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Fifty Three posted:They absolutely saw that coming and gave zero fucks. And rightly so
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sportsgenius86 posted:And rightly so Abetting prison rape and assault isn't helping anything. Yeah, gently caress this guy but he deserves to rot and nothing more.
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DJExile posted:Abetting prison rape and assault isn't helping anything. Yarp. This guy is the result of one institution failing in its obligations. The prison system also failing in its obligations doesn't make it better. It just continues the story.
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1035192835216232449?s=19 ahem BURN IT ALL DOWN
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NCAA Finds NCAA Legislation to be Ineffective
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The problem is this is an out of scope problem in the NCAA's view. The most they could do is dismantle the gymnastics program, and what good would that do?
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Aug 30, 2018 17:11
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Death penalty.
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Aug 30, 2018 17:12
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Drunk Canuck posted:Death penalty. And what does that accomplish? A symbolic gesture that gives the university the ability to axe gymnastics wholly and not bring it back? e: I'm not saying that something shouldn't be done here, but is it within the NCAA's purview to actually do something regarding this?
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iospace posted:The problem is this is an out of scope problem in the NCAA's view. The most they could do is dismantle the gymnastics program, and what good would that do? It would be utterly meaningless because she's retired and never going to get another job but I'd have appreciated a show cause for the ex-coach.
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Aug 30, 2018 17:15
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Well now it makes sense why nobody at Michigan State cared about this. It wasn't their responsibility as members of an NCAA school to do anything.
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Aug 30, 2018 17:34
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iospace posted:And what does that accomplish? A symbolic gesture that gives the university the ability to axe gymnastics wholly and not bring it back? it accomplishes making other programs scared enough to clean house lest they also get banned from participating in the sport. young gymnasts will get scholarships elsewhere and Michigan State will lose the prestige of having a gymnastics program because they have proven themselves unable to care for the kids in their ward. it's an athletic program, ultimately it hurts nobody but the people who looked the other way for it to be killed.
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I don't recall if any of Nassar's victims were current MSU students at the time, I don't think they were. If that's the case then I doubt the NCAA had any jurisdiction here. It's a horrible crime, without question, but it's not an NCAA issue if that's the case. Axing gymnastics just removes a non-revenue sport from MSU and honestly probably winds up saving the school some money. gently caress the NCAA but this was a state and federal criminal matter and if you think the NCAA is incompetent now, imagine what they'd be like with law enforcement capabilities.
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DJExile posted:
but it also takes jobs away from people who turned a blind eye to child abuse. this is the first and only point of axing the program. to put fear into people who would ignore abuse to save their jobs.
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Aug 30, 2018 17:48
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The last time the NCAA dealt with this we got Penn State.
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jit bull transpile posted:but it also takes jobs away from people who turned a blind eye to child abuse. this is the first and only point of axing the program. to put fear into people who would ignore abuse to save their jobs. like, my mind is seriously boggled by the argument that it's too extreme a move to fire all the people who ignored or gave shelter to a child molestor.
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Aug 30, 2018 17:50
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iospace posted:The last time the NCAA dealt with this we got Penn State. So nothing happening?
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iospace posted:The last time the NCAA dealt with this we got Penn State. punishing the pedo enablers went bad one time, better not try to punish anyone ever again. i get that some of you followed penn state very closely and it instills a level of despair to see a bunch of hicks rally around a lovely pedophile, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't stop trying to punish those who harm children.
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jit bull transpile posted:like, my mind is seriously boggled by the argument that it's too extreme a move to fire all the people who ignored or gave shelter to a child molestor. Yes, but I ask again, is that within the purview of the NCAA? I understand it's a corrupt organization only matched by the IOC and FIFA, but is it their purview to fire employees that are not their own? Trust me, I want those people fired, but asking the NCAA to do it is a losing battle. They only care about whether or not money changed hands.
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jit bull transpile posted:like, my mind is seriously boggled by the argument that it's too extreme a move to fire all the people who ignored or gave shelter to a child molestor. It's not too extreme but that's not the NCAA's job in this case. it's MSUs, and above that, the state of Michigan. E: and it's not like the NCAA is somehow above either of them in some sort of hierarchy. They're a non-profit (lol, but that's another story) non-government agency. DJExile fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Aug 30, 2018 |
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jit bull transpile posted:like, my mind is seriously boggled by the argument that it's too extreme a move to fire all the people who ignored or gave shelter to a child molestor. I don't think that's the argument though, everyone has been really supportive of canning those involved. I don't think MSU's gymnastics program is all that many dedicated employees vs the number of students that would be affected, and I don't know much about college gymnastics but I don't think its the kind of thing where its easy to just go out and find scholarships at other schools. Plus, who involved is still there? The President, AD, Medical dean have all resigned/been fired. If there are others I think it makes sense to continue to root out who knew anything and press charges. Closing down gymnastics wouldn't clear out others in the Athletic Department anyway. It seems like shutting down the program would hardly affect anyone who may have been involved and DEFINITELY hurt a bunch of students who were not involved at all.
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Applying the death penalty, or any significant punishment, to the MSU gymnastics program will have only one effect: "Well, we're closing it up. We'll reopen it at a later date. *years pass, hasn't been reopened, with no sign of it coming back in sight*"
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Aug 30, 2018 18:07
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This is a reminder that MSU spent millions of dollars stalking victims online to try and discredit them. But that's nowhere near as bad as tattoos.
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rare Magic card l00k posted:This is a reminder that MSU spent millions of dollars stalking victims online to try and discredit them. i dont' think anyone's gonna argue that but it's an apples and oranges comparison. Universities do plenty of scummy poo poo that isn't within the NCAA's jurisdiction.
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Aug 30, 2018 18:16
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The NCAA is there to regulate the on field competition of sports, nothing else. They set rules for what makes a player eligible or not, which is why tattoos are something that they can actually act on. The other stuff is the purview of the state. To demand more of them is like saying that the ASE should shut down an Autozone because one of the mechanics raped someone by the dumpsters.
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DJExile posted:I don't recall if any of Nassar's victims were current MSU students at the time, I don't think they were. If that's the case then I doubt the NCAA had any jurisdiction here. It's a horrible crime, without question, but it's not an NCAA issue if that's the case. A ton of them were including people from other sports teams who got referred over. Since the AD and president were involved in the enabling and cover-up , and thus the university as a whole, MSU should have at the very least had post season bans from all NCAA sanctioned tournaments. NCAA threatened such a ban for schools with mascots that weren't tolerable and this is a hell of a lot worse Penn State, Michigan State , Baylor off the top of my head should all have very long bans for all sports. Grant immediate transfer waivers to all athletes if they want to do that. Then let other authorities handle the rest , who will probably do more once the institutional reputation is severely diminished mastershakeman fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Aug 30, 2018 |
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I had it in my head it was just younger gymnasts that he abused for some reason, that's my mistake then
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There were a bunch of MSU softball players IIRC
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Rape is not an NCAA violation, everyone knows this by now
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iospace posted:Applying the death penalty, or any significant punishment, to the MSU gymnastics program will have only one effect: Who cares. It’s not like the gymnastics program is some inalienable right.
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Protip: if you're looking for the NCAA to save you, you're already dead.
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iospace posted:Applying the death penalty, or any significant punishment, to the MSU gymnastics program will have only one effect: That sounds better than what happened with Penn State, yes
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Lessail posted:That sounds better than what happened with Penn State, yes So you want to punish the athletes who may have been a victim of this whole mess by telling them "go to a different school" now? This is why I don't like the NCAA coming down and handing down the death penalty. It punishes the athletes, who are the victims in this case, more than the school itself. This isn't Baylor where the people who did the gross poo poo were the athletes, the athletes were the victims. If anything, the NCAA should hand down lifetime bans to everyone involved with the coverup from participating in any NCAA sport in any capacity, including AD or coach, but they won't do that. e: I know someone is going to come in and go "What about Penn State then?" Joe Pa should have been stripped of all wins since Sandusky started his camp, all bowl wins and any national titles stripped, and none of that should have been ever given back to PSU or JoePa, period. I don't feel right punishing the players by way of scholarship losses, who in this case were a completely unrelated third party, because of the sins of a coach, beyond firing said coach and stripping wins. PSU's fans reactions were loving gross though (also Urban Meyer should have been shown cause). tl;dr: I want the NCAA to do more, but I don't see what they can do that wouldn't harm the victims in this case more than the people who sat on their asses. iospace fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Aug 31, 2018 |
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Aug 31, 2018 05:33
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the wins were stripped op but then they were reinstated lmao
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Metapod posted:the wins were stripped op but then they were reinstated lmao I know, which is why I said they should have never been given back.
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The two are indeed the same; the NCAA was wrong to step outside of their purview and punish Penn State in the manner that they did, and they would be wrong to do so with Michigan State.
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Calling what the NCAA did punishing is a bit a atretch
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iospace posted:So you want to punish the athletes who may have been a victim of this whole mess by telling them "go to a different school" now? Why would they want to go to that specific school in the first place
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Lessail posted:Why would they want to go to that specific school in the first place Maybe their parents did, maybe it's close by, maybe they offered a scholarship when no one else did. There's a bunch of reasons and those are the first ones that came to mind.
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iospace posted:Maybe their parents did, maybe it's close by, maybe they offered a scholarship when no one else did. There's a bunch of reasons and those are the first ones that came to mind. Ah, so gaining prestige from the cover up never entered your mind, now I see where the disconnect is.
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Lessail posted:Ah, so gaining prestige from the cover up never entered your mind, now I see where the disconnect is. Please explain what you mean by this. I'm curious now.
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