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Leraika posted:I'm not 100% sure I know what's going on, other than the fact that Maaku somehow faked being shot in the head? Somehow, someway (it’s actually very clever, but I’ll let OP post the in-game explanation) the team got Akechi.
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Leraika posted:I'm not 100% sure I know what's going on, other than the fact that Maaku somehow faked being shot in the head? Don't worry, it'll be intricately over-explained over the next hour or so.
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Aug 27, 2018 17:59
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Clarste posted:Don't worry, it'll be intricately over-explained over the next hour or so. The escape plan is not that hard to summarize (once it's not a spoiler anymore). My only criticism is that it does not end with
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Aug 27, 2018 18:13
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it turns out hamiru never existed the whole game~~
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Aug 27, 2018 18:17
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Yeah, the "twist" is that this was never a murder-mystery game. It's a heist game. And in pretty much every heist film/show/book, the "traitor" is always known.
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Aug 27, 2018 18:25
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Arist posted:I’m just going to reiterate that none of this TV report is subbed, so if you’re one of those hardcore weebs who plays everything in Japanese even when there’s a perfectly fine dub sitting in front of you, you ingrate (and also, Persona 5), you have no idea what the gently caress just happened, and it’s the entire point of the scene.
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Aug 27, 2018 18:29
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Omobono posted:The escape plan is not that hard to summarize (once it's not a spoiler anymore). I meant the game over-explains it.
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Aug 27, 2018 18:31
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I remember when I first played this game I thought I had somehow messed things up so the end of that animated cutscene was very reassuring.
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Aug 27, 2018 18:32
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Clarste posted:Don't worry, it'll be intricately over-explained over the next hour or so. I was just afraid I'd missed something because everyone was acting like it was already explained. 
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Aug 27, 2018 18:34
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Clarste posted:I meant the game over-explains it. Sorry, I meant to reassure viewers.
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Aug 27, 2018 19:03
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ApeHawk posted:Yeah, the "twist" is that this was never a murder-mystery game. Unless there's 2
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Aug 27, 2018 19:49
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tbh i'm looking forward to the over-explanation because i have no idea what the gently caress is going on
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Aug 27, 2018 21:24
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Kith posted:tbh i'm looking forward to the over-explanation because i have no idea what the gently caress is going on I'm in the same boat.
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Aug 27, 2018 22:09
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I love this part, just wish the game didn't overexplain it when they go over it all.
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Aug 27, 2018 22:32
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All this talk about overexplaining makes me wonder if we're in for some kind of Metal Gear Solid 4 length cutscene.
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Aug 27, 2018 22:43
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:All this talk about overexplaining makes me wonder if we're in for some kind of Metal Gear Solid 4 length cutscene. Let's just say you might want to bring a sandwich or two.
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Aug 27, 2018 22:53
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:All this talk about overexplaining makes me wonder if we're in for some kind of Metal Gear Solid 4 length cutscene. Morgana reveals that he really isn't a human after all, he's Ocelot who hypnotized himself into thinking he was a cat who believes he is a human.
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Aug 27, 2018 22:54
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Funky Valentine posted:Morgana reveals that he really isn't a human after all, he's Ocelot who hypnotized himself into thinking he was a cat who believes he is a human. Except he's an actual Ocelot
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Aug 27, 2018 23:09
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D1Sergo posted:Except he's an actual Ocelot This is canon.
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Aug 28, 2018 00:43
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Leraika posted:I'm not 100% sure I know what's going on, other than the fact that Maaku somehow faked being shot in the head? Don't worry, as others have said, the overexplaining cut scene and dialogue will be coming. It confused the hell outta me the first time I saw it too, despite having it explained to me beforehand, but the next scene should be good to clear up what happened. And if it isn't, they'll go over it a couple more times to make sure that you will understand before moving on. KDavisJr posted:It's quite obvious. To be Yeah, these are pretty much my thoughts on this part as well, especially of the SIU Director.
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Aug 28, 2018 02:57
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Arist posted:
It's the rest of the group, minus Morgana (obviously) and Akechi. The katakana reads, from top to bottom: "Group," "Joker," "Skull," "Queen," "Panther," "Inari," and "Noir." .....katakana is about as much Japanese as I can understand these days.
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Aug 28, 2018 03:38
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Leraika posted:I'm not 100% sure I know what's going on, other than the fact that Maaku somehow faked being shot in the head? Oh no, Maaku was shot in the head all right. You don't get much more shot in the head than he was.
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Aug 28, 2018 05:22
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Leraika posted:I'm not 100% sure I know what's going on, other than the fact that Maaku somehow faked being shot in the head? No, we're loving dead as hell. What happened is that we bought that game system and earned an extra life in it. That transferred over, thanks to this whole cognition thing, so we're just going to get right back up after they toss our corpse.
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Aug 28, 2018 09:15
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I haven't played any of the Persona games but I'm vaguely aware that this is the game series where previous protagonists shot themselves in the head a lot, so I'm expecting that'll have something to do with the twist.
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Aug 28, 2018 11:51
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Gort posted:I haven't played any of the Persona games but I'm vaguely aware that this is the game series where previous protagonists shot themselves in the head a lot, so I'm expecting that'll have something to do with the twist. different thing, the p3 protagonists summoned their personas by confronting their own mortality so they had gun-shaped doodads meant to evoke the pain and fear of suicide without the actual dying bit
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Aug 28, 2018 13:14
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RareAcumen posted:No, we're loving dead as hell. What happened is that we bought that game system and earned an extra life in it. That transferred over, thanks to this whole cognition thing, so we're just going to get right back up after they toss our corpse. i swear to god if this is the actual twist edit: I can already tell that there are people who are gonna be like "lol ur so gullible" like no okay this is a series where a mascot bear grew a human body by doing enough sit-ups "you earned an extra life in a videogame so it transferred over to the metaverse" is 100% plausible
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Aug 28, 2018 17:48
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My guess is he shot a false cognition of Maaku, personally. After the phone.
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Aug 28, 2018 17:55
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Oxxidation posted:different thing, the p3 protagonists summoned their personas by confronting their own mortality so they had gun-shaped doodads meant to evoke the pain and fear of suicide without the actual dying bit Aren't they also tasers, so it's the shape plus the sudden shock of electricity that does it.
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Aug 28, 2018 18:15
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Lord_Magmar posted:Aren't they also tasers, so it's the shape plus the sudden shock of electricity that does it. No, they're... well, complicated. Short version is that they contain a chunk of the goddess Nyx and putting one to someone's head and activating it causes them to briefly perfectly understand the inevitability of death. That probably didn't actually help explain anything.
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Aug 28, 2018 19:04
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Kith posted:i swear to god if this is the actual twist Yeah! It's nearly impossible to say that something's 'absurd' for this game because we're taking model guns into a phone dimension and they turn into either: A pistol, shotgun, machine gun, grenade launcher, slingshot, laser gun, or assault rifle. At this point it's just a matter of 'well it would've been nice if they had mentioned that was a possibility.' Like, what if next time we go into a Palace and Haru merges with her Persona like its Digimon Frontier or something? Stroth posted:No, they're... well, complicated. Short version is that they contain a chunk of the goddess Nyx and putting one to someone's head and activating it causes them to briefly perfectly understand the inevitability of death. It's a magical energy focuser that happens to look like a gun because Persona 3 had a real depressing air to it. This game has you tear off masks to summon your Persona, in Persona 3 you put the not gun, AKA Evoker to your head and pulled the trigger to make it happen.
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Aug 28, 2018 21:24
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RareAcumen posted:It's a magical energy focuser that happens to look like a gun because Persona 3 had a real depressing air to it. This game has you tear off masks to summon your Persona, in Persona 3 you put the not gun, AKA Evoker to your head and pulled the trigger to make it happen. except for the twelve-year old, who gut-shoots himself
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Aug 28, 2018 21:27
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Why are the P4 cast the only ones in the newer games able to summon without any mutilation or suicidal vibes?
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Aug 28, 2018 21:31
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Oxxidation posted:except for the twelve-year old, who gut-shoots himself Ah, fair. I totally forgot how they did it specifically. I should've said they all turn the Not!gun on themselves in some way and then pull the trigger.
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Aug 28, 2018 21:39
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Why are the P4 cast the only ones in the newer games able to summon without any mutilation or suicidal vibes? Primarily because they accepted their Shadows are part of themselves and thus came to an understanding with their Persona. P3 Persona users have to trigger fight or flight for the power to break loose, while P5 users never really saw their own Shadows either, and just had the power well up in their times of desperate need. In terms of ease of use, it's probably P4 > P5 > P3, simply because P3 users CANNOT use their Personae without that extra tool.
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Aug 28, 2018 21:41
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Prythian posted:Primarily because they accepted their Shadows are part of themselves and thus came to an understanding with their Persona. P3 Persona users have to trigger fight or flight for the power to break loose, while P5 users never really saw their own Shadows either, and just had the power well up in their times of desperate need. In terms of ease of use, it's probably P4 > P5 > P3, simply because P3 users CANNOT use their Personae without that extra tool. iirc the Arena games expand on this. It's mentioned that they CAN summon without evokers, but it's difficult. Except in the TV world, where summoning a Persona is apparently inherently much easier, so everyone does it without an external tool.
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Aug 28, 2018 21:48
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During the Arena games while the P3 cast is inside the TV world they notice they're able to summon their personas at will without an evoker. Though Mitsuru also mentions she's done that once or twice in the real world, but it was way more difficult. Likewise the P4 cast are surprised to learn that Fuuka is able to use her persona in the real world to contact them. Presumably if either group ended up inside a Palace then they'd get the masked intruder gimmick.
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Aug 28, 2018 21:48
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RareAcumen posted:Ah, fair. I totally forgot how they did it specifically. i just wanted to emphasize that ken amada is a disturbed little twerp i think koromaru had his evoker in the form of a shock collar, too
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Aug 28, 2018 22:18
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Actually, yeah, the TV world making things easier is a fair point. Really, aside from the Dark Hour, all of these things are simply aspects of the collective unconsciousness, and so some thought of humanity is probably responsible for it being different for each area.
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Aug 28, 2018 22:23
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The real question is, would Evokers fire actual ammo in the Metaverse since they look pretty real?
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Thinking about it, getting a Persona means going through one or two of the 5 stages of grief. For the record: first is Denial, second Anger, third Bargaining, fourth Depression, and finally Acceptance. Denial and Acceptance go with Persona 4, Anger with Persona 5, and Depression with Persona 3.
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