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snack eater posted:Nacho's dad called 911 and just hung up. The police will come by your house to check on you if that happens. I predict this will somehow lead to Hank investigating his business as a drug front. 911 works differently on TV unless explicitly stated.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Uhhhh... That's not legal. It's how unemployment works. At least in Texas. If you apply for a job and they offer it to you, and they find out you didn't take it, you can lose your benefits. I don't think it would be illegal because this is a condition of getting his ability to practice law back. They can make whatever rules they want.
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and it's supposed to be Jimmy's fault that the insurance company found out about Chuck's illness but it seems like the insurance company should have been following the hearing and keeping up with the case themselves
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Boris Galerkin posted:"It's a prequel to Breaking Bad." Pretty lame to need to defer to another show to describe a show. prequel or no. Zulily Zoetrope posted:How do you normally describe shows to people? Ongoing plot, characters, personality, atmosphere - it really depends. My point is that this far into the show, none of those elements really stick out to me and I find myself wondering what the point is to a lot of it. Perfectly find admitting I might be alone there. Like if someone asked me the plot to Better Call Saul I would have to say "It's about a Lawyer who gets more and more sleazy as time goes on... And also, there's an unconnected story about totally unrelated characters who want to sell drugs... and also, there's a sad old man who is kind of a hardass who does shady jobs sometimes". Not saying casting a wide net is bad or anything, it's just that after all this time these disparate elements still feel like pieces of a different shows just mooshed together to me. There are other shows with lots of characters from different walks of life that feel much more cohesive. Take The Deuce, for example. It has you following porn stars, reporters, barmen, gangsters, the police, prostitutes and folks just living day-to-day lives in New York but still feels like a single show with a cohesive identity.
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Voxx posted:I can't believe jimmy would rather Here I can see it, most times I roll my eyes when a tv show pulls the "I don't want to go to therapy because that will mean I admit I have problems". But I like the extra layer of Jimmy not wanting to go to therapy, possibly because he doesn't want to admit Chuck has had a big impact on him.
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Calico Heart posted:Pretty lame to need to defer to another show to describe a show. prequel or no. These are completely valid complaints. The show didn't start off as the Breaking Bad Prequel Variety Hour, but it morphed into it because it would ensure viewership. One of their initial goals was that you wouldn't need to have seen Breaking Bad to enjoy this show, but someone who hasn't seen Breaking Bad would still be questioning why Mike and Nacho are important in this show about Jimmy/Saul, four seasons in. There is SO MUCH potential for fun and hijinks and low and high stakes poo poo in Jimmy's story but he's now been reduced to 1/3rd of the running time, and again, four seasons in and there still seems to be a very big gap between Jimmy and Saul. I find Jimmy's character to be significantly more interesting than Mike and Nacho, and Jimmy's story has never felt like Breaking Bad fanservice, while most of Mike and the Cartel has. All said and done, all three aspects of BCS are still really good, but they also detract from each other.
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I still enjoy the show but the fact it's sort of like three shows that only occasionally brush against one another is a big negative. As stated, we're well into the fourth season now. Every season I think that "next year is the year it all comes together" and it never is. It shouldn't need Breaking Bad to make it make sense.
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They should have just called it “Prequel” instead of putting a character’s name in the title.
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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:The show didn't start off as the Breaking Bad Prequel Variety Hour, but it morphed into it because it would ensure viewership. The very first episode ends with a “holy poo poo, it’s Tuco!!” reveal
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emgeejay posted:The very first episode ends with a “holy poo poo, it’s Tuco!!” reveal But done in such a way that it works even better just being "holy poo poo, I thought I was walking up to some old lady's house but instead here's an intimidating dude who looks pissed off". You aren't missing anything not knowing who he is. The dramatic pan to the Los Pollos Hermanos sign, on the other hand...
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After the show's over, I'd like a fan edit which splits the show into separate Saul and Mike shows. Within the Mike show, it should reorganize the scenes with Nacho or Gus but without Mike to occur as sequentially as possible. It'd make a rewatch more interesting and make it easier to remember what's going on by keeping track of fewer characters at a time. Since we have the Internet now, we should start letting individual viewers choose an organization for themselves, like how David Attenborough's Life of Birds documentary's scenes could be organized by life cycle stage or species discussed.
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Ditocoaf posted:The dramatic pan to the Los Pollos Hermanos sign, on the other hand... Probably the dumbest moment on the whole show. Anyone who watched Breaking Bad or paid attention to the promotional material knew what it was already, anyone who didn't would be like "...okay?" Jerkface posted:bcs is an indepth character study focused on saul goodman and the people he interacts with and shows his slow descent and integration into true criminal lawyer status I think they banked too heavily on assuming the audience would care about the details of Mike's personal life. He works great as a supporting character, but I don't think he works as a main character. Even in season 1 of BCS they already established that, while he has a moral code, he is willing to break it to do whatever it takes to survive. There isn't really anywhere else for his character to go between there and his position in Breaking Bad. We know he will just keep continuing to work with Gus and gradually be assigned more and more unethical jobs to gain his trust. I also find Nacho's arc to be overly simple, but at least with him, we don't know his fate. We know Jimmy's fate, but we know that there is still more to his story after Breaking Bad, and unlike with Mike, we also don't know how Jimmy will evolve into his position in Breaking Bad. They really could and should have based the entire show around Jimmy and the nuances and intricacies between his relationships with Kim, Hamlin, Chuck, etc. and him taking on more and more unethical stunts and scams. To me, that is the bread and butter of this show and what made it stand out. Most episodes of BCS are plenty entertaining, but all of this stops it from joining the ranks of all time best television shows for me.
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The non-Jimmy element of the show should be much more focused on Nacho, and Nacho should be more fleshed out than he currently is. He's the one character where we don't know how his story will pay off, so the show should really get inside his life and drop the "look, Gus is buying the laundromat now!!!!" scenes. One reason the drug plotline is falling flat is that Nacho has no one to interact interestingly with. He's almost completely on his own, surrounded by silent-type gangsters. He was most interesting when he was the brains reining Tuco in, but then they wrote Tuco out. He and Jimmy were supposed to be tangled up together and get a dynamic going, and plot-wise they eventually will meet again, but they've literally not spoken since S1. Supercar Gautier fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Aug 29, 2018 |
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boop the snoot posted:I usually just say if I like it and if I think you would like it and that’s about it. Half the people in this thread couldn't truthfully say they like it though
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I tell people (who would enjoy slow-paced drama) that: I wholeheartedly recommend the first season, whether they saw BB or not, it's some of the best TV I've ever seen. The creators of BB took all the skills they developed over the course of that show (in plotting, character focus and cinematography), and put it into a new thing with a slightly different feel and multiple perfectly-tuned character arcs. And that the other seasons still have consistently strong cinematography and occasional moments of storytelling greatness, but there's a lot that's mostly there for people who just want to see their favorite Breaking Bad characters doing stuff again, so it might not be worth your time if that doesn't describe you.
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Who gives a f about telling other people about it. It's a complete wankfest for people (like me) who loved Breaking Bad not only for its drama/plot but also its incredible cast, cinematography, basically just high quality everything. It's clearly not intended at this point for people who have not seen Breaking Bad. I'll be the first to admit that the two sides of the show are not hanging together like they would in other shows (not really even sharing themes etc), but I've come to accept that also is not their intention. We have an A plot and a B plot. However they are both A+ to watch.
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snack eater posted:and it's supposed to be Jimmy's fault that the insurance company found out about Chuck's illness This still really bugs me and I hope they fix it.
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Chadzok posted:Who gives a f about telling other people about it. It's a complete wankfest for people (like me) who loved Breaking Bad not only for its drama/plot but also its incredible cast, cinematography, basically just high quality everything. It's clearly not intended at this point for people who have not seen Breaking Bad. There are three distinct plots to this show: How Jimmy Became Saul, Mike Does Stuff, and Nacho's Cartel Struggles. Jimmy hasn't spoken to Nacho since season 1. Jimmy and Mike only occasionally talk or meet for a favor. Mike has performed one favor for Nacho. The only ongoing link between Mike and Nacho is Gus, who has not and may never work with Jimmy. Things are poised for Mike to be the middle-man in everything, but Jimmy's plot is still so distant from Gus and the cartel that it doesn't seem anywhere in sight.
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Chadzok posted:It's a complete wankfest for people (like me) who loved Breaking Bad not only for its drama/plot but also its incredible cast, cinematography, basically just high quality everything. It's clearly not intended at this point for people who have not seen Breaking Bad. But man, it could have been its own, amazing thing. It was, for a short time. I only liked Breaking Bad so much, it was "pretty good" in my books, and the first season of Better Call Saul surpassed it. Now I'm kinda hoping that they wrap up BCS in as few seasons as possible, so I can see the people behind the show move on to make new things. All this incredible talent, this stunning quality of writing, filmmaking and acting, built around a core spine of "man, it's too bad Breaking Bad had to end. Can we pretend it didn't end?".
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It's almost like the three best characters in Breaking Bad were Saul, Mike, and Gus, and so the prequel is featuring them even though their backstories may not converge. Hey that is just what I wanted this show to be.
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Ditocoaf posted:But man, it could have been its own, amazing thing. It was, for a short time. I only liked Breaking Bad so much, it was "pretty good" in my books, and the first season of Better Call Saul surpassed it. I enjoy it and think the whole thing is good and id rather then make a show I like instead of a show I complain about but still watch anyway.
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Sub Rosa posted:It's almost like the three best characters in Breaking Bad were Saul, Mike, and Gus, and so the prequel is featuring them even though their backstories may not converge. Hey that is just what I wanted this show to be. I have never seen those 3 together described as the best before.
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in my opinion, the show is actually very good and these posts that want it taken away from usDitocoaf posted:Now I'm kinda hoping that they wrap up BCS in as few seasons as possible, so I can see the people behind the show move on to make new things. All this incredible talent, this stunning quality of writing, filmmaking and acting, built around a core spine of "man, it's too bad Breaking Bad had to end. Can we pretend it didn't end?". are not. also: i listened to the most recent podcast and i definitely did not expect the cousins to have voices that sounded like that
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No one complaining is saying that the show is bad or that you shouldn’t like it or that they’re watching it just to complain. It’s totally fine if you like it as is.
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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:No one complaining is saying that the show is bad or that you shouldn’t like it or that they’re watching it just to complain. It’s totally fine if you like it as is. But why do they watch it if they only have things to complain about It’s annoying when a show is enjoyed by people but a very vocal few have to tell you everything they think is wrong with it every single week with the exact same talking points. We get it. You wish it was multiple shows or that the plots would intertwine more. We won’t get it more next week when you say the same thing, we will get it the exact same amount we did last week. And the week before.
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boop the snoot posted:But why do they watch it if they only have things to complain about Critiquing the shows we like is like half the point of TVIV.
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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:Critiquing the shows we like is like half the point of TVIV. Yes but posting the same critique over and over and over again? It’s insufferable. Find something else to critique. We get it already.
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boop the snoot posted:Yes but posting the same critique over and over and over again? It’s insufferable. Find something else to critique. We get it already. I think there was a surge of the complaint after the recent episode because it didn’t really progress any of the three plots.
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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:I think there was a surge of the complaint after the recent episode because it didn’t really progress any of the three plots. Breaking Bad was never as stagnant as the previous episode of BCS, except for maybe Fly, but I know VG and crew would dedicate episodes to moving a bunch of storylines into a certain spot so that there could be a major payoff. They were way better at it with BB (which is a very high bar to clear and not a knock on BCS), but I’m certain that’s what they are doing with this.
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The difference probably was that they could make the stories intertwine in Breaking Bad, where they canonically can't in Better Call Saul. Maybe it would be better pacing wise to make it different shows, but that's not feasible. There's no Breaking Bad comic universe where they can just make three shows and have wacky crossovers every once in a while. That would suck anyway, because the people who only watch the saul show would get mad because they have to watch a different show to finish a story line. Though, to be honest, that's kind of why I stopped watching The Flash. They kept doing crossovers with the other shows that I didn't care about.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:911 works differently on TV unless explicitly stated. There's that explanation, and I also don't need a see it to assume that Nacho's dad takes him to a bedroom, cleans up any mess/blood that may be around, and then calmly tells the officers that it was a false alarm situation. It's only a step above assuming that Jimmy drove his car to work without seeing it, like it's not a difficult practical problem to solve and while it could be a somewhat tense scene there are better scenes to whip up.
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We really won't know if this episode was as unimportant as some feel it is until we see if its plot threads aren't built upon in a satisfying way. But I maintain that those saying it was an unsatisfying episode have a pretty good point. I learned nothing new about anybody on the show, and things barely moved. The biggest change was Jimmy working at a cell phone store and painting a window. I liked it anyway, but I totally get the "what the gently caress was the point of all of this?"
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I'm the target audience, apparently, because the Jimmy plotline is the least interesting of the three to me. I never found Saul Goodman so interesting as to warrant a spinoff, though.
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The Jimmy story was important because he took a lovely thing he had to do and turned it into something he wanted to do. He is required to have gainful employment, which he doesn't like. He turned it into something where he can help people commit crimes, which is something he likes. This is representative of Jimmy turning into Saul. In conclusion...
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