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Mei gets some slight use in OWL games at final point stalls. Other than boosting defensive teams up to places they couldn't reach otherwise (ie "birdhouse" in anubis)
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Mei is the poster child for the weird blind spot Blizzar has where they say "This character is a specialist who provides utility, so therefore she's going to do 30% as much damage as other characters and have zero mobility," because making an ice wall is definitely just as useful to the team as getting triple kills. And then forget they did that and give the normal DPS utility as well. megane fucked around with this message at 08:22 on Aug 26, 2018 |
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Aug 26, 2018 08:20
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Mei is really strong if you have someone who's good at her and can, say, wall people off at doors to secure picks and consistently make headshots/insane distance shots now that her damage falloff is gone. She just...doesn't fit in that well with dive or deathball, and her ult is pretty garbage for how long it takes to charge.
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Aug 26, 2018 08:28
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Mei was clutch in the OWL finals https://twitter.com/espn/status/1023011122331435008
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Aug 26, 2018 13:09
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mei was super popular in pro stuff once upon a time. this was before the global ult charge nerf where she'd get blizzard every fight and ana was broken so everyone was running a bunch of tanks
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Aug 26, 2018 15:08
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If you're not using her ice wall to block every ult possible you're doing it wrong
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Aug 26, 2018 15:26
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I try, but man am I bad at placing that thing in the chaos of a team fight.
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Aug 26, 2018 15:35
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Mei is absolutely viable these days, she is one of my most played DPS heroes. I'm better at taking down Pharah with Mei than I am with McCree, her ability to get to weird spots using wall plus blocking off enemy ults, is great. Waiting by a choke for the enemy Rein to push through, then walling behind him so he can't retreat and his team can't get in, allows your team to demolish him making the other team decide if they want to risk a res or just wait until he comes back, she's great at wasting the enemy team's time. Plus now that her freeze spray goes through targets it's a lot easier to freeze a hopping Genji or whatever else, fire off a quick headshot, and back to it. Plus, self healing! She's a solid hero. The buffs from a month ago were great.
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Aug 26, 2018 17:11
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The Berzerker posted:Mei is absolutely viable these days, she is one of my most played DPS heroes. I'm better at taking down Pharah with Mei than I am with McCree, her ability to get to weird spots using wall plus blocking off enemy ults, is great. Waiting by a choke for the enemy Rein to push through, then walling behind him so he can't retreat and his team can't get in, allows your team to demolish him making the other team decide if they want to risk a res or just wait until he comes back, she's great at wasting the enemy team's time. Plus now that her freeze spray goes through targets it's a lot easier to freeze a hopping Genji or whatever else, fire off a quick headshot, and back to it. Plus, self healing! She's a solid hero. The buffs from a month ago were great. mei's not bad but the discussion was about her not being used in the all stars show matches, not qp or ranked or whatever
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Aug 26, 2018 17:19
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Manatee Cannon posted:mei's not bad but the discussion was about her not being used in the all stars show matches, not qp or ranked or whatever Like why a hero that's pretty good in ranked falls short in all-stars?
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Aug 26, 2018 17:23
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anything can work in ranked tbh. heroes or comps people consider bad aren't necessarily doomed to failure. the difference (beyond the random nature of matchmaking in general) is a combination of communication and coordination, two things that barely exist even at top 500. hell sometimes they don't even exist in owl 
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Aug 26, 2018 17:58
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In the OWL All-Star Game right now a nano-boosted Attack Mei is doing work
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Aug 26, 2018 20:44
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:In the OWL All-Star Game right now a nano-boosted Attack Mei is doing work Yeah I saw and was amazed it wasn't a troll pick that would get kick out before the match start.
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Aug 26, 2018 20:49
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there are no troll picks in the all star game. the 6 dps push from the atlantic team even worked!
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Manatee Cannon posted:mei's not bad but the discussion was about her not being used in the all stars show matches, not qp or ranked or whatever Yeah but my point is that she is pretty solid now. I would not be surprised to see some Mei play in OWL S2. Mei good.
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Aug 26, 2018 21:03
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Manatee Cannon posted:there are no troll picks in the all star game. the 6 dps push from the atlantic team even worked! Even the Sym who tried to bootytrap the enemy spawn on Lunar Colony?
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Aug 26, 2018 21:05
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even that
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Aug 26, 2018 21:08
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Ha, after I did that post Mei been in the entire Ilos king of the hill map for Atlantic.
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Aug 26, 2018 21:13
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Mystery heroes occasionally produces the dumbest poo poo, like two Orisas, two Bastions, a Mercy and a something I don't remember that became a Rein when they died on Anubis attack.
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Aug 26, 2018 22:09
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I guess I just don't know how to play Mei then. I freeze people, they don't die. I ult, put it right on top of someone, they just walk out. I ice block, I die. I wall someone off, they survive. I wall off an ult, it doesn't matter and my team dies anyway.
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Aug 27, 2018 00:18
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megane posted:I guess I just don't know how to play Mei then. I freeze people, they don't die. I ult, put it right on top of someone, they just walk out. I ice block, I die. I wall someone off, they survive. I wall off an ult, it doesn't matter and my team dies anyway. Use confined space for the ult, don't forget it's usefulness is not only predicated on freezing people, getting them off an objective can too. Do you icicle people in the face at any point?
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Aug 27, 2018 00:26
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I shoot people with icicles, but it's hard to get headshots with slow projectiles and I'm basically just a really lovely soldier then. Her headshots don't kill people and their healer has them at full HP before my next shot even goes off. And zoning people out seems almost counterproductive, they just walk out and are more grouped up for their next push.
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Aug 27, 2018 00:30
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taking potshots with icicles from afar, freezing tanks when they run up on you and shooting them in the face is the most basic advice I can give you it may be better to think of Blizzard as area denial: they don't wanna be in there, so your teammates and yourself can get right in that spot the ice wall's best use is in chokepoints, putting one up right as just a couple guys come through to break them apart from their teammates, and likely, their supports in the back
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Aug 27, 2018 00:37
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Watch some Jardio streams if you want tips on how to do well as Mei. There are some basic things that just need practice (hitting headshots consistently at mid-close distance, reflexively getting wall up where you need it really fast) but a lot of playing her well is strategy.
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megane posted:I shoot people with icicles, but it's hard to get headshots with slow projectiles and I'm basically just a really lovely soldier then. If you freeze someone, you're close enough to be able to hit headshots with ease since they're in like, melee range and frozen in place. The travel time is irrelevant at that distance. If I freeze a Genji or Tracer or most healers etc., they're dead. Generally though the things you're complaining about are either a lack of mechanical skill with the hero, which can be fixed with more practice (misplacing walls for example), or poor game sense as the hero (if you wind up surrounded by enemies every time you use ice block you were probably out of position to begin with and too far from your team, since Mei has no movement abilities, just the area control stuff, and needs to stick closer to her team than most other DPS in my opinion). You could be better at Mei if you played more Mei, is what it sounds like. 
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Don't forget the utility of rotating the wall. Hitting E (or whatever you rebound it to) a second time rotates it 90 degrees. I like to use it to cut their team up on payload maps.
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Starting to get a lot better at Hammond after seeing how he was being played during the World Cup matches. Never thought to use his ult while swinging above the enemy as they don't see it coming and get hit by it.
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Aug 27, 2018 03:52
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The Berzerker posted:if you wind up surrounded by enemies every time you use ice block you were probably out of position to begin with and too far from your team, since Mei has no movement abilities, just the area control stuff, and needs to stick closer to her team than most other DPS in my opinion This is a really good point and probably the biggest reason I struggle with her. Thanks for this. Rirse posted:Starting to get a lot better at Hammond after seeing how he was being played during the World Cup matches. Never thought to use his ult while swinging above the enemy as they don't see it coming and get hit by it. I didn't watch the World Cup but I have seen people trying to do this in QP and Arcade, and the mines stick at whatever altitude you use them. What's to keep people from just walking underneath?
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Aug 27, 2018 14:23
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Unsinkabear posted:I didn't watch the World Cup but I have seen people trying to do this in QP and Arcade, and the mines stick at whatever altitude you use them. What's to keep people from just walking underneath?  that's a weird bug. They're supposed to fall to the ground.
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Ravenfood posted:Mystery heroes occasionally produces the dumbest poo poo, like two Orisas, two Bastions, a Mercy and a something I don't remember that became a Rein when they died on Anubis attack. Occasionally I forget that I was one of those idiots that argued quite hard against limiting hero picks to one per game.... ...mystery heroes reminds me that I was incredibly wrong and a complete dumbass.
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I played again for the first time in about 6 months this weekend. I guess Symmetra got reworked again. I still enjoy playing Moira and Ana, but i think that Brigette is my new favorite. However, most of the teams i was on, acted like she was a main tank, but she's definitely not that at all. I haven't played the hamster ball yet, and I'm not quite sure what his role is, either.
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Aug 27, 2018 15:58
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There's no reason Mystery shouldn't also follow the one hero per team rule. There are 28 heroes and only 6 players on each team. Really not that hard to keep that limit enforced there.
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The game's on sale and I'm toying with buying in. I play league so I'm used to the usual team game bullshit, but what's the early game like? Is the learning curve a goddamned brick wall, or is there something resembling a decent new player experience here? Obviously the best thing is to get in a goon discord or find some friends who play but sometimes I just want to solo queue. I looked over the last 5 pages or so and didn't see anyone else ask, hopefully you don't get this every goddamned day and I just missed it.
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Kamikaze Raider posted:Occasionally I forget that I was one of those idiots that argued quite hard against limiting hero picks to one per game.... I am kinda curious what the pros would do if there were no hero limits. I'd assume it'd be some horrendous dive concoction.
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Aug 27, 2018 16:19
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you can find pro games from before hero limits were a thing and they were stupid. like 5 tracers and a lucio to stall on control if you were about to lose levels of stupid
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Aug 27, 2018 16:23
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Who doesn't love two tracers, two Lucios, and two Winstons?
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Boxman posted:The game's on sale and I'm toying with buying in. I play league so I'm used to the usual team game bullshit, but what's the early game like? Is the learning curve a goddamned brick wall, or is there something resembling a decent new player experience here? -You might be matched against a few smurfs in Quick Play at the start, although they're in much lower numbers outside of the free weekends. -Do the tutorial, use the practice range, and play against AI until you feel comfortable with the controls; this goes double if this is your first FPS. -There are 28 heroes to choose from that all play completely differently. If you choose one and it doesn't seem to be working after a match or two, try another one. (IMO the meta is in a really good place right now, so as long as your team has one of each hero type (damage, tank, healer) you really can't go wrong in Quick Play.) -Experiment the LFG system. You may find it more rewarding than solo queue matchmaking. Other than that I'm not sure what else to tell you if you have experience with team games.
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6 DVA defense chain stalling, flying out of the spawn room, was what got them to finally put 1 hero limits in.
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Aug 27, 2018 16:34
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pakman posted:Who doesn't love two tracers, two Lucios, and two Winstons? 3 brigs and 3 orisas might like them.
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Oh. Also after 6 mo. of not playing, the endorsement system is dumb. It's just 150 free xp at the end of a match as opposed to actually telling someone they were a good sport or a good teammate. It's probably used to bm people, too.
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