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Zapf Dingbat posted:Well, to be fair, I was put on call for the second weekend in a row without me knowing, and I asked in a public channel whether I was going to get paid for a second weekend. This was before we were told we didn't get on call pay anymore. Apparently the schedule had changed from Friday thru thursday, to Monday thru Sunday. That meant I was put on call for a couple of extra days. To be fairer, still gently caress that guy. Also still apply for unemployment, worst case you get denied.
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Apply and fight it. gently caress 'em.
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Zapf Dingbat posted:Well, to be fair, I was put on call for the second weekend in a row without me knowing, and I asked in a public channel whether I was going to get paid for a second weekend. This was before we were told we didn't get on call pay anymore. Apparently the schedule had changed from Friday thru thursday, to Monday thru Sunday. That meant I was put on call for a couple of extra days. Arghghghghghghgh what the gently caress dude. You are completely entirely innocent and did nothing remotely wrong throughout this. I'm very sorry for this loving embarrassing situation. Thanks you others for the info.
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 18:29 |
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You should be eligible for unemployment imo. Having an idiot not like you isn't fired for cause.
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 18:38 |
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I just applied. We'll see what happens.
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 18:41 |
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Zapf Dingbat posted:I just applied. We'll see what happens. The company has to fight against your unemployment claim to stop it from going through, unless it was for something like theft or absenteeism. This is almost never worth the companies time, so it doesn't happen unless the entire company is being vindictive.
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 18:47 |
Changing your rotation without notice and using it to fire you hopefully isn't very defensible for the company.
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 18:59 |
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CLAM DOWN posted:I'm loving angry for him about this. This is loving shocking and not remotely a fireable offense in any way shape or form. How on earth is this not wrongful termination? How on earth is this remotely excusable? How does responding that way in any way reflect negatively on him? Telling a pissy manager that you can't help with something because you're at a dentist on your APPROVED day off is something he should be careful of?? It definitely feels like wrongful termination to me as well and doesn't reflect poorly on him at all. I don't quite see how you jumped to that conclusion from the post you quoted but okay. If your boss is a unreasonable and/or irrational person, confronting them head on isn't going to work in your favor. It just doesn't. Should you have to deal with bullshit like that by ignoring behavior and keeping your head down while you find another job? No. Is that the reality we live in while living in the US? Yes. It was realistic advice. chin up everything sucks posted:The company has to fight against your unemployment claim to stop it from going through, unless it was for something like theft or absenteeism. This is almost never worth the companies time, so it doesn't happen unless the entire company is being vindictive. It all depends. My last place of employment the CFO fought all unemployment as a policy because he was a petty person to the core of his being. Sickening fucked around with this message at 19:04 on Aug 29, 2018 |
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Imagine being such a lovely company that you actually spend business hours trying to actively destroy someone's livelihood where you don't even have any financial gain on the line.
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Zapf Dingbat posted:I just applied. We'll see what happens. If they try to deny, show up for the hearing. They likely won't. It's not like you have something else to do.
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I’m not familiar with how unemployment works. Is the company on the hook for your reduced pay?
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 19:24 |
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George H.W. oval office posted:I’m not familiar with how unemployment works. Is the company on the hook for your reduced pay? It fucks with their taxes.
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George H.W. oval office posted:I’m not familiar with how unemployment works. Is the company on the hook for your reduced pay? You qualify for 60% of your pay, but there's a cap at like $350 a week, pre tax. Basically if you're above minimum wage you just get paid the cap. It depends on state, but you can only get a maximum benefit of like 4 or 5 months I believe before unemployment runs out.
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Vargatron posted:You qualify for 60% of your pay, but there's a cap at like $350 a week, pre tax. Basically if you're above minimum wage you just get paid the cap. It depends on state, but you can only get a maximum benefit of like 4 or 5 months I believe before unemployment runs out. Different states have different caps. Georgia caps out at 330 a week up to 20 weeks. Arizona $240, Texas $465. Employers pay an unemployment insurance tax as a percentage of their payroll. They have a financial interest in keep that rate as low as possible.
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chin up everything sucks posted:The company has to fight against your unemployment claim to stop it from going through, unless it was for something like theft or absenteeism. This is almost never worth the companies time, so it doesn't happen unless the entire company is being vindictive. Fight back if they try to be shitheads like that. You need to have been fired for misconduct to be denied unemployment. Misconduct means more than "didn't scrape and bow sufficiently before lovely manager". Can google the misconduct definition for your appropriate state but it's generally along the lines of criminal, dangerous or materially damaging acts against the employer like intentionally sabotaging something or breaking poo poo.
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Zapf Dingbat posted:I'll be surprised if I got unemployment benefits. Only time I was ever able to get that was after I did census work. You should apply anyways, and appeal any initial denial. In many states if the employer contests the claim the initial application is denied, and only after the appeal is any of the information in the application verified. Some employers will contest every claim because it keeps their unemployment insurance premiums low and often former employees do not go through with appealing the claim. Ultimately whether you are eligible is up to the state unemployment office and not your former employer. It takes relatively little time to pursue, and even if you are only out of work for a few weeks before starting a new position it is worth spending the time.
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Zapf Dingbat posted:I just applied. We'll see what happens. Something similar happened to me. I had the poo poo shift when new guys got better hours, working alone for half the time with angry customers and nobody else around to help. They gave me a raise, and then 3 months later lost their biggest client... then conveniently they found one stupid issue they said I didn't handle properly and fired me on a Friday based on that. Filed for unemployment and they did a phone interview and never had any issue getting my check. I was being downsized but they didn't want to actually pay severance or anything because they were slimey bastards that would spin off new companies all the time with holdings on some Caribbean island somewhere. Also getting fired from that job was the best thing that had happened to my career. I got hired at my next job for 15k more and got a 5k raise within 3 months of taking the new position.
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Thanks, I didn't really understand the appeal process until now.
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# ? Aug 29, 2018 21:17 |
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Everybody gets denied their first application for unemployment unless it was some kind of layoff or amicable split.
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Zapf Dingbat posted:Just got fired. Not a team player. Not willing to jump in on my off time I guess. please ⊂_ヽ \\ do \( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) > ⌒ヽ / へ\ / / \\the レ ノ ヽ_つ / / / /| ( (ヽ | |、\needful | 丿 \ ⌒) | | ) / ノ ) Lノ (_/ collect your unemployment and talk to a lawyer.
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Zapf Dingbat posted:Thanks, I didn't really understand the appeal process until now. Godspeed man. As someone who recently collected unemployment and the job search I feel for you. I know this doesn't help your situation but sending good vibes your way.
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Zapf Dingbat posted:I'll be surprised if I got unemployment benefits. Only time I was ever able to get that was after I did census work. Out of curiousity, how big was your organization? My HR department would never have let that fly.
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adorai posted:Unless there is more to the story, you will get it. It's about 30 people in the company. Thanks for the advice, everyone. I've gotten over the shock and I already have everything in place to start hunting tomorrow.Thank God I made it to Atlanta before this happened. Only been here since November and I'm very enthusiastic about seeing the opportunities on the job boards so far.
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Zapf Dingbat posted:It's about 30 people in the company. Just don't let yourself get discouraged or depressed. Job hunting sucks, it always seems to take longer than you want it to, and you will keep getting your hopes up and then dashed when something that looks AWESOME doesn't pan out. But interviews will start trickling in, and one of them will eventually make an offer. Remember that you don't NEED to take the first offer! Always make a counter-offer, and if you don't feel great about the job or the pay, don't take it! Or if you have to take it because of finances, remember that you don't owe the company any loyalty and you can keep taking interviews while you work.
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I'm quoting some of the shittier moments you posted about these shitheels. I snipped and highlighted the important bits.Zapf Dingbat's rear end in a top hat boss posted:Penalties – We are going to define with everyone's help a list of infractions that will cost cold hard cash. For example the following things are unacceptable, put unnecessary strain on others, cost our company significant time and money, and will be penalized: Zapf Dingbat's crazy boss posted:Oh wow, the implications. Zapf Dingbat posted:Wow, it was late when I wrote that post. What I meant was that our services are not HIPAA compliant and we sell it to medical companies. Most don't think to ask whether they are. I've seen some evidence that the service provider bears some liability along with the customer for HIPAA. Zapf Dingbat posted:I know this sounds like "tell me how to IT," but this is a company founded by a guy who never held an IT job, so he has nothing to go off of, and is somewhat of an emotional child. The saving grace is that the managers under him tend to be smart and decent people who can convince him to do things right or implement procedures independent of his input. Zapf Dingbat posted:My boss is starting a cryptocurrency mining thing, using our datacenter resources. Zapf Dingbat posted:Yeah this whole place is a garbage place. Zapf Dingbat posted:Okay, another development about the company owner's weird cryptocurrency shenanigans in today's companywide meeting. Zapf Dingbat posted:My new ops manager to me today: "If the company owner wanted me to wash his car or cut his grass, I'd do it. You have to be a team player." This after I hinted I was looking for a more explicit "when are you expected to answer the phone" policy. I know I'm being kind of a Pollyanna but you gotta draw the limit somewhere, right? Zapf Dingbat posted:The CEO's new favorite pastime is to publicly berate his employees (me especially) on Slack who don't know how to do something in this hosed up environment. Zapf Dingbat's crazy boss posted:Ops Manager: Zapf Dingbat posted:We used to get paid for on call. Now we don't. This: Zapf Dingbat posted:I asked in a public channel whether I was going to get paid for a second weekend. Sickening posted:If your boss is a unreasonable and/or irrational person, Even though you[Zapf] are 1000% in the right and were abused by this company.... That was like knowing the trigger words that would summon candyman or trigger a serial killer. Next time, next job. Don't ever answer these people unless its in person (and you can deny that it didn't come off any certain way.) and NEVER respond where it can be re-read over and over and over until the psychos whip themselves into an emotional frenzy. They were unstable as gently caress if what you posted here is even scratching the surface!
You can't fix crazy.
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# ? Aug 30, 2018 18:51 |
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Jesus Christ I didn’t make the connection that all of those were a single person.
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# ? Aug 30, 2018 18:54 |
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Jesus loving Christ they did you a favor by firing you. Count your blessings and move on! I'm sure you'll have another job very soon. Also if you have any of this documented, I'm sure an employment lawyer would be very happy to hear about it.
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Yea holy poo poo dude be glad you managed to get out. You have experience now and if that was truly your first place to get your foot in the door you’re much better off somewhere else.
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# ? Aug 30, 2018 19:27 |
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I hope you converted your [company name] points to Schrute bucks before you were let go.
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Sepist posted:I hope you converted your [company name] points to Schrute bucks before you were let go.
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Also Zapf Dingbat: if you didn't sign an NDA, you definitely should drop an anonymous HIPAA complaint. The patients of those doctors likely need their personal health, billing, and other data protected. That lawyer might be able to something for you about the other stuff if you backed up your email and other evidence. If you have/had remote access make sure you tell them to terminate your access and all admin accounts and save that email. You do not want them saying it was you if something happens after being fired. Even if they leave the passwords the same and the accounts active at least you can prove you told them good security practice even if your accounts got "hacked".
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I am Communist posted:I'm quoting some of the shittier moments you posted about these shitheels. I snipped and highlighted the important bits. This: George H.W. oval office posted:Yea holy poo poo dude All of that quoted together is startling.
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Uh I don't think a NDA can cover HIPPA violations (they're illegal after all) and while that MSP was bushleague I've never seen the "please terminate my access" ever. He's no longer responsible for their termination practice.
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I am Communist posted:I'm quoting some of the shittier moments you posted about these shitheels. I snipped and highlighted the important bits. Jesus effing christ I had forgotten I had been posting about it for that long. This really puts it in perspective. Thank you. I am Communist posted:
I was just thinking about something today. I moved to Atlanta in November of last year, and it's been downhill ever since then. Not necessarily because of my gently caress you attitude, but because I think if these people don't have eyes on me they go nuts. Like, say you walked in a physical office for a support job. Would it be as likely that someone would tell you to do something 30 minutes after you got off the clock? No, because look, Zapf's not there, and he's probably still driving home. I'll take the triggering lovely people thing more seriously next time. My wife was telling me something along the same lines, that I'm whacking the wasp's nest by even responding, and I really thought I was toning it down because I realize I can be pretty obnoxious. Looks like I was wrong. My firing has been very unpopular among the staff. I've had people text me and saying they're considering pulling the trigger on job offers they've had. They've seen how hosed I've been treated but they've been doing a better job at keeping their heads down. One person moved to Miami with her husband last year and works remotely like I did. She was recently "promoted" to Vice President of Sales with no raise, because she basically does all the work that a VP would do. It's also her first Sales job. Hours before I got fired I was on the phone with her telling her to leave. Doing her numbers and her duties would get her a great position in Miami. So a day and a half of job hunting has been going pretty good. I've gotten a couple of pings from recruiters and "let's make sure you are a human being" calls. Nothing substantial, but it's a hell of a lot better than trying to find a job in Alabama. I feel like the product of domestic abuse, always having to stick with an employer that beats me down because gently caress you, it's Alabama. It's either keep this job or go back down to the Bayou to pick crabs or something. Ever since the recession hit I've been floating around, putting my wife through hell trying to stay employed and emotionally stable. I don't know how long I would have stuck with this job if I hadn't gotten fired. I always felt like it was going to be the loving black hole I'm always used to throwing my resume into. But so far, I'm actually seeing things I can see myself doing, and not just lovely help desk. I had to throw my resume together, but here's a snippet of what I was getting paid $40k to do at this hell job: code:
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:Uh I don't think a NDA can cover HIPPA violations If I remember my HIPAA training correctly this is a true statement. There are protections for whistleblowers but I don't remember all the details. If you really think there was a violation of the rules, you should really consider filing a complaint. Don't do it out of spite, do it because it's the right thing to do. https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/filing-a-complaint/index.html
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:Uh I don't think a NDA can cover HIPPA violations (they're illegal after all) and while that MSP was bushleague I've never seen the "please terminate my access" ever. He's no longer responsible for their termination practice. True about the terminate access practice. I used to work in IT at a hospital where my parents were seen by doctors . So I did have a vested interest in that dumpster fire of an IT department to close the loop so to speak. Why I also send a reminder that I am going to forget all about them(whatever poo poo company it was) and anything they do or don't do is on them: It's terrifying to think an admin account with my name on it could be bilking grandmothers out of their cash, taking credit card info, or stealing children's social security numbers. Maybe its just so I feel better. By all means that poo poo company of Dingbat's deserves whatever they get, I just don't think their clients or the patients do. I am Communist fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Aug 30, 2018 |
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Zapf Dingbat posted:But so far, I'm actually seeing things I can see myself doing, and not just lovely help desk. I had to throw my resume together, but here's a snippet of what I was getting paid $40k to do at this hell job: Make sure to detail what tech you worked with specifically, a lot of lazy recruiters just end up searching "cisco" rather than a more generic term. Whether those same recruiters would have decent opportunities is another question. Also, if the company ever did penalize you on missing meetings and such, it may be worth a quick discussion with an employment lawyer with regards to the legality of that, especially considering possible difference in state laws between Alabama and Georgia.
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Zapf Dingbat posted:Terror Job Hey man, This is a blessing in disguise! This was a poo poo job. I got fired from a poo poo job like this too when I first started but I was able to walk into a better job and be much happier. Don't even sweat it.
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I don't know what the job market is like there but to me that looks like a job that should pay at least double what you were being paid.
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Holy poo poo. I also didn't make that connection that all that was a single guy. Honestly. Seconding that this is a blessing in disguise. There are many way better jobs out there. Keep applying and don't let it get you down. Edit: I had a poo poo job too a few years ago. but I eventually quit. At 1st it felt scary but then it started to feel like a heavy burden was off my shoulders. I finished school and landed a way better job. Sefal fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Aug 31, 2018 |
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