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King of Solomon posted:Digimon Tamers also has issues. I am curious what you don't like about Tri, though, I've really enjoyed it so far. Gennai
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Ghost Leviathan posted:'Pissing off both Nazis and leftists' isn't the good thing you and establishment Democrats seem to think it is. It’s not a good thing. But it is a thing that Sigmata has accomplished and that is noteworthy. I don’t really bring it up for any other reason than as an example that the left and the right can totally agree on things they mutually hate, and potentially Molotov and Ribbentrop their way into at least not killing each other right away because of it. Mr. Maltose posted:Actually if two people or groups complain about something it’s for the same reason and they’re equal in every way. I’m not saying that. Or are you saying that?  Plutonis posted:Digimon has better videogames than Gundam Federation vs. Zeon is motherfucking art though.
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Bedlamdan posted:It’s not a good thing. But it is a thing that Sigmata has accomplished and that is noteworthy. Horseshoe theory has poisoned another mind.
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Aug 25, 2018 05:12
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Covok posted:Gennai Does he become a problem in the last movie or something, because so far he's just been a pretty bog standard villain? I admit I don't remember a lot of his history from Adventure, it's been a long time since I saw it.
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Didn't Gundam have a Samurai Warriors licensed clone that was... okay, as such games tend to be? Which oddly enough seems pretty much like the most fitting genre for Gundam, which is basically mecha samurai in space.Covok posted:Horseshoe theory has poisoned another mind. They're always so incredibly smug about it too. Because it's not like middle-of-the-road liberalism has failed utterly and miserably in very recent memory?
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If I do go with the Not-Gundam game, what would be a better system? Battle Century G or Mekton Zeta?
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Aug 25, 2018 05:23
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G easily.
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Speaking of I'm doing a voice game of Battle Century G, based on Zone of the Enders, sometime afternoon to early evening on Sundays EST. I already have some people but feel free to PM me if you're interested.
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Aug 25, 2018 05:31
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Plutonis posted:Digimon has better videogames than Gundam endless duel is better than any digimon game, but it's also the only good gundam game
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Aug 25, 2018 06:04
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A lot of mech games seem to get super overcomplicated despite there probably being some justification for pilots being separate from mechs stat-wise, with some overlap with relevant skills. Are there any systems that do it well, and if so, how?
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Ghost Leviathan posted:A lot of mech games seem to get super overcomplicated despite there probably being some justification for pilots being separate from mechs stat-wise, with some overlap with relevant skills. Are there any systems that do it well, and if so, how? Battle Century G. Pilot and Mech stats are entirely separate, and don't influence one another. It's also not terribly complicated.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:A lot of mech games seem to get super overcomplicated despite there probably being some justification for pilots being separate from mechs stat-wise, with some overlap with relevant skills. Are there any systems that do it well, and if so, how? I mean it's kind of funny you mention this because Lancer in its original incarnation was super, super light on the pilot end to the point where pilots basically were a sort of afterthought...they were there, you could roll to do things with them, but it was far more abstract and almost entirely divorced from the bulk of the game. And then the number one request from basically everyone was more detailed pilot rules. I think Lancer handles the divide "okay" in the sense that it's still very much first and foremost based on mech combat primarily, and that pilot skills don't have any bearing on mech performance, your mechs will handle the same regardless of how you've tweaked your pilot, and you could if you wanted to pretty much remove/ignore pilot play entirely and the tactical combat side wouldn't really suffer any noticeable loss. e; okay the one thing which influences mech combat coming from the pilot side are talents, but those were in the game from the start and they're just basically feats.
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Covok posted:Horseshoe theory has poisoned another mind. It’s not horseshoe theory, any common aims are short lived and superficial. The far left and far right both hate neoliberals, albeit for different reasons and aims afterwards. That’s just a given, they both hate the status quo. Countblanc posted:endless duel is better than any digimon game, but it's also the only good gundam game *in a Heero Yuy voice* I’ll kill you.
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Bedlamdan posted:It’s not horseshoe theory, any common aims are short lived and superficial. The far left and far right both hate neoliberals, albeit for different reasons and aims afterwards. That’s just a given, they both hate the status quo. you're pretty good at this 'talking a lot without actually saying anything' bit
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Brother Entropy posted:you're pretty good at this 'talking a lot without actually saying anything' bit Thanks 
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The funny thing is that neoliberals will always attack the left at every opportunity while appeasing and ultimately allying with the right and then wonder why genocides happen.
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a very smart guy posted:I'm certainly not trying to decouple Nationalism from National Socialism. It's a core tenet of the ideology. But the NSDAP was a National Socialist party; not a Fascist one. They are two different ideologies with distinctly different aims. One seeks to mimic the character and spirit of a distinctly Imperialist Rome, whereas the other seeks an ethnically determined Nationalist state. Imperialism and Nationalism are antonyms. If Hitler had been a Fascist, he would not have had the same issues with Austria-Hungary that he did. Sigmata has the longest comments section I've ever seen on a DTRPG product.
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That Old Tree posted:Sigmata has the longest comments section I've ever seen on a DTRPG product. Holy gently caress lmao IF Hitler was a fascist
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S.J. posted:Holy gently caress lmao Also for a game whose title suggests it's all about killing fascists, the author's own comments about how it plays seem to go out of their way to make you feel bad about doing that.
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Payndz posted:Yeah, I saw that bit and went NOPE. It's pedantry not far from "I can't be a Nazi because I'm not a member of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, checkmate lib!" And the game's about how you have to be really careful not to let the communists have too much say, along with the tech bros, the gun nuts and the Christian fundamentalists. I'm not sure where black people fall into this equation, if they're even represented. Oh who are we kidding, we know they aren't.
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Countblanc posted:endless duel is better than any digimon game, but it's also the only good gundam game Gundam Breaker 3 is great since it lets you piledrive other gundams
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PrinnySquadron posted:Gundam Breaker 3 is great since it lets you piledrive other gundams Gundam VS is also good. Covok posted:Mars is a thriving, but oppressed colony of the Earth Union I know you're copying the One Year War here, but having the PCs play agents of the oppressive colonial power is slightly lovely. 
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Re: Covok If your players want to connect to their partner and have a cool pet than go with the Digimon one. If they want to kick rear end and take names go with Gundams.
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That Old Tree posted:
That post is typical of a certain type of nerd with history degree who thinks it's incredibly important that you use the strictly correct definition of Fascist as "member of one of Benito Mussolini's three political parties with the word Fascist in the name" and Nazi as "member of the German NSDAP" instead of recognising that the common use versions of those words don't care about adherence to political parties that haven't existed for 70 years, because they're apparently incapable of understanding that real life conversations about how fascism is bad are not the same thing as coursework for their degree. Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Aug 25, 2018 |
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Brother Entropy posted:you're pretty good at this 'talking a lot without actually saying anything' bit Seriously. Say something once; why say it again?
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Maybe the lesson of Sigmata, hinted by it's name, is that Fascism and Nazism are degenerate ideologies and that by tapping the support of farmers and religious people you might be able to overthrow the fake ideologies and put in place the superior one, Brazilian Integralism, whose symbol is the "Sigma". Mind freaked!
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The author's been posting excerpts of Sigmata in response to questions in a thread over at rpg.net, and reading through them I have to admit that there's more nuance to the factions that I'd initially assumed based on the kickstarter pitch. E.g., the Makers aren't a huge group of rich galt's gulch assholes (since most of those did, as you'd expect, side with the regime), but a group of five or six Oskar Schindler types who want to help bankroll the resistance but don't want to world after the resistance succeeds to give up on the capitalist system that made them rich in the first place. I still think it's bad and tone deaf, and I'd be a lot more interested in a game where you're managing different factions representing groups classically opposed to fascism in actual history. It's just not quite as bad as I'd imagined.
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Antivehicular posted:Unboxing photos are in the can and will be the first post. I've just been holding off because my copy of the first rulebook is misbound, missing a chunk of pages from an early chargen chapter, and I didn't want to make a post or two and then pause indefinitely. MCG just put out a PDF of that book, though, so... whoo? Wow, is that a common issue? I wouldn't be happy with that after dropping several benjamins on Monte's Wonder Box.
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fool_of_sound posted:Battle Century G. Pilot and Mech stats are entirely separate, and don't influence one another. It's also not terribly complicated. BCG has some pretty glaring problems with trap options and character generation that leads to wildly different levels of competence at equivalent point levels.
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grassy gnoll posted:Seriously. Say something once; why say it again? Because, if people don't get it the first time I might wanna try reexplaining it a second time?  If this is really such a problem, then at least never go to CineD. Lemon-Lime posted:I know you're copying the One Year War here, but having the PCs play agents of the oppressive colonial power is slightly lovely. No. Yazan Gable did absolutely nothing wrong.
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So a buddy of mine bought Invisible Sun and has decided to run it, and despite my reservations with it I'm giving it a fair shot. Because the 'visae packages' (character sheets) hadn't come in yet, we played a short, disjointed adventure using pre-made characters that was clearly not made for characters as good at wizarding as our wizards. The adventure made it seem like every difficulty we ran up against was going to take a lot of time to fix, but we basically spent the adventure taking turns cleaning up problems with a single power or whatnot. We largely had fun, despite most of the table being taken up by a giant empty board and a plastic hand. Things I genuinely thought were good ideas worth copying so far:
Things that were absolutely horrible ideas that should not be reproduced at all:
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Tricky posted:BCG has some pretty glaring problems with trap options and character generation that leads to wildly different levels of competence at equivalent point levels. I don't agree with this at all. It does have some things it expects you to do to build a character that works well, but it also spends a lot of time telling you that you should do those things.
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Ratoslov posted:The 'Vance' (Vancian) wizards have a sheet of paper that represents the amount of spells they can have in their brain, and cards that represent spells that have to physically fit on the page. This is sort of neat, but the spells are all either one or two times the size of the smallest card and they're all the same shapes. Furthermore, you can get a power that lets you make the big cards the same size as the little cards, which they suggest on the forums representing by physically folding the cards in half. (My GM said to just overlap them because that's stupid.) Why is this not a spell-point system? You're getting none of the cool stuff from the physical card format and all of the drawbacks. This frustrates me, as someone who's thought "having a physical card array to represent magical effects would be a cool way to make a system more visual and tactile" and then tried to do it. They have all the cash and production in the world to put in multi-shape, multi-size spell elements here! They even had the character sheets arranged in ridiculous manner! Why not do something cool with this, rather than 'cards and uhhhh double cards, all the same shape.' Is the shape at least not a rectangle?
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Tricky posted:BCG has some pretty glaring problems with trap options and character generation that leads to wildly different levels of competence at equivalent point levels. The book gives pretty extensive advice about what you should and should not do while building your character. I'm really not sure what you're talking about.
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Lemon-Lime posted:Gundam VS is also good. To be fair, I do view the Aesir family as a group that believes themselves to be gods in a cult-like government. Like, King Odin's birth name was not King Odin, he renamed it because he believed he was a god and is convinced the planet that he is. Hence why they have so many Norse names. Like the creator of the jotun, Loki Jotunheim who Odin made an honorary member of the Aesir family for his invention.
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IBO ending with the protagonists being painted as horrible terrorists and killed by the overwhelming power of the Earth government which goes "well I guess child slavery is bad" and passes a bunch of reforms ftw
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Plutonis posted:IBO ending with the protagonists being painted as horrible terrorists and killed by the overwhelming power of the Earth government which goes "well I guess child slavery is bad" and passes a bunch of reforms ftw IBO?
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