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Grand Fromage posted:You seem to be using a different definition of conservative. Though there is a lot of creativity in the realm of snacks, that is true. There isn't really though, even with snacks. The new/seasonal flavored KitKats are kind of the exception that proves the rule and certainly not indicative of Japanese cuisine as a whole.
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the stereotype of british food being awful was mostly formed during the rationing of world war two
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Aug 29, 2018 03:08
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Japanese cuisine has like four seasonings that make up everything: dashi, soy sauce, mirin, and deep fried.
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Aug 29, 2018 03:14
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Tunicate posted:the stereotype of british food being awful was mostly formed during the rationing of world war two Japanese food can get pretty weird. If you’re thinking “what? eating a whole baby octopus is not weird” then it must be a pretty high bar. I can’t imagine being in a restaurant in England and asking what is on the plate...”well yeah it’s eyeballs but WTH...those things have eyes?”. SLOSifl has a new favorite as of 03:25 on Aug 29, 2018 |
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Aug 29, 2018 03:19
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Grand Fromage posted:You seem to be using a different definition of conservative. Though there is a lot of creativity in the realm of snacks, that is true. Maybe it's semantics, but I don't think so. What are people meaning by conservative? Put it this way: the average Japanese person probably wouldn't find anything inedible in British cuisine, beyond personal preferences/allergies/whatever, but I'm pretty adventurous about food and I've been served stuff here a number of times that I found difficult to eat.
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Aug 29, 2018 03:49
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OutsideAngel posted:Japanese cuisine has like four seasonings that make up everything: dashi, soy sauce, mirin, and deep fried. Wasabi and teriyaki.
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Aug 29, 2018 03:57
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bike tory posted:Maybe it's semantics, but I don't think so. What are people meaning by conservative? What I'm meaning by conservative is Japanese cuisine is very resistant to change. You think natto is adventurous, but Japanese ppl in Kanto/Touhoku at least have been eating natto for literally centuries, if not longer. Wikipedia dates the "modern" incarnation of tempura back to the 16th century. Probably the most adventurous/innovative area of Japanese food is ramen, which is still kind of considered a dish borrowed from China. A lot of ramen places still bill their food as Chinese soba. I dunno, the concept is so fundamental to Japanese food that there's too many examples to choose from. I mean look at what people outside Japan have done with (to) sushi versus how it's made in Japan. Regarding your second point, my wife's family (Japanese) lived in the UK for years and they all say that except for breakfast, tea and fish and chips British food was uniformly disgusting. They mainly ate Chinese and Indian. Biggest complaints were everything being overcooked, underseasoned and too chewy/stringy. Small sample size, but there you go.
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My definition is the same as Stringent's. I agree ramen is the most vibrant/creative area of Japanese food, its foreignness gives people license to experiment. I do think the snacks (and drinks) are more creative than you're giving credit but that could just be me coming as an occasional tourist versus living there. China is a bad country but its food game is extremely strong and it has the best snacks for Asia. Korea's really bad at snacks, there's not much variety and literally everything is coated in sugar so it's all gross.
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You are basically saying that it’s not weird because it’s been historically and culturally isolated, but that is exactly why it’s weird. It only makes sense to look at it from the outside - of course its “conservatism” makes it familiar to Japanese people. My family hasn’t been eating natto for a long time, so it’s less likely that I’m gonna slam down a wad of beanslime like I grew up on it. I guess the bottom line is still that it’s relative to your perspective. I suppose if your definition of weird is more like “why would you do that to perfectly good food?” instead of “what is that from and does it lay eggs with it?” it makes sense. SLOSifl has a new favorite as of 04:35 on Aug 29, 2018 |
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Aug 29, 2018 04:23
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Aight it's semantics then, I see what y'all are saying so whatever. How about this then: Japanese food is way more diverse in just about every way (texture, flavours, ingredients, cooking style, etc) than British food.
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Aug 29, 2018 04:50
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bike tory posted:Aight it's semantics then, I see what y'all are saying so whatever. How about this then: Japanese food is way more diverse in just about every way (texture, flavours, ingredients, cooking style, etc) than British food. No argument there.
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I'm drinking cucumber beer right now and I like it a lot. Edit: moved on to a stout made from kelp. Also good. SulfurMonoxideCute has a new favorite as of 06:26 on Aug 29, 2018 |
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bike tory posted:Aight it's semantics then, I see what y'all are saying so whatever. How about this then: Japanese food is way more diverse in just about every way (texture, flavours, ingredients, cooking style, etc) than British food.
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Aug 29, 2018 05:30
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bike tory posted:Aight it's semantics then, I see what y'all are saying so whatever. How about this then: Japanese food is way more diverse in just about every way (texture, flavours, ingredients, cooking style, etc) than (anglo-)British food.
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Aug 29, 2018 08:15
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MariusLecter posted:Wasabi and teriyaki. teriyaki is made from shoyu and mirin wasabi and mayo are condiments, not seasonings
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Aug 29, 2018 10:33
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How the hell do you people mention mirin but leave out sake?
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Aug 29, 2018 10:38
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Stringent posted:How the hell do you people mention mirin but leave out sake? We did it for your sake
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Aug 29, 2018 12:31
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The Bloop posted:We did it for your sake Ugh you're kirin me
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Aug 29, 2018 12:51
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Fish and chips is England's gift to the world
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Aug 29, 2018 12:58
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I've had fish & chips in a pub in Tokyo. Worst part was the beer tbh
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Aug 29, 2018 13:00
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Iron Crowned posted:Fish and chips is England's gift to the world And yet it's somehow done better in Australia imvho, I've had it over there and here in Aus and I reckon it's generally speaking (i.e. local places not high end) done way better here. Tasmania even more so
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Aug 29, 2018 13:02
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There are like 5 British or Irish pubs within 10 minutes walk of me in Tokyo. Haven't tried the fish and chips but NZ does it better
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Aug 29, 2018 13:03
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Anything tastes better when not eaten on Knifecrime Island, the despair that permeates that place extends to the food.
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Aug 29, 2018 13:04
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Yeah but I'm not bankrupted by going for an ambulance ride so it's swings & roundabouts
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Aug 29, 2018 13:05
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bike tory posted:There are like 5 British or Irish pubs within 10 minutes walk of me in Tokyo. Haven't tried the fish and chips but NZ does it better I can't exactly speak for Tokyo, but in America the Irish Pub is basically just a bar for randos who want to feel like they're cultured.
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Aug 29, 2018 13:08
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Iron Crowned posted:I can't exactly speak for Tokyo, but in America the Irish Pub is basically just a bar for randos who want to feel like they're cultured. I went to an "irish pub" in germany and basically all you have to do to call your place that is slap a bunch of shamrocks on everything and make the employees wear a lot of green. anyway english fish & chips is the best to me because i've never found another place that does fish and chips that serves the mushy peas instead of tartar sauce or whatever you get in the US.
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Aug 29, 2018 13:13
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I work in a British pub in Japan and the Japanese customers order the fish and chips almost exclusively. Freshly made meat pies? Lamb chop dinner for 2/3 the price? Literal, immortality-granting ambrosia? 99% of the time they'll still order the fish and chips.yeah I eat rear end posted:anyway english fish & chips is the best to me because i've never found another place that does fish and chips that serves the mushy peas instead of tartar sauce or whatever you get in the US. We tried serving mushy peas with the fish and chips but stopped because literally every Japanese customer sent them back untouched, and the owner didn't like the food waste.
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Aug 29, 2018 13:16
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yeah I eat rear end posted:I went to an "irish pub" in germany and basically all you have to do to call your place that is slap a bunch of shamrocks on everything and make the employees wear a lot of green. Yeah, that's the same here
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Aug 29, 2018 13:17
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The staff are Japanese but they serve a few Irish beers on tap and have vaguely Irish food available so it's more than just putting green on poo poo
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Aug 29, 2018 13:57
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yeah I eat rear end posted:anyway english fish & chips is the best to me because i've never found another place that does fish and chips that serves the mushy peas instead of tartar sauce or whatever you get in the US. Are mushy peas meant to be used in lieu of tartar sauce? A British pub in DC serves mushy peas in a little cup with the fish and I would just eat them straight. Was I doing it wrong?
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LadyPictureShow posted:Are mushy peas meant to be used in lieu of tartar sauce? A British pub in DC serves mushy peas in a little cup with the fish and I would just eat them straight. Was I doing it wrong? I don't remember, they might have served both but I hate tartar sauce so I probably just ignored it. As to how mushy peas are supposed to be applied, I don't know for sure but I just copied the first person I saw eating them when I was over there and put a bit on my fork then got a piece of fish and ate them together.
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They're peas. You just eat them, there's nowt special to it. They're summat moist so that you're not spitting feathers when you eat your Fish 'n Chips. Though a nice cuppa does the job too.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:I went to an "irish pub" in germany and basically all you have to do to call your place that is slap a bunch of shamrocks on everything and make the employees wear a lot of green. A nearby town has two Irish Pubs. One loudly proclaims its Irishness, proudly advertises Guinness, has green neon all over it, does live music, has special events for St. Patrick's. The other is called Marktklause, doesn't make a fuss about its image, serves Murphy's, low-key has U2 videos in the background, is half empty on St. Patrick's. Guess which one feels more like a pub in Ireland. I think Guinness is in big with the whole outfitting industry, anyway.
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Aug 29, 2018 15:09
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Good Planet Money story about the "Irish pub" export trade.
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OutsideAngel posted:I work in a British pub in Japan Just out of interest, which pub? British like The Tavern in Yokohama? British like The Rising Sun in Tokyo (has been Japanese-owned for years now)? British like the HUB chain (Union flags everywhere but only sells American pisswater)?
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Aug 29, 2018 16:13
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The Bloop posted:People can't choose to like things and you all should feel blessed that you tolerate or enjoy a wide range of foods. Seriously, it's awesome.  You can bring yourself to like any food if you try a tolerable amount every once in a while. Your brain doesn't understand how the flavor is Good but repeat exposure and/or exposure to other, similar flavors will eventually make it edible. A lot of times people don't like foods because they've never actually given it a real chance. I'm training myself to like raw tomato now because it's honestly bullshit I don't like raw tomato. It's taking a long time but it's fine. gently caress olives forever though.
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Aug 29, 2018 17:31
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Getting Stockholm Syndrome for food you can't stand by forcing yourself to eat it anyway.
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And a song by, actually some Australians, grumbling about "Irish" pubs. quote:We'll raise the price o' beer a dollar,
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Perry Mason Jar posted:
I’ve been forcing myself to eat mushrooms for at least 18 years at this point and I probably will again because I’m stubborn and they still taste like rubbery dirt to me. I think if you’re spending literal decades on a food giving it every chance you can and it’s still awful you could probably throw in the towel
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