Mira is insufferable.
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Aug 26, 2018 20:43
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I mean they already did all the movies like two years ago. It’s not a podcast that was meant to last forever. My only issue with them is their adoration for A View to a Kill and Octopussy. Fuckin hate those movies man, and no part of me can stand revisiting them. I want a guest to show up and be like “no this movie is trash.”
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Aug 26, 2018 20:47
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The Moore Bonds, with one or two exceptions, are absolute gutter trash and aren't worth the poo poo on the wad of toilet paper I've wiped my butt with.Mantis42 posted:James Bond Radio is pretty good but there's like 40 minutes of trivia questions at the beginning and end of every episode, its ridiculous. It's not unusual for this to happen, especially when there's a comedy element to the podcast. Just look at How Did This Get Made, where the hosts spend the entire time shouting their "funny" and "amusing" bits over each the top of each other and repeat the same joke about 10,000 times in a row, while leaning way too hard into their gimmicks, like June Diane Raphael being annoyingly oblivious about the movie they would be talking about, if they weren't just endlessly screaming their haha-larious riffs and interrupting each other.
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CelticPredator posted:I mean they already did all the movies like two years ago. It’s not a podcast that was meant to last forever. On the flip side there's Tomorrow Never Dies where all Gourley does is bitch and whine the whole time and is insufferable.
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James Bonding is OK but it's pretty obvious that they get bored doing it halfway through, and sometimes the guests are bad. Someone should tell them that they don't actually have to do an exhaustive blow by blow of the movies if they don't want to. But I guess they've stopped doing it now anyway?
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Vagabundo posted:The Moore Bonds, with one or two exceptions, are absolute gutter trash and aren't worth the poo poo on the wad of toilet paper I've wiped my butt with. God drat, dude, they're not that bad Like I'd honestly say that the Moore movies are more different than they are bad; it's weird going to Moore from any other Bond, but I don't think a single one of his Bond movies, even A View to a Kill, is completely worthless. (I mean, A View to a Kill is hands down the worst Moore Bond, and one of the worst Bonds period, and it still has Walken, Duran Duran, and Grace Jones.)
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I like the Moore movies but I don't think they're actually good movies, the way the best Connery and Craig films are. I'll fight anyone who insults Dalton, however. e: And honestly, podcasts where the hosts are actually positive about media is kind of refreshing.
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Aug 27, 2018 02:11
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Dalton was probably ahead of his time and was the victim of an awkward transition between Moore and Brosnan. License to Kill loving owns though.
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Aug 27, 2018 02:13
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yeah I unironically loving love the Dalton movies and I've always kind of wanted to make a spy movie in the same style.
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Vagabundo posted:Dalton was probably ahead of his time and was the victim of an awkward transition between Moore and Brosnan. License to Kill loving owns though. The Dalton entries were definitely ahead of their time. The more grounded and gritty style of those flicks were basically the prototype for what was later done - and celebrated - in Casino Royale.
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Aug 27, 2018 02:29
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The climax to The Living Daylights is so exciting that Uncharted 3 ripped it off wholesale.
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Mantis42 posted:I like the Moore movies but I don't think they're actually good movies, the way the best Connery and Craig films are. This is a series where even the best entries are passable at best. As long as you're having fun, it's all good.
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Cacator posted:On the flip side there's Tomorrow Never Dies where all Gourley does is bitch and whine the whole time and is insufferable. Yeah it’s real bad. They’re voices are quiet and when I’m doing restaurant work it’s chill.
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Fart City posted:The Dalton entries were definitely ahead of their time. The more grounded and gritty style of those flicks were basically the prototype for what was later done - and celebrated - in Casino Royale. Licence To Kill is a very post-Lethal Weapon movie. It's one I didn't like when I was younger, but which became one of my favourites when I rewatched it later. Of course I like the Moore movies; The Spy Who Loved Me is another favourite of mine. It's too bad it couldn't use Blofeld. I would not object at all if they replaced Craig with, like, Colin Firth or Kenneth Branagh and did jokier movies.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Licence To Kill is a very post-Lethal Weapon movie. It's one I didn't like when I was younger, but which became one of my favourites when I rewatched it later. I like Living Daylights more than License to Kill, mainly because the John Barry score (his best, possibly) is better than the Michael Kamen score for License, and makes scenes feel more epic and impactful. In fact, that's one reason why I can stand to watch Octopussy and A View to a Kill, where I wouldn't otherwise. I still can't watch Moonraker and Diamonds are Forever, though - those two actively annoy me.
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Fart City posted:The Dalton entries were definitely ahead of their time. The more grounded and gritty style of those flicks were basically the prototype for what was later done - and celebrated - in Casino Royale. I think you can probably include the Dalton films in a single continuum that starts off very dark and gritty as a reaction to the ridiculousness of the Moore era, slowly morphs back into ridiculous over the course of the Brosnan era, and then reset again with Casino Royale. Goldeneye was original planned as the third Dalton film and it was held up by a lawsuit so I think even with Dalton as Bond we'd have seen that natural slide into the more over the top style we eventually got with Brosnan.
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My favorite Moore movie might be Live and Let Die because it's so insanely wrong-headed on every possible level. Favorite cause of death: stabbing by parade followed by a musical number, which happens TWICE!
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sean10mm posted:My favorite Moore movie might be Live and Let Die because it's so insanely wrong-headed on every possible level. Favorite cause of death: stabbing by parade followed by a musical number, which happens TWICE! Also, the most ineffective villain that just whines about not being able to get laid then explodes.
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Darko posted:I like Living Daylights more than License to Kill, mainly because the John Barry score (his best, possibly) is better than the Michael Kamen score for License, and makes scenes feel more epic and impactful. Living Daylights and License to Kill both have some crazy stunts involving a plane too.
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Darko posted:Also, the most ineffective villain that just whines about not being able to get laid then explodes. So the perfect Bond movie for 2018 then.
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Cacator posted:On the flip side there's Tomorrow Never Dies where all Gourley does is bitch and whine the whole time and is insufferable. I've really never understood his dislike for that movie, though I think it comes from not liking Brosnan's Bond all that much. Granted I've not seen it in a long time, but I remember it being fairly prescient and it has Michelle Yeoh in it.
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