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Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:I think that “bleeding” is what gives the flavor, it’s some sort of myoglobin analogue from algae or something. Yeah soy based leghemoglobin genes transplanted to yeast that ferments stuff into BLOOD. It's a cool idea. Probably illegal in Europe due it being super GMO
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I find the impossible burger to be better than cheap beef but not a real replacement for good beef. Also my vegan friends think it's too close to the real thing to be comfortable eating it. So, as far as attempts to replicate an actual meat product they've nailed it I guess.
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Aug 25, 2018 22:12
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Sextro posted:I find the impossible burger to be better than cheap beef but not a real replacement for good beef. Also my vegan friends think it's too close to the real thing to be comfortable eating it. So, as far as attempts to replicate an actual meat product they've nailed it I guess. The sooner fast food places can get off of beef and pork and onto plant based "meat" the faster we can curb the billions of animals we kill a year and waste so much water and feed on. Seriously McDonalds and Taco Bell could switch to this and no one would know the difference. Then buying beef would be something you did when you wanted to enjoy a delicious steakor roast and really enjoy the animal for what it is.
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Aug 25, 2018 23:18
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Seriously McDonalds and Taco Bell could switch to this and no one would know the difference.
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Aug 25, 2018 23:48
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SubG posted:They'd probably notice it being at least twice and probably more like four times as expensive. Right now yeah, if it was ramped up to industrial scale i doubt it would be more expensive than actual meat.
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Aug 26, 2018 00:21
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Right now yeah, if it was ramped up to industrial scale i doubt it would be more expensive than actual meat. I mean don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the current state of fast food is desirable or that meat replacement is bad. But Impossible Burger ending all fast food meat consumption is roughly as likely as the entire world economy switching to bitcoin.
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Aug 26, 2018 01:02
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SubG posted:I suppose anything's possible. But right now they're losing money selling US$10 burgers and swapping out the supply chain for McFood is literally one of the largest projects in food logistics since the invention of agriculture. Oh for sure I'm not saying they are the ones to so it. I'm saying the science is getting much better and as soon as we can replace meat for plant protein the better. Edit: obviously not replace it all but the low quality poo poo meat products don't need real meat.
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Aug 26, 2018 01:43
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SubG posted:I mean don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the current state of fast food is desirable or that meat replacement is bad. But Impossible Burger ending all fast food meat consumption is roughly as likely as the entire world economy switching to bitcoin.
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Aug 26, 2018 02:25
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Oh for sure I'm not saying they are the ones to so it. I'm saying the science is getting much better and as soon as we can replace meat for plant protein the better. The fact that we can do something (in this case make a passable fake meat burger) at all isn't even remotely relevant for the fast food industry on the whole, because that ain't even the game they're playing. The fact that Impossible Burgers are more expensive than beef burgers right now is just the start of it; if they were exactly the same price as beef burgers it would still be a non-starter because making any changes at all to their overall supply chain would be a huge expense. They'd have to be cheap enough that changing the entire way the industry is structured (and subsidized) would be a net economic win. Again, not to say they're a bad idea or anything like that. I'm just saying that as cool as they are, extrapolating out from Impossible Burgers to entirely meat-free fast food is fantasy.
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Aug 26, 2018 05:03
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SubG posted:They'd have to be cheap enough that changing the entire way the industry is structured (and subsidized) would be a net economic win. I completely agree, but I think it may actually happen (eventually).
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Aug 26, 2018 05:23
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SubG posted:Yeah, I get what you're saying, it's just it really doesn't have anything to do with science. Imagine the best burger you've ever had. That's not what you get from a McDonald's, right? And that's not because they don't have the science to do it. It's because they've broken down the burger-making process and optimised every loving penny out of it they can. Like literally, any time they could change their process to save a penny per unit they do it because that ends up being worth billions over time. Electric cars that outperformed any gas cars were fantasies and then Tesla came out. I'm not saying it will happen tomorrow but their product is based on yeast . It's cheaper to make beer than it is to make cows. I think in the future it will overtake animal production in price. Obviously waaayyy down the line.
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Aug 26, 2018 05:55
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sweat poteto posted:I completely agree, but I think it may actually happen (eventually). Errant Gin Monks posted:Electric cars that outperformed any gas cars were fantasies and then Tesla came out.
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Aug 26, 2018 06:20
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Aug 26, 2018 06:27
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A&W here in Canada just introduced the Beyond Meat burger which is only like $1 more expensive than beef and actually tastes exactly like a mediocre fast food burger. https://web.aw.ca/en/our-menu/burgers/beyond-meat-burger They also had the good sense to add extra sauce and fresh onions and other things to mask any small variation in taste. Honestly I think it's fantastic and a great step toward using less beef.
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Aug 26, 2018 07:44
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The biggest catalyst to change would be taxing meat to take into account the carbon cost.
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Aug 26, 2018 10:25
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The real question is does it get cheaper than beef production when economies of scale are invoked.
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Aug 26, 2018 11:53
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therattle posted:The biggest catalyst to change would be taxing meat to take into account the carbon cost. We'll see battery farmed cows before that happens 
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Aug 26, 2018 14:16
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sweat poteto posted:We'll see battery farmed cows before that happens Sadly you’re probably right
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Aug 26, 2018 14:49
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That Works posted:The real question is does it get cheaper than beef production when economies of scale are invoked. This is basically my point. If production on an industrial scale is cheaper than beef and it's close enough to indistinguishable then i can see the chains switching to save money.
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Aug 26, 2018 15:08
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An alternate theory to consider. Which will likely happen first. Lab grown meat, at a cheap price point to do away with the majority of factory farming. OR, the Impossible Burger/analogue thereof?
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Aug 26, 2018 15:40
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Manuel Calavera posted:An alternate theory to consider. Which will likely happen first. Lab grown meat, at a cheap price point to do away with the majority of factory farming. OR, the Impossible Burger/analogue thereof? VHS/Betamax, both happen at the same time, one is cheap and accessible, another is better quality but expensive, the one with porn wins. Suspect Bucket fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Aug 26, 2018 |
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Aug 26, 2018 16:43
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So what you're saying is you're betting on lab grown cat girls. I can't find fault in your argument.
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Aug 26, 2018 17:23
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I mean, who honestly wouldn't gently caress a lab grown meat flap or pole?
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Aug 26, 2018 17:58
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Suspect Bucket posted:VHS/Betamax, both happen at the same time, one is cheap and accessible, another is better quality but expensive, the one with porn wins. Well, uh, on one hand, bestiality exists, on the other you have eggplants. So it's a draw?
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That Works posted:The real question is does it get cheaper than beef production when economies of scale are invoked.
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therattle posted:The biggest catalyst to change would be taxing meat to take into account the carbon cost. Sure, if we're trying to destroy the entire food economy we can pass on the carbon costs for petrochem-based fertilizers and pesticides in staple grain production too. For the uninitiated, we use huge amounts of synthetic nitrogen based fertilizers as a country (thanks to the enormous farms), and most of that is natgas produced although gasified coal also works.
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Liquid Communism posted:Sure, if we're trying to destroy the entire food economy we can pass on the carbon costs for petrochem-based fertilizers and pesticides in staple grain production too. For the uninitiated, we use huge amounts of synthetic nitrogen based fertilizers as a country (thanks to the enormous farms), and most of that is natgas produced although gasified coal also works. Ok! Let’s do it!
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I love meat and I love beef But I totally love black bean burgers. They're way cheaper and while they're not beef they're tasty in a different way. They take about 5x as long for me to make though, because I almost always use dried beans. With normal burgs I just grab a handful, make a patty and season in the cast iron. Bean burgers take a ton more prep unless I get canned beans and even then there's a lot more cleanup and time. I went shopping today and the 80-20 ground beef was at $4.50lb. Not fancy beef, just on the rack at Aldi. So I bought 8lbs of chicken and a 5lb ham for about 13 dollars total instead. Mr. Meagles fucked around with this message at 09:13 on Aug 27, 2018 |
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Sextro posted:I find the impossible burger to be better than cheap beef but not a real replacement for good beef. Also my vegan friends think it's too close to the real thing to be comfortable eating it. So, as far as attempts to replicate an actual meat product they've nailed it I guess. I and my wife tried both the Beyond Burger and the Impossible Burger this weekend. The Beyond Burger was clearly the next generation of Morningstar farms-etc.; recognizably and unavoidably a fake meat product, but not bad for that. The Impossible Burger I would have believed was beef if I hadn't known beforehand, and it was definitely better than some lovely beef burgers I've had in the past. So I think they did nail it.
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Aug 27, 2018 15:30
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I finally discovered instant ramen for the first time last week. Where has this stuff been all my life?
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I've had a few Impossible Burgers because they're one of the few vegan things in the LAX International terminal (Umami Burger sells them). I also don't think I could've realized they weren't meat if I hadn't know beforehand. Granted, they taste like lovely meat, but that was my favorite kind of meat for burgers, so I'm satisfied.
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:I finally discovered instant ramen for the first time last week. Where has this stuff been all my life? Really? I hope you like salt and MSG (because I sure as hell do). I make my own seasoning for plain noodles (I mix up 1/2 tsp chicken salt, 1/2 tsp vegata veg stock - both of these have heaps of salt and MSG, then 1/4 tsp white pepper, 1/4 tsp garlic powder, optional 1/4-1/2 tsp rendang curry powder [coriander, chilli, lemongrass, sugar]) E: use to taste, I normally only use 1/2 tsp of the mix per noodle cake. Sometimes I add a bit of powdered ginger, paprika or all spice too. Add some scallion/spring onion greens, crispy fried shallots, sesame oil, favourite chilli sauce, fish sauce and soy sauce. When I'm sick of canned baked beans, rice, pita wraps, sardine sandwiches, toast then I'll make some noodles for a change. Fo3 fucked around with this message at 11:56 on Aug 30, 2018 |
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Aug 30, 2018 11:49
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Fo3 posted:Really? Or just get Shin Black and call it a day
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Aug 30, 2018 13:28
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I don't go out shopping for them, like ever. Plus I often end up with stuff I need to use up in my pantry anyway.
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:I finally discovered instant ramen for the first time last week. Where has this stuff been all my life? Were you held hostage in someone's basement until you were an adult?
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Loutre posted:Were you held hostage in someone's basement until you were an adult? Don't be silly, basement dwellers are always familiar with instant ramen.
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Did I post my impressions of Lotus of Siam in here already? It was super beautiful but already being familiar with 1* grade Isan Thai and stuck with 15 colleagues whose tastes ranged from “yes let’s get two of the whole catfish” to “I’m just here for some wings and fried rice” I had some fun, some fine dishes, but wasn’t as floored as I had hoped. I’ll just have to go back with a better crew when Cleaver opens. 
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Like, why didn't you message me, yo? I live literally down the street from Lotus.
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:I finally discovered instant ramen for the first time last week. Where has this stuff been all my life? Shin Black and never go back https://www.amazon.com/NongShim-Ramyun-Noodle-Black-Ounce/dp/B0061JW7I2?th=1 I have it with extra dried mushrooms and spinach. Break up the dried mushrooms and make it with the broth, then dump finished hot product on spinach and eat for perfectly cooked veg. Instant noodles and broth make the perfect braising liquid for spinach. Cooks up great in the work microwave
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Shin black is good stuff. whenever I do instant ramen I cook it as per the instructions, add veggies, eggs, and other toppings, then just eat the bits and noodles and throw out the broth, so i only get like 25% of the sodium.
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