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29 August 1944 Minesweepers sweep on sweepin' on as the Japanese W-28 gets torpedoed by USS Jack near Celebes.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:They were bigger rounds, that was the point of the reply. The MG131 rounds were NOT bigger. The rounds were lighter and the cartridge cases were much, much shorter. Technically, the diameter was .3 mm more than a .50. This is the only measure in which they were larger, and it is one that means absolutely nothing.
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Aug 30, 2018 00:14
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PhotoKirk posted:Mixed armament created other problems - often the cannon and MGs had different muzzle velocities and the shells had different trajectories. That would fall under "pros and cons," yes.  And in general they'd be on different triggers, so it's not like pilots should be wasting ammo shooting at inappropriate targets if they knew what they were doing.I mean one of the WW2 planes I really have a soft spot for is the P-39, so I'm fully aware of some of the downsides of cannons (which it took to an extreme for a fighter).
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Also: European nations were invested in cannons because they needed firepower to bring down not just enemy fighters, but heavy bombers. The US came into the war with .50s and never had to face bombers that required more than .50s to bring down. Why fix what ain't broke?
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Aug 30, 2018 03:16
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Lord Koth posted:I mean one of the WW2 planes I really have a soft spot for is the P-39, so I'm fully aware of some of the downsides of cannons (which it took to an extreme for a fighter). One of my favorite campaigns from IL-2 Sturmovik was flying P-63s on the Black Sea. That was in the older 1946 game; Battle of Kuban has the P-39L-1, which be much the same experience. Both models are fun to fly, very agile, and hit hard. Great for hunting bombers, holds its own against contemporary Axis fighters, and is a solid fighter bomber.
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The US Navy wanted to abandon the .50 for 20mm autocannons, but when trying to convert the British Hispano design and ammunition to freedom units they never quite got it right and the guns were super prone to light striking and jamming I think. The military was sitting on 40 million rounds of 20mm ammunition that went unusued. A few hundred Corsairs were built with quad autocannons. It was also reasonably successful in the P-38 because the pilot could actually manually recock the gun if it failed to fire, unlike wing guns which needed a pneumatic mechanism often deleted for weight/space reasons. So the yanks could make atomic bombs, but not a decent light autocannon go figure
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Bit of an aside. I tun RPG games at the weekend (they are on my youtube channel.), but Saturdays have become harder for some of my players, so I am looking to see if there are few more people interested in playing. Games run between 6pm and 9pm on most Saturdays, and no experience is required. anyone interested hit me up with a pm. were playing Mutants and Masterminds 3rd Edition at the moment. I'll ask in the rpg recruitment thread later, but thought I'd ask in here first.
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Lakedaimon posted:The US Navy wanted to abandon the .50 for 20mm autocannons, but when trying to convert the British Hispano design and ammunition to freedom units they never quite got it right and the guns were super prone to light striking and jamming I think. The military was sitting on 40 million rounds of 20mm ammunition that went unusued. A few hundred Corsairs were built with quad autocannons. It was also reasonably successful in the P-38 because the pilot could actually manually recock the gun if it failed to fire, unlike wing guns which needed a pneumatic mechanism often deleted for weight/space reasons. We always design excellent weapon systems if you give us 3-4 tries and at least two years of field testing during which our people are exposed to horrible danger while relying on malfunctioning hardware.
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Aug 30, 2018 12:49
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You can always count on Americans to design the right weapon system, once they've exhausted all other possibilities.
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Zeroisanumber posted:We always design excellent weapon systems if you give us 3-4 tries and at least two years of field testing during which our people are exposed to horrible danger while relying on malfunctioning hardware. What do you mean? It's clearly the fault of those incompetent sub commanders/pilots/grunts that the torpedoes/cannons/m-16 are having problems.
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Grey Hunter posted:
Is that 6-9 pm GMT?
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Zeroisanumber posted:We always design excellent weapon systems if you give us 3-4 tries and at least two years of field testing during which our people are exposed to horrible danger while relying on malfunctioning hardware. This is pretty unfair, as the US Army during the war had an explicit policy of ensuring that anything going into combat was both 'Battle ready' and 'Battle needed', to ensure that US troops would be equipped with functional and reliable ordnance without being saddled by useless poo poo that nobody wanted. Of course this broke down somewhat when it turned out that 'bigger tank guns' and 'heavier armor' weren't anticipated as needs until 75mm Shermans were facing down Panthers in Normandy, but the intention was there.
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Aug 30, 2018 17:24
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   Where are my fighters.   Well, that was a dull day!  There are not even any good ship kills!  17 days and I get the Kido Butai back.  Training has taken the raw edge off most of my pilots as well. Epicurius posted:Is that 6-9 pm GMT? Yes! I'm a moron!
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Aug 30, 2018 17:25
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22 points for an Attack Cargo Ship is pretty good
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I thought you had more carriers then that. Wheres the rest of them?
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Saint Celestine posted:I thought you had more carriers then that. Wheres the rest of them? He's only showing the ships under repair at that location.
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Aug 30, 2018 19:19
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Yeah, the others are already repaired.
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Lakedaimon posted:The US Navy wanted to abandon the .50 for 20mm autocannons, but when trying to convert the British Hispano design and ammunition to freedom units they never quite got it right and the guns were super prone to light striking and jamming I think. The military was sitting on 40 million rounds of 20mm ammunition that went unusued. A few hundred Corsairs were built with quad autocannons. It was also reasonably successful in the P-38 because the pilot could actually manually recock the gun if it failed to fire, unlike wing guns which needed a pneumatic mechanism often deleted for weight/space reasons. The Army Air Corps/Force originally planned to make a full switch, too. They gave it up in late 1942 or so, the Navy insisted on trying further throughout the whole war. The M1 and M2 versions of the US Hispano were just comically bad. The M2 in particular, where the British (whom had received lend-lease shipments of the M1 and found them so completely useless that they promptly melted them down again) actually pointed out to the yanks how exactly the M1 was hosed, and the US military bureaucracy then promptly decided to try anything except what the British told them to do to try and fix it. Oh well, the M3 version worked decently enough. By 1945, that is. And the M24 (basically an M3 that switched to electrical primers to finally fix the issue with light primer strikes that all earlier US Hispanos had) did a decent job on early Cold war jets.
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Grey Hunter posted:Yeah, the others are already repaired. Which bring up the question: Is it possible to set up the decicive naval victory to avoid having to rely on the lazy and dishonorable army in Chungking for enough points to send us into autovictory?
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Jonny Nox posted:Which bring up the question: Is it possible to set up the decicive naval victory to avoid having to rely on the lazy and dishonorable army in Chungking for enough points to send us into autovictory? With the USN mostly seeming to send things in dribbling amounts, at the very least it's possible some can be damaged? Decisive battle not likely (this si the late 1944 USN we're talking about), but significant attrition and losses on a limited pshere is at least possible? The IJN will have fully refitted carriers and escorts, full air wings of updated planes, and non-green pilots to throw in. At the very least they can make a go of it. They even have a moderately safe port near a combat zone, given the Allies haven't been able to get significant raids on Rabaul for awhile that they can rotate in and out of. So, they can at least make a fight of it if the Allies send things in piecemeal.
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to be absolutely clear, when I say victory I mean game victory conditions, not taking the USN out of the war.
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Jonny Nox posted:to be absolutely clear, when I say victory I mean game victory conditions, not taking the USN out of the war. If they keep on throwing 1 or 2 CV's at a time and can be faced with overwhelming by the KB and not get significant hits in the exhcnage or attrite IJN airgroups and Grey can manage to keep them intact and relatively well trained? I guess it's possible.
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quote:I thought you had more carriers then that. Wheres the rest of them? -Intercepted message from IJN high command to Yamamoto, June 8th 1942
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   Another day, another strike on China. Forces here are now at half, but the Chinese will not attack – I will remove more units now – at least I'm building a strike force for India!   We send a strike running.   These guys are stars - I've increased engine production, so hopefully we'll see more Franks soon!  This has been a crazy month in the air!  There have not been many fresh kills though!
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James Lick has a pretty fun biography. He was the guy who started selling chocolate in San Francisco with his partner and company namesake Ghiradelli. He was in the right places at the right time with the right capital and made shitloads of money in gold rush California mostly in land. He had a failson who he had shipped out from the east coast to California and after deciding his son was a poo poo head, gave almost all his money away.
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 Time to hit Omaha Beach!
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Grey Hunter posted:
This has been going on for a while now, but I still wonder what would be going through the minds of the guys who joined the Imperial Japanese Navy to be pilots, and ended up flying bombing missions in the middle of China.
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Puukko naamassa posted:This has been going on for a while now, but I still wonder what would be going through the minds of the guys who joined the Imperial Japanese Navy to be pilots, and ended up flying bombing missions in the middle of China. Considering Chinese bombing missions are the safest place they can possibly be... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Those Ki-61s performed surprisingly well, considering that they're rather inferior to an F6F.
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31 August 1944 We take a break from the endless stream of sunk minesweepers to watch a[n ex-]minelayer go down: USS Sealion torpedoes Shirataka (repurposed as an escort) in the Luzon Strait.
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The Japanese Air Force is managing to hold it's own with the Allied AF's -and- is taking down strategic bombers. ... And the IJN has an intact carrier force and moderately well trained air wings. ... The most normal thing is the IJA's plans to invade India. In 1945. This is gonna be a weird world come 1945
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wedgekree posted:The Japanese Air Force is managing to hold it's own with the Allied AF's -and- is taking down strategic bombers. The Soviets still steamroll japan in China and are forced to develop their own carrier force to invade japan.
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Ron Jeremy posted:The Soviets still steamroll japan in China and are forced to develop their own carrier force to invade japan. Which is promptly sunk by the elite Kido Butai, just like the Enterprise XIV
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Sep 1, 2018 06:22
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More throwing men up the beaches - this time with the best artillery strike I've ever seen!
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This guy's heroic actions have been made into a movie already. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiJjMggOUu8
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Holy poo poo that looks like a dire film.
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And now Roland Emmerich is remaking Midway. That should be.. Something.
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What really gets me is that as far as I know there's never been a movie about Samar.
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