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Homer's Enemy pretty clearly has Homer being a jerk for reasons other than being laz or stupid. The people on the commentary even note that it's the episode where the Simpsons loses it's moral center.
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It worked in that case since it was the show was looking inward at itself.
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Aug 30, 2018 05:18
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The creators seemed to think that the show was winding down, so they were just trying stuff to see if it would stick.
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Aug 30, 2018 05:24
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Homer being a jerk in the New York episode is also warranted because he's having a really lovely time. However, season 9 in general is where jerkass Homer really comes out. I distinctly remember The Joy of Sect being the first episode that made me annoyed with Homer. He's completely insufferable in it and I consider it the first instance of full throttle jerkass Homer.
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Aug 30, 2018 06:36
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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:Homer being a jerk in the New York episode is also warranted because he's having a really lovely time. However, season 9 in general is where jerkass Homer really comes out. I distinctly remember The Joy of Sect being the first episode that made me annoyed with Homer. He's completely insufferable in it and I consider it the first instance of full throttle jerkass Homer. Well, it is the episode that coined the phrase "jerkass" after all. Though I'd argue that like with "Homer's Enemy" as explained above, it's another example of the show kind of parodying itself. His jerkassness is in service to the greater joke of the cult working on a guy that's somehow too stupid to brainwash (at first). It's one of the narrative tools they use in their overall comic dissection of cults. I'd say Homer doesn't become a jerk for no good narrative reason until maybe... "Trash of the Titans?" Or maybe "Homer to the Max." I'd that's about where the writers started confusing the self-satirizing meta-Homer from "Homer's Enemy" and "Joy of Sect" for the actual character.
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Aug 30, 2018 07:09
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sweet geek swag posted:Homer's Enemy pretty clearly has Homer being a jerk for reasons other than being laz or stupid. The people on the commentary even note that it's the episode where the Simpsons loses it's moral center. The people laughing at the funeral was funny, but it felt more like South Park or Family Guy.
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Aug 30, 2018 07:12
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Plan Z posted:That joke always stuck out so hard to me. Like it really comes off something modern Family Guy would do but with blood and guts and Peter screaming for a full minute. Around that time it felt like there were some more outlandish and surreal moments that were south park influenced. Some things felt like they were directly lifted from Cartman's mouth like Homer saying 'screw you guys' and 'I'm not fat, its glandular'. It stood out badly.
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Aug 30, 2018 07:46
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Pretty sure the lowest point of the Simpsons was getting the Op as a fan, Op.
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Aug 30, 2018 09:34
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SirPablo posted:I think there I general consensus that Stupid Homer becoming Jerk Homer was a tipping point. So when did Jerk Homer first appear? The Cartridge Family where Homer gets his gun is a big jerkass homer episode at the beginning of season 9. It gets away with it by being really very funny with the way he is a jerk but its a very obviously a character shift away from his regular "trying to do good badly" shtick.
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Aug 30, 2018 14:33
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Nutsngum posted:The Cartridge Family where Homer gets his gun is a big jerkass homer episode at the beginning of season 9. It gets away with it by being really very funny with the way he is a jerk but its a very obviously a character shift away from his regular "trying to do good badly" shtick. It also presents him with some actual consequences that are dealt with in a realistic way. It shows that he has a conscience but he's just dumb and it takes a while for it to hit him.
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Aug 30, 2018 14:55
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pooch516 posted:It also presents him with some actual consequences that are dealt with in a realistic way. It shows that he has a conscience but he's just dumb and it takes a while for it to hit him. True. It helps its a pretty well rounded storyline around the jokes.
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Aug 30, 2018 15:29
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When You Dish Upon a Star is the worst jerkass Homer and pointless celebrity guests up to that point.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:When You Dish Upon a Star is the worst jerkass Homer and pointless celebrity guests up to that point.
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JazzFlight posted:On an early seasons rewatch, I decided to wade into Season 10 a bit and stopped right at the episode where Homer finds out his middle name and becomes a hippie. That was the worst Homer had ever acted on the show so far, just complete rear end in a top hat to everyone. The hippie episode had some ok moments (I know a place that’ll saw your legs off!) but the plot is a train wreck. Mr. Burns wants to hire younger workers so Homer wants to become an actor and learns his middle name then joins hippies and gets the town high and now he’s shot in the head, uh roll credits. Definitely a case of the staff wanting George Carlin to appear but not caring about the story.
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When You Dish Upon a Star still has a little of that spirit of mocking celebrities so it isn't a complete loss. It also has a Ray Bolger joke, and how often do you get to use those? Otherwise it's a forgettable episode
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Aug 30, 2018 19:01
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Hyrax Attack! posted:The hippie episode had some ok moments (I know a place that’ll saw your legs off!) but the plot is a train wreck. Mr. Burns wants to hire younger workers so Homer wants to become an actor and learns his middle name then joins hippies and gets the town high and now he’s shot in the head, uh roll credits.
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Aug 30, 2018 20:27
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A clip from season 17 popped up on YouTube. The church is having a model duck race in a river to win a "FeMac" computer, an iMac for women (impoverished Reverend Lovejoy gives out computers?). Homer cheats by firing a silenced pistol at the other ducks, then runs into the water and gets churned through a windmill, as characters using guns followed by a prolonged injury scene is comedy gold, and not an attempt to turn Homer into Peter Griffin. I looked up the credits, of course it's written by Dana Gould and showrun by Al Jean. Hachi machi, glancing at the episode descriptions for season 18. Kent Brockman moves in? There’s a volunteer fireman episode? There are 11 seasons after that?!
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Hyrax Attack! posted:A clip from season 17 popped up on YouTube. The church is having a model duck race in a river to win a "FeMac" computer, an iMac for women (impoverished Reverend Lovejoy gives out computers?). Homer cheats by firing a silenced pistol at the other ducks, then runs into the water and gets churned through a windmill, as characters using guns followed by a prolonged injury scene is comedy gold, and not an attempt to turn Homer into Peter Griffin. that clip was like 2 pages ago dude
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Aug 30, 2018 21:20
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I wanna see a compilation of every clip where a character (usually Lisa) goes "Wow! It's <celebrity name>!" without a hint of irony.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xChORIKcAcg
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Aug 30, 2018 22:24
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This popped up on my Youtube recommended and ugh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHtG0KMtskw&t=50s Kinda shows off a lot of what's wrong. Dialogue sounds like it's written by different writers in different rooms and voiced in separate studios. The punch-up for Homer is so obvious that most of the time he's not having the same conversation. He's shouting in every line, there's this vomit-inducing fourth wall breaking that even lovely webcomic writers would think is poorly done. The "this is currently a thing and we're going to write jokes around it" topical humor. The Homer thing sticks out so much more to me than any other problem. He's literally just speaking nonsense at times because he's "the stupid character." Like are the writers saying Homer genuinely believes he's gonna go back in time because his power meter is going backwards?
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Aug 30, 2018 23:28
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Plan Z posted:I wanna see a compilation of every clip where a character (usually Lisa) goes "Wow! It's <celebrity name>!" without a hint of irony. I think the time is right for another Simpsons spin-off showcase, but one of the segments would be done in a style like a 70s-era Scooby-Doo where the whole family solved mysteries while going on random weekend trips and a recognizable by just their voice celebrity would show up and get involved. It'd be called Snowball Du, where Snowball would replace Scooby. Maggie isn't present because union rules prevented them from having baby in the recording booth for over 16 hours a day to record her lines. The spinoff never went past a few pilots because of this fact and they would jump to the wrong conclusion and create disturbing theories about where she really went..
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JediTalentAgent posted:I think the time is right for another Simpsons spin-off showcase, but one of the segments would be done in a style like a 70s-era Scooby-Doo where the whole family solved mysteries while going on random weekend trips and a recognizable by just their voice celebrity would show up and get involved. Yeah, well Snowball Du can doo-doo 'cause Jimmy Carter is smarter. Wow, it's former president Jimmy Carter!
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Aug 31, 2018 07:07
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This is ghastly.
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Plan Z posted:This popped up on my Youtube recommended and ugh: Also annoying is that they gave the Danish guys Swedish accents. There's such a thing as a Danish accent, and it is much dumber and goofier than this bullshit.
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I still can't get over the fact anyone could look at the poo poo they write, nod their head and go, "yes, this is what I want the world to see." I guess I'm not getting paid thousands of dollars for doing gently caress all though.
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Plan Z posted:This popped up on my Youtube recommended and ugh: At least they didn't start shilling for clean coal, which is what I half expected. Honestly, the most annoying thing is that after each gag they have Lisa explain why Homer is wrong. Are they trying to pad the episode, or so they expect their audiences to be retarded? Imagine if, when Homer was building the grill, after the camera panned from the brochure to Homer's failed attempt, they switched to Lisa going "but dad, it doesn't look like it does on the picture! You built it wrong!"
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Hachi machi, glancing at the episode descriptions for season 18. Kent Brockman moves in? There’s a volunteer fireman episode? There are 11 seasons after that?! Oof, yeah that Kent Brockman one is real bad. Homer accidentally swears on Kent Brockman’s show which gets him fired, so for some reason he moves into the Simpson’s house. Then he starts some online channel with rants about how the media is in cahoots with big business, which becomes really popular, so the station gives him his job back. It then ends with a slam on Fox. Daring stuff.
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Aug 31, 2018 12:36
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did Kent Brockman squander all his lottery winnings
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snack eater posted:did Kent Brockman squander all his lottery winnings The people who wrote that show have never seen seasons 4-8
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Aug 31, 2018 13:46
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Plan Z posted:This popped up on my Youtube recommended and ugh: What the gently caress is up with Marge's "come on let's go, what are you waiting for" line
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snack eater posted:did Kent Brockman squander all his lottery winnings I think I remember them repo'ing his mansion.
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Riptor posted:What the gently caress is up with Marge's "come on let's go, what are you waiting for" line them walking our of the house was time-killing filler and having them say nothing at all would be awkward so
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fatal oopsie-daisy posted:them walking our of the house was time-killing filler and having them say nothing at all would be awkward so Marge wasn't even in the previous scene! That was just awful. None of the gags were funny in concept, and even if they were, the timing was atrocious on every single one.
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Aug 31, 2018 15:26
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Imagine watching a modern Simpsons episode as your first exposure to the show
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Tree Goat posted:there's lots of scenarios where they cancel the simpsons, it's very easy to envision:
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Aug 31, 2018 18:20
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Data Graham posted:Imagine watching a modern Simpsons episode as your first exposure to the show I still want to find someone who's never seen Star Wars so I can make them watch all the movies in 1-8 order to see what they think. fatal oopsie-daisy posted:them walking our of the house was time-killing filler and having them say nothing at all would be awkward so This has gotten really obvious in shows lately, namely Family Guy with its incredibly long, boring "that's the joke" conversations. It feels like they have trouble filling time, so there are just drawn-out periods of nothing. I feel like if you edited Modern Simpsons down so that there's no dead air, obvious pauses between dialogue, and slowly-delivered lines, you'd chop at least a few minutes off of episodes.
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Aug 31, 2018 18:58
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Plan Z posted:I still want to find someone who's never seen Star Wars so I can make them watch all the movies in 1-8 order to see what they think. You'll have to apply the Ludovico Technique about halfway through Attack of the Clones
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Aug 31, 2018 19:02
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Teikanmi posted:The people who wrote that show have never seen seasons 4-8 Every 4-5 years is a soft reboot. Nothing from the past matters until it gets mentioned.
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The thing about that green energy clip was just how terrible the beats were Like, I’m a huge autistic sperg so I couldn’t help but imagine how I’d be able to take each scene and audio and video edit each part so that it’s actually approaching something close to funny That’s one of the great things about old Simpsons, they really really had good comedic timing
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