Pirate Radar posted:

Wait no yeah why Manchuria

Grapplejack posted:

Were something to happen that would facilitate the end of the regime that did not also end in nuclear war there's a really good chance that Xinjiang, Manchuria, and Tibet all make moves to form their own countries while China is imploding.


literally no one but you said this.

GlassEye-Boy posted:

I’m sure the millions of Chinese living in Xinjiang and Tibet would totally agree to form a independent country.

Snipee posted:

Tibet is still overwhelmingly populated by Tibetans (around 90%). Xinjiang does have a large Han population, but they are mostly concentrated in the northern urban areas. The southern part of Xinjiang is mostly made up of Uyghurs, so I can imagine them breaking away at their first opportunity.

GlassEye-Boy posted:

I’m sure the millions of Chinese living in Xinjiang and Tibet would totally agree to form a independent country.

GlassEye-Boy posted:

So the Chinese living in those areas don’t get a say then? Or are you proposing that those regions be split further depending on the majority population.

Also once China stabilizes likely the first thing they’ll do is roll in the military.

Mantis42 posted:

Granted, you could use the same arguments to defend Israeli settlers.

Grapplejack posted:

Tibet also technically has an exiled ruler in the Dalai Lama; if China collapses it would be silly to imagine he wouldn't come back in.

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

Reminder that the RoC has the same territorial claims as the PRC

Bloodnose posted:

They claim substantially more, actually, including all of Mongolia and bits of Russia. They don't make any attempts to enforce any of those claims though and only maintain them because dropping them would be a declaration of independence.

Snipee posted:

This comparison is especially appropriate because much like the colonists in the Israeli settlements, many of the Han settlers are only in Xinjiang because the government subsidizes their existence by providing them with security and ample economic opportunities. Even if the Han were granted equal rights in a newly independent Tibet or East Turkestan, many of them would willingly leave. Few Jews would want to live in an independent Palestine, and I imagine that few Han would want to live in an independent Tibet/East Turkestan if they weren’t being incentivized to do so.

icantfindaname posted:

Russians in Kazakhstan is a better example I think. They were heavily concentrated in the steppe north of the country as opposed to the core Central Asian south. Kazakhstan was over 40% Russian in the 70s and is still 20% Russian as of 2016 per wikipedia. Promoting separatist nationalism in Turkic bits of the USSR was also a major obsession of the CIA and Western foreign policy

It’s also a fairly positive story from the Xinjiang perspective. There was no genocide of the Kazakhs even though there were actually more Russians than Kazakhs in the Kazakh SSR for a while, and ethnic relations post independence seem to have been pretty good. Most Russians left not because of ethnic tension but because Kazakhstan is economically underdeveloped

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Introducing the Ali A.I. Voice Anti-Garbage Service, an innovation from tech giant Alibaba that uses voice-recognition technology to identify pornography.

The tool can detect pornographic content — which is illegal in China, if vaguely defined by law — spoken in numerous languages and dialects, including English, Japanese, Russian, Cantonese, Sichuanese, and Hunanese. The salacious sounds have nowhere to hide, as audio content can be monitored both on local files and during real-time playback.

The testing phase for the new service began on Aug. 20, and it is slated to be launched in September, according to state-run newspaper Science and Technology Daily. The program will be the latest addition to Alibaba’s arsenal of porn-busting technologies used to identify sexual — or “yellow,” to use the Chinese term — content in videos, images, and text.

An unnamed representative from Alibaba’s security department told Science and Technology Daily that the program works by first converting audio into text, which it then checks against a database of tens of thousands of disallowed terms. Beyond key words and phrases, the program also scans for sounds that may be suspect. Just like a child, the source said, the technology needs to be “trained” to differentiate sounds — for example, by processing volumes of Cantonese TV dramas.

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The thankless job of sifting through thousands of images for pornographic content — or the bulk of it at least — falls to “porn identifiers,” a post held mostly by women who are married, in accordance with the job’s requirements. But if their task falls to machines, as some media fear, they may find themselves squeezed out of a job.

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In addition to this irresponsible misreporting, Reuters and other Western outlets have attempted to fill in the gaps left by McDougall, referring to reports made by so-called “activist group” the Network of Chinese Human Rights Defenders (CHRD). Conveniently left out of the story is that this organization is headquartered in Washington, DC.

Publicly available 990 IRS filing forms reviewed by the Grayzone show that the organization is substantially funded by government grants. In fact, in 2015 virtually all of the organization’s revenue came from government grants.

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The near-total reliance on Washington-linked sources is characteristic of Western reporting on Uighurs Muslims in China, and the country in general, which regularly features sensational headlines and allegations. In addition to CHRD and RFA, it is common for reports to cite the World Uighur Congress, an organization funded by the NED. At a recent NED event, Grayzone editor Max Blumenthal interviewed World Uighur Congress chairman Omer Kanat, who took credit for furnishing many of the claims of internment camps to Western media.

Grapplejack posted:

So did Kanat cackle evilly when he was detailing his master plan to Blumenthal or what

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

https://grayzoneproject.com/2018/08/23/un-did-not-report-china-internment-camps-uighur-muslims/


Interesting how quickly the camp narrative falls apart when you follow the money:

Silver2195 posted:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...m=.e580acb06409

The evidence in this article seems compelling. Are the Uighurs who claim to have been in these camps all lying? What about the government procurement and construction bids?

For that matter, what about the Chinese government's own admission that "those deceived by religious extremism... shall be assisted by resettlement and re-education?"

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

The native informants america relies on can be divided into two groups :

1) World Uighur Congress and other AstroTurf groups headquartered in DC that’s basically an American regime change front

2) actual people who were detained for terrorism and terror related charges

The former is just an outlet of the state department and the latter are separatists operating in a nation state where separatism is illegal. America loves backing islamists despite the inevitable blowback because American foreign policy is a crude cudgel.

I find it amazing that the same tricks (including using native informers of dubious integrity) got this country into Iraq under false pretenses are now being used again and people are just going along with it willingly.

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

Information is so tightly controlled in the West by corporate media that it serves no benefit to try and change the narrative when everything you do is going to get spun negatively. To paraphrase Malcolm X, American papers get you riled up about the oppressed and loving the oppressors.

Silver2195 posted:

Who do you think the oppressors and oppressed are in this situation, exactly?

Silver2195 posted:

Who do you think the oppressors and oppressed are in this situation, exactly?

Silver2195 posted:

Who do you think the oppressors and oppressed are in this situation, exactly?

Grapplejack posted:

You're really telling me that the CIA, which had a ton of operatives and moles die because they had them phone home to the CIA website, are also running a shadowy cabal of uyghir """terrorists""" in order to hurt Chinese control over Xinjiang?

And this is also all being masterminded by a group of Uyghurs who has been making this story up to sell to the press?

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_Tibetan_program

Silver2195 posted:

I don't think it's inherently absurd that some part of the US government could be funding Uighur dissidents, even violent ones. But you haven't provided any actual evidence for it. Moreover, it is absurd to suggest that such a program would justify imprisoning hundreds of thousands of people in secret camps without due process.

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

Certainly China should just let US backed Islamic terrorists roam freely because woke liberals in the west might be upset

Silver2195 posted:

I don't think it's inherently absurd that some part of the US government could be funding Uighur dissidents, even violent ones. But you haven't provided any actual evidence for it. Moreover, it is absurd to suggest that such a program would justify imprisoning hundreds of thousands of people in secret camps without due process.