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One weird thing is that half of TLJ takes place on one of those big So, like, we’re talking roughly an hour of screentime where they could establish some things that are extremely vital - like where are all the droids? Amidala’s little ship in Phantom Menace had six. At the very least, each fighter certainly has a droid copilot. This stuff is important to know, because it’s characterization. How do the humans of the Resistance treat the droids? How do they treat eachother? We have an extremely vague intimation that Poe’s insubordination is a class thing; he’s going along with Rose, FN and BB because he believes Holdo would never listen to their plan. Why wouldn’t she? Is Rose shunned, disrespected by the rest of the crew? She frankly seems kinda unhinged. We’re given lots of expository dialogue about fuel and munition levels. Why not show these supplies? Where did the fuel come from? Did they buy the rockets directly from the Canto people? Rose certainly doesn’t know the weapons were bought from Canto. Are the higher-ups hiding this information from people like Rose? Or did Rose just never bother to look? We don’t get any of this stuff. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Aug 30, 2018 |
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How do you show fuel other than seeing a container with liquid in it changing levels or barometers going up and down?
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Aug 29, 2018 22:33
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Basebf555 posted:That's why they're bringing Lando back. He's the last wild card they have available. Hey it's me, the fun smooth guy from Empire. I can no longer get an erection and all my friends are dead except the Filipino copilot
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Aug 29, 2018 22:34
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I never understood the complaint people had about the fuel situation in TLJ. Star Wars has always had fuel. A hole in the gas tank was a major plot point in TPM. It stands to reason ships have some kind of space mumbo jumbo fuel in their engines like Star Trek has "Dilithium Crystals" that lets them easily cross interstellar space. The problem with that whole plot line was the fact the bad guys didn't just hyperdrive half their fleet in front of the rebels when they knew the rebels didn't have enough fuel to jump themselves.
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Aug 29, 2018 22:59
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I feel like TLJ doesn't get enough acknowledgment that a castle siege in a space is a really dope idea.
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Aug 29, 2018 23:30
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galagazombie posted:I never understood the complaint people had about the fuel situation in TLJ. Star Wars has always had fuel. A hole in the gas tank was a major plot point in TPM. It stands to reason ships have some kind of space mumbo jumbo fuel in their engines like Star Trek has "Dilithium Crystals" that lets them easily cross interstellar space. The problem with that whole plot line was the fact the bad guys didn't just hyperdrive half their fleet in front of the rebels when they knew the rebels didn't have enough fuel to jump themselves. I guess because a problem with running out hasn’t come up before? But that seems easily explainable as hyperdrive and nonhyperdrive have different fuels or something. Usually the non hyper is only used for landing and taking off planets so they don’t carry huge amounts of it. Rebels are at max burn to stay out of range of the big guns so their fuel won't last too long. Empire knows this so they can just run them down with zero losses on their part. Empire jumping in front leads to a battle where they may lose some ships. Didn't they call off their initial attack squadrons for that reason? Can't remember. Raccooon fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Aug 29, 2018 |
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Aug 29, 2018 23:31
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Timeless Appeal posted:I feel like TLJ doesn't get enough acknowledgment that a castle siege in a space is a really dope idea. Its pretty sweet. So much so that I wish they focused on it more. Like the Tie fighters attack then are pulled back and then long stretch of slow chase. I wish there was more attempts to break through from the Empire throughout with the Rebels having to desperately stop each attempt slowly being weakened all the way to the suicide run. Like cut the casino stuff and put more of that in.
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Aug 29, 2018 23:37
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Bholder posted:How do you show fuel other than seeing a container with liquid in it changing levels or barometers going up and down? What’s wrong with that? It’s pretty important to know this stuff, because remember that one ship that runs out of gas and suddenly, like, falls backwards? The whole reason that ship was slowly burning its gas was because it was deemed safer than jumping to hyperspace - it would buy them some time to sneak onto the planet Crait and then send off the empty ship as a decoy. However, this ship never actually had enough fuel to reach Crait. It only had slightly more than enough for a hyperspace jump - and they wasted it on nothing. The captain had access to a ‘one free teleportation’ machine and he didn’t use it. What’s the message here? Was the captain just an idiot, or did Holdo not tell him about her plan? SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Aug 30, 2018 |
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Aug 30, 2018 00:20
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The slow speed chase is also silly from the viewpoint that the rebels can't escape, except people leave and return to the chase over the course of the movie. Why did they guard the escape pods, rather than jamming as many people as possible in them and jumping them to lightspeed like Finn/Rose did? The First Order didn't track them. And showing diminishing fuel levels was done well in Dunkirk, with the Tom Hardy plot.
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Aug 30, 2018 00:29
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Yeah it was boring and made no sense. Like maybe at any point someone was going to do something... But didn't. Fine whatever now we are on a planet. A massive gravity well. But there's a cave. With a door. It's garbage.
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garycoleisgod posted:The slow speed chase is also silly from the viewpoint that the rebels can't escape, except people leave and return to the chase over the course of the movie. Really the dumbest part is they go on the casino run to get a hacker to get through the Empires defenses. At the end we find out they have cloaked ships the whole time that can do that. The hacker they get then gives the empire the ability to see the cloaked ships.
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garycoleisgod posted:The slow speed chase is also silly from the viewpoint that the rebels can't escape, except people leave and return to the chase over the course of the movie. Those old EU books always did a pretty good job of emphasizing the importance of the ships themselves, that it wasn't enough to have people, losing big capital ships was worse than losing people because you can't fight a juggernaut like the Empire/First Order without them. The fact that Thrawn controlled a Super Star Destroyer was treated as almost as important as his strategic genius or whatever. There just aren't a whole lot of ships like that in existence. Of course, if they were trying for that in TLJ they totally undercut it by having all the ships get destroyed and then like 10 people escaping with their lives is treated as a victory.
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CelticPredator posted:Prove it. With hard facts. but we already know that any numbers people get you'll just say they're alt-right bots or some poo poo. this is embarrassing, dude.
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Given that there literally was an organized campaign for people to artificially tank TLJ's rottentomatoes score should tell you that the narrative that "everyone hated TLJ" is bunk.
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Aug 30, 2018 00:53
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Basebf555 posted:Those old EU books always did a pretty good job of emphasizing the importance of the ships themselves, that it wasn't enough to have people, losing big capital ships was worse than losing people because you can't fight a juggernaut like the Empire/First Order without them. The fact that Thrawn controlled a Super Star Destroyer was treated as almost as important as his strategic genius or whatever. There just aren't a whole lot of ships like that in existence. Yeah there's a vague emphasis on "hope" and "keeping the fire alive" which ends up feeling more like an Awareness Raising Campaign than a spiritual battle.
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jivjov posted:Given that there literally was an organized campaign for people to artificially rank TLJ's rottentomatoes score should tell you that the narrative that "everyone hated TLJ" is bunk. Yeah I assume it was alt-right types that did it because "WOMEN!", but reading the wiki on TLJ it says it was also done to Thor Ragnarok at the same time and I got no idea why that happened.
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jivjov posted:Given that there literally was an organized campaign for people to artificially rank TLJ's rottentomatoes score should tell you that the narrative that "everyone hated TLJ" is bunk. except that rotten tomatoes said that never happened and all the votes are legit? and RT doesn't count 0 star or 1 star reviews? and more people voted for TFA then they did for TLJ?
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:except that rotten tomatoes said that never happened and all the votes are legit? and RT doesn't count 0 star or 1 star reviews? and more people voted for TFA then they did for TLJ? I mean maybe that is true but RT has a vested interest in saying that. So take what they say with a grain of salt
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quote:Audience reception measured by scientific polling methods was highly positive. Audiences randomly polled by CinemaScore on opening day gave the film an average grade of "A" on an A+ to F scale.[114] Surveys from SurveyMonkey and comScore's PostTrak found that 89% of audience members graded the film positively, including a rare five-star rating.[112][145][146] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Last_Jedi The take away I get from that is Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic was an outlier but also probably the most popular online review places for an attack so who knows. However again, The Last Jedi had the biggest second weekend drop in movie history, so something happened to keep fans from coming back for another view. On the other hand the movie still made like 1.3 billion Raccooon fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Aug 30, 2018 |
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Regarding rotten tomatoes:Raccooon posted:So take what they say with a grain of salt First smart things you've said all thread.* *I dont know you or your posts maybe you've said a bunch of smart poo poo.
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The first pronounced attack on a movie because of "WOMEN!" that I can remember was Mad Max Fury Road. The lead up to that movie was tons of people screaming that feminism had ruined it and it ended up being one of the best action movies in a long rear end time.
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Raccooon posted:Yeah I assume it was alt-right types that did it because "WOMEN!", but reading the wiki on TLJ it says it was also done to Thor Ragnarok at the same time and I got no idea why that happened. If it's like the other Thors probably because there were black people and women in it
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:but we already know that any numbers people get you'll just say they're alt-right bots or some poo poo. this is embarrassing, dude. When have I said this
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I just want Wheat Loaf to stop saying the same poo poo every other post. It’s a weird gimmick for no real reason, because they don’t even dislike the movie.
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Underdeveloped good ideas are my jam, but nevertheless, I'd like to announce that Rogue One is now my favorite Disney Star War. Please update your opinions spreadsheets accordingly. Thank you and God bless.
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Bongo Bill posted:Underdeveloped good ideas are my jam, but nevertheless, I'd like to announce that Rogue One is now my favorite Disney Star War. Please update your opinions spreadsheets accordingly. Thank you and God bless. then you'll be interested(?) to know that noted disney motherfucker alan horney shows up in this rogue one article as a disney suit everyone had to convince to allow them to kill off the rogue squad https://theplaylist.net/chris-weitz-mcquarrie-burns-rogue-one-star-wars-20180829/
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I don't care for box office chat myself but I for one believe in a free posting market Jerkface posted:then you'll be interested(?) to know that noted disney motherfucker alan horney shows up in this rogue one article as a disney suit everyone had to convince to allow them to kill off the rogue squad lmbo the one good nuWars and they only got away with it by the skin of their teeth
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Raccooon posted:Its pretty sweet. So much so that I wish they focused on it more. Like the Tie fighters attack then are pulled back and then long stretch of slow chase. I wish there was more attempts to break through from the Empire throughout with the Rebels having to desperately stop each attempt slowly being weakened all the way to the suicide run. At that point they'd be more or less remaking the Battlestar Galactica episode "33" which, admittedly, is one of the show's very best episodes, and one of the most tense episodes of anything ever.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:At that point they'd be more or less remaking the Battlestar Galactica episode "33" which, admittedly, is one of the show's very best episodes, and one of the most tense episodes of anything ever. Correct they did it better
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Bongo Bill posted:Underdeveloped good ideas are my jam, but nevertheless, I'd like to announce that Rogue One is now my favorite Disney Star War. Please update your opinions spreadsheets accordingly. Thank you and God bless. Even the part where they make out over his dead body? e: whoops that was solo
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I also like Rogue One the most of the new Star Wars. I think Disney could’ve done interesting things with a version of Jyn or Cassian who survived Rogue One, if they wanted to weave those characters back into the main episodic saga at some point down the line, but obviously that wasn’t part of the creative vision and that’s fine.
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Zoran posted:I also like Rogue One the most of the new Star Wars. That would have been insanely dumb
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jivjov posted:....by helming a critically acclaimed, insanely profitable movie? Never underestimate the ability of Hollywood executives to draw the worst, most nonsensical possible lessons from their failures, and they'll never learn the lesson that not every movie has to cost half a billion dollars and make eight billion I Before E fucked around with this message at 07:43 on Aug 30, 2018 |
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Aug 30, 2018 07:40
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i for one an glad that star wars was financially successful and made a bunch of already rich people lots of money
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porfiria posted:Yeah there's a vague emphasis on "hope" and "keeping the fire alive" which ends up feeling more like an Awareness Raising Campaign than a spiritual battle. I think it was someone in this thread who insightfully said that TLJ really feels like a movie made by establishment Liberals the day before they handed the country over to Trump. Like you get the feeling at the end with Leia talking about a dozen or so dudes being "all we need" she thinks they can shame the FO into giving up or something.
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Raccooon posted:However again, The Last Jedi had the biggest second weekend drop in movie history, so something happened to keep fans from coming back for another view. On the other hand the movie still made like 1.3 billion I acknowledge that to some extent the figures are skewed because I think TFA actually over-performed most expectations but the fact is that when your second movie's take drops three-quarters of a billion dollars from the first, even if it has done very well by any other metric (it was still the number-one movie of the year), it still plays into that particular narrative you mentioned earlier.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I acknowledge that to some extent the figures are skewed because I think TFA actually over-performed most expectations but the fact is that when your second movie's take drops three-quarters of a billion dollars from the first, even if it has done very well by any other metric (it was still the number-one movie of the year), it still plays into that particular narrative you mentioned earlier. Yeah, it's hard to compete with "Star Wars is back" dollars
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fridge corn posted:i for one an glad that star wars was financially successful and made a bunch of already rich people lots of money If you want more it’s important that they make 800 million or more.
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galagazombie posted:Like you get the feeling at the end with Leia talking about a dozen or so dudes being "all we need" she thinks they can shame the FO into giving up or something. I'm sure all the other people who died in the course of that movie would be happy to know that Leia thought they weren't needed.
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SolarFire2 posted:I'm sure all the other people who died in the course of that movie would be happy to know that Leia thought they weren't needed. Having purged the counter-revolutionary elements, the Resistance is now stronger than ever!
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