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On a higher level, the design is kind of all over the place to the point that the style doesn't even synergize with itself. Abilities 1 and 3 require the use of a shield, but 2 requires the use of a two-handed weapon, or at least of a weapon two-handed. The flavor of #5 also feels off. You're drawing both on stereotypes of vikings as violent barbarians and a more accurate understanding of early medieval combat, which isn't a terrible idea (provided you can actually use both aspects, see above), but "ducking and weaving" doesn't really fit either of those concepts. Maybe all it needs is reflavoring (theme it around shield use perhaps?), but it definitely needs that.
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I recommend looking into the Hurt Locker styles, one of them (like weapon and shield) might accomplish what you’re going for without having to homebrew extra stuff.
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Tias posted:Okay, once more - I've tried not to hitch it on particular weapons this time, as well as remove unnecessary filler: E: Where can the Hurt Locker stuff be found? EE: That's the name of the supplement, gotcha
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In case it hasn't been mentioned for those like me who ordered the V5 slip case with the three books, I got an update to their downloader thing the other day where they gave me a code to get the physical core book early. As I understand it they'll ship it to you now and the rest of the stuff sans core book in like November which is nice I guess because I hate reading rules from pdf
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I'm re-reading Demon and can't see anything about specifically angels cover, is there any reason why intensive investigation shouldn't break an angels cover the same way a demons breaks? I think it would be a fun thing to happen in a hunter game.
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Pocky In My Pocket posted:I'm re-reading Demon and can't see anything about specifically angels cover, is there any reason why intensive investigation shouldn't break an angels cover the same way a demons breaks? I think it would be a fun thing to happen in a hunter game. You could easily use it to prove they aren’t a real person but it would have no real inherent consequences for them the way it does for demons because the God Machine already knows about them and backs them. Getting burned and hunted isn’t really an issue. Likewise, the ‘realness’ of who they are isn’t a problem for the, because they are functioning Infrastructure, they can just get reinforced. Angels have access to the resources of the Machine, which can just poo poo out covers with sufficient time to do so.
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It probably would, it's just less of a problem for angels because nothing happens if they lose their Cover except that their mission gets borked and they have to send Elimination Infrastructure to eat everybody who saw them, instead of actively being hunted down by God.
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Pocky In My Pocket posted:I'm re-reading Demon and can't see anything about specifically angels cover, is there any reason why intensive investigation shouldn't break an angels cover the same way a demons breaks? I think it would be a fun thing to happen in a hunter game. A demon's Cover is unstable because it doesn't have access to standard maintenance procedures and its primary function is to conceal the demon from the God-Machine, neither of which angels have to worry about. That said, you could easily fiat that a particular angel's maintenance Infrastructure has broken down, which has triggered a kind of "autoimmune" response that causes it's Cover to degrade like a demon's. Or just make the antagonist a demon. They're close enough for Hunter purposes, especially if it's an Integrator of some sort.
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Terrorforge posted:A demon's Cover is unstable because it doesn't have access to standard maintenance procedures and its primary function is to conceal the demon from the God-Machine, neither of which angels have to worry about. Actually that could still work. The big end plot is about a piece of infrastructure that the players will have a chance at destroying, so the idea that an angel is around to kinda guard it made sense, but it actually being an Intergrator works as well. The idea I wanted to go for is the players being briefed by a NPC demon "Before you investigate him, you should know that he's a monster who is hiding behind a fake identity", it amused me. But it works just as well with the target being a demon as well.
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Pocky In My Pocket posted:Actually that could still work. The big end plot is about a piece of infrastructure that the players will have a chance at destroying, so the idea that an angel is around to kinda guard it made sense, but it actually being an Intergrator works as well. Because of the way Cover degradation works, revealing bits and pieces frequently is far more dangerous to a Cover than revealing the whole truth at once, so straight telling them "he's definitely a monster" would only serve to inoculate the enemy against investigation. Instead, the maximally dickish thing to do is to pretend you don't know what's lurking behind the mask and just say "idk man there's something off about that guy, you should definitely look into it" and then feed them the info bit by bit.
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Would there be any interest in a Geist PBP game using the draft rules from the KS? I'm not sure how many people ended up backing it.
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I’d be up for trying, but it’s worth noting that navigating a doc before page references are plugged in can make it bumpy
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Basic Chunnel posted:I’d be up for trying, but it’s worth noting that navigating a doc before page references are plugged in can make it bumpy Yeah, I was considering just waiting for the release. The search function on the PDF does mitigate the lack of page references somewhat as well
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neaden posted:Would there be any interest in a Geist PBP game using the draft rules from the KS? I'm not sure how many people ended up backing it. I would be up for it
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I know it's been mentioned in the thread once already, but Wellington Paranormal, the spinoff TV show featuring the police from What We Do In The Shadows, is great. I've only watched the first three episodes (out of six) but the neat thing is that the horror elements are almost always played straight and it's the characters themselves that are comedic, so it's almost like watching two humorous PCs get into a mortal police campaign in the CofD. Also a neat kind of look at the sort of view of "everyone kinda has a hint that the supernatural exists but doesn't mention stuff to anyone else".
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bewilderment posted:I know it's been mentioned in the thread once already, but Wellington Paranormal, the spinoff TV show featuring the police from What We Do In The Shadows, is great. I've only watched the first three episodes (out of six) but the neat thing is that the horror elements are almost always played straight and it's the characters themselves that are comedic, so it's almost like watching two humorous PCs get into a mortal police campaign in the CofD. Is there a legal way to watch it if you can't get to New Zealand?
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neaden posted:Would there be any interest in a Geist PBP game using the draft rules from the KS? I'm not sure how many people ended up backing it. Totally down for it.
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Terrorforge posted:A demon's Cover is unstable because it doesn't have access to standard maintenance procedures and its primary function is to conceal the demon from the God-Machine, neither of which angels have to worry about. If human beings are sussing that you're some form of supernatural entity then that's more of a ding to your Cover - though I'd be inclined to rule that if you'd done a good job of pretending to be a type of supernatural entity that the God-Machine is aware of you're doing better. (The "known unknowns" are Part Of The Plan - it's the "unknown unknowns" that the God-Machine gets grumpy about.)
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Warthur posted:If human beings are sussing that you're some form of supernatural entity then that's more of a ding to your Cover - though I'd be inclined to rule that if you'd done a good job of pretending to be a type of supernatural entity that the God-Machine is aware of you're doing better. (The "known unknowns" are Part Of The Plan - it's the "unknown unknowns" that the God-Machine gets grumpy about.) The demon I played used a spirit cover via that one exploit to very good effect for this reason. Amazing what sorts of overt supernatural nonsense you can get away with when you're pretending to be a spirit of conflict. Plus, as a ranking spirit of such, it's pretty easy to whip up a bunch of other related spirits into a fighting mood and basically have yourself a waaugh. Edit: furthermore, Show of Power lets you make the act look a lot more authentic. I also used to use it to imitate mage magic a lot. This resulted in our enemies blaming local mages for the longest time since there was tracable wizard magic and a spirit that was acting a lot like if they were bound to a specific task. Obligatum VII fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Sep 4, 2018 |
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Barbed Tongues posted:Is there a legal way to watch it if you can't get to New Zealand? SBS On Demand has it in Australia, I don't know if they IP block. e: looks like they do. You can also see if you can proxy your way into https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/wellington-paranormal . bewilderment fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Sep 6, 2018 |
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Posting here since the Bloodlines thread is archived - Wadjet Eye Games (of many excellent Lucasarts adventure throwbacks fame) and one of the Failbetter guys (of Sunless Sea / Fallen London / that little pre-Inquisition Dragon Age webgame) are kickstarting a text-heavy CYOA RPG explicitly pitched as a spiritual descendant of Bloodlines. Check it out - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/753131002/nighthawks-the-vampire-rpg-0
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Yeah, Unavowed and Technobabylon bought enough goodwill to back it. More than, actually. Looking forward to it.
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I thought that thread would outlive the forums. End of an era. That does looks interesting, specially with Wadjet Eye doing the heavy lifting. My favorite part of the preview is that the masquerade dropping doesn't even warrant front-page news. Must be set in 2016.
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ZearothK posted:I thought that thread would outlive the forums. End of an era.
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Remember it? Buddy, I'm one of the Setites they remade into Nagaraja!
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Setites are one of these clans I hated back in the day but at some point I "got" them and now I love them and want to play one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbckvO7VYxk
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When it came to Masquerade I always wanted to like it but the clans were so unappealing to me. A Ventrue of the Camarilla? Might as well be a US Senator. The Setites and Baali (though I quickly surmised that playing a Baali was likely forbidden and a Setite frowned upon) seemed to throw all the stuff I didn't like into the bin, though, and have kept some of my interest anchored there. Here's hoping they get the Sabbat and extra folks playable in V5.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Setites are one of these clans I hated back in the day but at some point I "got" them and now I love them and want to play one. The Revised book helped them a lot for my money.
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The Revised Setites and Assamites are both massive improvements.
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Setites are the best, and their novels are also the best. No joke, the two Setite novels are like, genuinely good reads stand-alone even working the limits imposed by being part of their broader narrative spans (add in the two Ravnos novels and boom, gold, and then ignore the rest). I think they're probably the single best pieces of fiction written in the entire run of the oWoD.
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Pope Guilty posted:The Revised Setites and Assamites are both massive improvements. Yeah, they're seriously good books and give plenty of cool hooks for players and storytellers. Loomer posted:Setites are the best, and their novels are also the best. No joke, the two Setite novels are like, genuinely good reads stand-alone even working the limits imposed by being part of their broader narrative spans (add in the two Ravnos novels and boom, gold, and then ignore the rest). I think they're probably the single best pieces of fiction written in the entire run of the oWoD. The Demon trilogy by Greg Stolze are amazing and I remember the Mummy trilogy being alright if kind of pointless.
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The Mummy Trilogy is alright, but not great. The Demon ones are great, as are a couple of the Wraith ones, but nothing beats out the Setite ones for my money. Victorian Age Vampire's trilogy was also quite good.
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The Setites and the Baali are among those vampire Clans I feel perhaps do better as Sects. The way they're framed in the core books always made me think of them more as vampire-religions than vampire-subspecies. Especially the Baali, who are already big on recruiting other vampires.
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LatwPIAT posted:The Setites and the Baali are among those vampire Clans I feel perhaps do better as Sects. The way they're framed in the core books always made me think of them more as vampire-religions than vampire-subspecies. Especially the Baali, who are already big on recruiting other vampires. Yeah I know they did that with the Setites in v20, I'm not sure where anything stands in V5, and the Baali seem to have gone away (or at least been so diminished as to be a very niche threat) in Modern Nights and stand as an enemy in the Dark Ages.
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I think I'd probably go ahead and have the Setites and Assamites both be akin to the Laibon, if I were charged with major reboots - a pair of sects both consisting of a bunch of clans/bloodlines (with real blurry lines between which belongs to which at times) mistakenly lumped into being A Clan as a whole by the cainites of Europe, leading to some great confusion later on. It's even easily explained as to how ancient vampires who should know better make the mistake by stating that it's a conscious deception by methuselae and elders who wanted to consolidate power bases without interference. So you might have your old Levantine Gangrel sitting among the Banu Haqim, but also a subbranch of them from Ethiopia who wind up affiliating with the Setite sect, and in the mix a pair of clans deriving from the original ones. I've also always been rather fond of the idea that the Ravnos and Gangrel aren't quite clans either, but a set of clans spawned by a pair of 2nd generation progenitors whose progeny all inherited the core discipline of each respectively. They're the clans that seem to diversify most readily and bud off into bloodlines. At that point they function almost as quasi-sects themselves, broad political labels encompassing clans of shared descent but distinct capacity and traditions, all of whom are mistaken by outsiders as a monolith because of their similarities.
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Loomer posted:I've also always been rather fond of the idea that the Ravnos and Gangrel aren't quite clans either, but a set of clans spawned by a pair of 2nd generation progenitors whose progeny all inherited the core discipline of each respectively. They're the clans that seem to diversify most readily and bud off into bloodlines. At that point they function almost as quasi-sects themselves, broad political labels encompassing clans of shared descent but distinct capacity and traditions, all of whom are mistaken by outsiders as a monolith because of their similarities.
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Loomer posted:Setites are the best, and their novels are also the best. No joke, the two Setite novels are like, genuinely good reads stand-alone even working the limits imposed by being part of their broader narrative spans (add in the two Ravnos novels and boom, gold, and then ignore the rest). I think they're probably the single best pieces of fiction written in the entire run of the oWoD. Kathleen Ryan is good civilization. I can't recall if she worked on actual supplements much, but I'd be interested to see which ones she did.
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Dawgstar posted:Kathleen Ryan is good civilization. I can't recall if she worked on actual supplements much, but I'd be interested to see which ones she did. She did Book of the Worlds and Euthanatos 1E, but those were mostly Brucato's work. Also has credits on Book of Madness's marauders section, Book of Shadows, Wraith, VtDA, Book of Mirrors and Book of Crafts, and Hengeyokai. Apparently she was the one behind the Amanda storyline, so I guess she had quite an influence over 1st and 2nd edition mage
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Loomer posted:She did Book of the Worlds and Euthanatos 1E, but those were mostly Brucato's work. Also has credits on Book of Madness's marauders section, Book of Shadows, Wraith, VtDA, Book of Mirrors and Book of Crafts, and Hengeyokai. Apparently she was the one behind the Amanda storyline, so I guess she had quite an influence over 1st and 2nd edition mage Oh, right. She wrote the Kitsune breedbook stuff in the back half of Hengeyokai. It was a fun read, even if I still don't know if I'd ever play one. Always wondered if they collected the Amanda stuff anywhere.
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How would you model a DnD-Style Warlock in Chronicles? Someone with a Faustian bargain, a pact with an eldritch Old God, or an empowered Cultist? Vanilla mortal who's been handed the keys to a lot of magical juju by a sponsor or patron?
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