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Hodgepodge posted:If you look carefully, Scott has put at least one obvious scientific inaccuracy in each film, perhaps as a way of letting the audience know that the information being provided is not objective fact. What makes you think it was intentional?
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Sep 2, 2018 09:05
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Alhazred posted:What makes you think it was intentional? I don't really care; it just happens once per film, and he doesn't rely much on technobabble outside of one line per film, which makes them stand out more. Maybe he just happened to drop one line of scientific jargon which happens to be conspicuously incorrect in each film, and also has no sense of humour that could possibly motivate him to follow this pattern of behaviour.
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Sep 2, 2018 10:12
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Yeah, Ridley Scott deliberately drops a single scientific inaccuracy into every movie as a special message to Hodgepodge, so he'd know that it's only two of them who appreciate the art of movie making and he is Scott's number one fan and best friend 
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Sep 2, 2018 14:51
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I bet Star Trek writers did the same thing each episode.
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Sep 2, 2018 14:54
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Monglo posted:Yeah, Ridley Scott deliberately drops a single scientific inaccuracy into every movie as a special message to Hodgepodge, so he'd know that it's only two of them who appreciate the art of movie making and he is Scott's number one fan and best friend Sometimes, I can't sleep at night. I know that there is a repeating pattern across all three films. But... what if it wasn't intentional?
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Sep 2, 2018 15:10
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Patterns can be unintentional
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Sep 2, 2018 15:31
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I think a film focusing on xenomorphs on earth would be fun. Sort of an Area 51/Half Life approach where they have several specimens in a secure remote underground facility and need to stop them from breaking out and getting to the surface once all hell inevitably breaks loose. Get away from the complicated lore and convoluted backstory and back to the desperation, suspense and panic that made the first 2 films so great and where the stakes are "holy poo poo. We can't let these things get out". A sequel could follow where of course they got out and are now colonizing and breeding in the mountains or some poo poo. I don't find the origin of the species all that interesting really and would like to see them get back to a basic monster movie.
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Sep 2, 2018 16:34
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BiggerBoat posted:I think a film focusing on xenomorphs on earth would be fun. Sort of an Area 51/Half Life approach where they have several specimens in a secure remote underground facility and need to stop them from breaking out and getting to the surface once all hell inevitably breaks loose. Get away from the complicated lore and convoluted backstory and back to the desperation, suspense and panic that made the first 2 films so great and where the stakes are "holy poo poo. We can't let these things get out". So AVP + Resurrection ? BiggerBoat posted:A sequel could follow where of course they got out and are now colonizing and breeding in the mountains or some poo poo. I don't find the origin of the species all that interesting really and would like to see them get back to a basic monster movie. So AV|P:R?
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Sep 3, 2018 00:24
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^^^Didn't see it^^^
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Sep 3, 2018 01:24
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To be fair, no one actually could see it.
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Sep 3, 2018 02:04
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CelticPredator posted:To be fair, no one actually could see it. Unless you saw it in the theatre. Like, I don’t get why they haven’t done a home release transfer that fixes the contrast.
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Sep 3, 2018 04:45
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They were protecting us from the trash.
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Sep 3, 2018 04:53
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CelticPredator posted:They were protecting us from the trash. A trashy horror film? 
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Sep 3, 2018 06:04
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CelticPredator posted:Yeah I just saw 2001 for the first time and Prometheus is the more horror filled remake of it. Straight up all around. Makes me love both films more. Please tell me you were fortunate enough to see it in 70mm IMAX. Went to see it twice last week. It's worth it for the audio alone. When all the alarms go off it's eerily horrifying. CelticPredator posted:AvP is just 2001 with slime and gore this is the wokest of all CineD posts imho Preston Waters fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Sep 3, 2018 |
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Sep 3, 2018 07:28
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Not 70mm but for sure giant IMAX and it was pretty great. Th sound was loving nuttts.
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Sep 3, 2018 07:52
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Trying to explain to fans on an AvP messageboard that "death of the author" is a thing and that we, as audience members, shouldn't be beholden to things Ridley Scott (of all people) says, has been a lot more challenging than it probably should be. I mean I probably shouldn't be surprised. Fans want "structure" and "truth". Introducing ambiguity and interpretation by stripping away the guiding hand of the Author (when such a guiding hand is present) probably doesn't feel very good.
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Sep 3, 2018 11:44
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Go read Jivjov's meltdown about the canon of Star Wars to see how having strict continuity fucks with the mind.
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Sep 3, 2018 12:22
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Xenomrph posted:Trying to explain to fans on an AvP messageboard that "death of the author" is a thing and that we, as audience members, shouldn't be beholden to things Ridley Scott (of all people) says, has been a lot more challenging than it probably should be. The intent of this sentence is sinister; it is meant to kill the reader. If you're still with us, I guess authorial intent is fallible.
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Sep 3, 2018 12:26
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Xenomrph posted:Trying to explain to fans on an AvP messageboard that "death of the author" is a thing and that we, as audience members, shouldn't be beholden to things Ridley Scott (of all people) says, has been a lot more challenging than it probably should be. It's not just alien fans. Recently, I found myself having to just argue that something could be interpreted in a political fashion. This was after so many had done so that the author felt the need to respond. Just saying that the "words could be interpreted in that manner and that the author was probably unaware of this" was not recieved well and annoyed a lot of people.
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Sep 3, 2018 14:01
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Hodgepodge posted:The intent of this sentence is sinister; it is meant to kill the reader. This is fantastic, is it okay if I poach it for personal use? Edit-- just got a shipping notice from Amazon that my copy of the Alien Covenant "David's Drawings" book should arrive tomorrow, I'm pretty stoked! Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Sep 3, 2018 |
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Sep 3, 2018 15:33
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Xenomrph posted:Trying to explain to fans on an AvP messageboard that "death of the author" is a thing and that we, as audience members, shouldn't be beholden to things Ridley Scott (of all people) says, has been a lot more challenging than it probably should be. This is why I always say the only Alien movie that would be a hit with the "true fans" today would be two hours of Ridley Scott and James Cameron sitting side by side reading passages of the Colonial Marines Technical Manual to each other as Futile Escape plays on a loop.
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Sep 3, 2018 16:33
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Xenomrph posted:This is fantastic, is it okay if I poach it for personal use? I was kind of hoping you would, actually.
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Xenomrph posted:This is fantastic, is it okay if I poach it for personal use? Oooooohhhhh.
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Sep 3, 2018 19:40
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Paging CelticPredator https://twitter.com/BBW_BFF/status/1036857588736962561?s=19
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Sep 5, 2018 04:15
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Oh yeah, they rule! I never thought they'd get released but was stoked when I found 'em.     Shaw came with a severed david head, which I turned into this 
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Sep 5, 2018 04:35
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Fantastic
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Sep 5, 2018 04:35
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Covok posted:It's not just alien fans. Recently, I found myself having to just argue that something could be interpreted in a political fashion. This was after so many had done so that the author felt the need to respond. Just saying that the "words could be interpreted in that manner and that the author was probably unaware of this" was not recieved well and annoyed a lot of people. I've run into the idea (only on science fiction forums, for reason) that by doing death of the author type interpretations one is trying to 'steal' control of the work away from the author and its not only an arrogant but fundamentally immoral act. Takes all kinds, I guess.
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Sep 5, 2018 11:26
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Crimpolioni posted:I've run into the idea (only on science fiction forums, for reason) that by doing death of the author type interpretations one is trying to 'steal' control of the work away from the author and its not only an arrogant but fundamentally immoral act. Takes all kinds, I guess. people that are used to things being one way tend to latch onto ideas, no matter how insane, that reinforce the established mode against critique
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Sep 5, 2018 12:14
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Neo Rasa posted:This is why I always say the only Alien movie that would be a hit with the "true fans" today would be two hours of Ridley Scott and James Cameron sitting side by side reading passages of the Colonial Marines Technical Manual to each other as Futile Escape plays on a loop. They kind of did that on Cameron's show where he just gushed about how good Alien was to Scott.
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Sep 5, 2018 14:55
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Crimpolioni posted:I've run into the idea (only on science fiction forums, for reason) that by doing death of the author type interpretations one is trying to 'steal' control of the work away from the author and its not only an arrogant but fundamentally immoral act. Takes all kinds, I guess. Yep, in this latest discussion I’ve been trudging through, I got called “arrogant” for questioning Ridley Scott. 
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Sep 5, 2018 15:35
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Crimpolioni posted:I've run into the idea (only on science fiction forums, for reason) that by doing death of the author type interpretations one is trying to 'steal' control of the work away from the author and its not only an arrogant but fundamentally immoral act. Takes all kinds, I guess. nerds are loving insane, what else is new
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Sep 5, 2018 18:33
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LesterGroans posted:Paging CelticPredator Lmao hell yeah.
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Jonah Galtberg posted:people that are used to things being one way tend to latch onto ideas, no matter how insane, that reinforce the established mode against critique Welcome to CineD. Hope you survive the experience
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BiggerBoat posted:I think a film focusing on xenomorphs on earth would be fun. Sort of an Area 51/Half Life approach where they have several specimens in a secure remote underground facility and need to stop them from breaking out and getting to the surface once all hell inevitably breaks loose. Get away from the complicated lore and convoluted backstory and back to the desperation, suspense and panic that made the first 2 films so great and where the stakes are "holy poo poo. We can't let these things get out".
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Sep 6, 2018 11:08
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So why did Fifield turn into Sasquatch? Was there no better designs other then zombie bigfoot man because that whole scene is still randomly out there.
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Sep 6, 2018 13:52
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ireq92-7Kk8
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Sep 6, 2018 13:54
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SirDrone posted:So why did Fifield turn into Sasquatch? Was there no better designs other then zombie bigfoot man because that whole scene is still randomly out there. Fifield was exposed to the black goo in a pretty indirect way compared to Holloway. Holloway ingested some fully concentrated goo, Fifield had some black-goo infected worm blood sprayed all over his face. But yea I agree that the design could've been better and there was an alternate CGI based design that they threw out in favor of the one we got.
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Sep 6, 2018 13:58
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the goo mutation effects are odd. I've always thought the general Frankenstein-y effects and Charlie's death with the flamethrower were visual references to The Thing from Another World But I just like that movie so w/e
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The black goo is basically the God that Weyland was looking for, which is a big part of what amuses David in Prometheus. Weyland is focused on these giant humanoids and David recognizes pretty quickly that the real force of nature they'd been led to is the black goo. So like God, the black goo works in mysterious ways and is often unpredictable.
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