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I Before E posted:It's like RoboCop: Alex Murphy and RoboCop may share physical parts, but they are separate. RoboCop has to uncover and integrate the parts of Murphy that still remain in his memory, but that doesn't mean he turns back into Murphy, but that RoboCop and Murphy become a new being, a synthesis. Exactly. Everyone’s familiar with like Robocop or Superman or, y’know, werewolves. Familiar phrases like “he’s dead to me” and “I’m not the same person I was ten years ago.” You can go on like this. Keep in mind that basically every single Star Wars character sees Anakin and Vader as distinct individuals. No Mods No Masters posted:The old EU was a long list of lazy half-assed ideas thrown out by people with no overarching plan, using it to predict the new list of lazy half-assed ideas thrown out by people with no overarching plan seems pretty reasonable People spend waaaay too much time worrying about “the plan” and/or whether there’s a plan. It doesn’t matter. Like at the start of Return Of The Jedi, the original plan to rescue Han gets badly hosed up and we never learn exactly what it was. Everyone gets captured and then Luke - who was apparently following his own distinct plan to assassinate Jabba - pulls a last-minute victory out of his rear end.
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Waffles Inc. posted:Jacen could time travel in the old EU I think—it had some sort of dorky name like Time Walking or Flow Walking or something like that Anakin Flow-walker is my favorite intensely white rapper
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Sep 3, 2018 01:35
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Cnut the Great posted:We never see him freeing any slaves. Instead, he casually gives aid to a slave-holding rapist so that he can intentionally induce the same unbearable emotional distress in his son that he himself once felt for his brutalized mother, all as a means to lure his son into a trap and use him as a mere tool to aid in his own ambitions of greater power. His son refuses, so he angrily castrates him and then threatens to murder him if he won't do as he says. This is a particularly great point: how hosed up is it that Vader goes from wanting to free the slaves to throwing a bone to one of Tatooine's most repellent slaveowners?
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Sep 3, 2018 02:16
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I Before E posted:Anakin Flow-walker is my favorite intensely white rapper https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHefzQducnM&t=11s
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Sep 3, 2018 02:26
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Sheevy P's got the moves.
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Sep 3, 2018 02:27
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Mameluke posted:This is a particularly great point: how hosed up is it that Vader goes from wanting to free the slaves to throwing a bone to one of Tatooine's most repellent slaveowners? At least Dooku and Maul go out still maintaining some sense of scruples or purpose. Vader doesn't even know what he's loving doing anymore by the OT.
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Sep 3, 2018 02:44
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Palpatine is Anakin's father Sheev is Luke's grandpappy Luke is Rey's dad the will of the force is a snake eating its own rear end, forever
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Sep 3, 2018 03:08
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Mameluke posted:This is a particularly great point: how hosed up is it that Vader goes from wanting to free the slaves to throwing a bone to one of Tatooine's most repellent slaveowners? That’s misunderstanding the story. Vader has captured Han so that Luke will be compelled to rescue him and thereby betray the Republican Alliance and the Jedi. This is because the former are hopelessly ineffectual and the latter are pushing a detached passivity. Vader wants Luke to save his friends. So while he claims that he is merely testing the machine, Vader’s real goal is obviously to send Han alive and unharmed to Jabba. “He will not be permanently damaged.” Then, after uniting with Luke to kill the Emperor, they would liberate Jakku as father and son. Vader’s plan obviously never comes to fruition, which is why you have Luke doing a halfassed assassination on his own, in Episode 6, freeing nobody but Han.
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Sep 3, 2018 04:17
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^ luke wears black with white underneath at the start of episode 6, checks out
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Sep 3, 2018 06:11
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ungulateman posted:^ luke wears black with white underneath at the start of episode 6, checks out Right, but we should go back to the very end of Episode 5, where Chewbacca and Lando fly off to save Han - and Luke stays behind, with the Republican Alliance. Luke: “Sacrifice Han and Leia?” Yoda: “If you honour what they fight for, yes.” The lesson is that you can’t have it both ways. Yoda wants Luke to sacrifice everything to restore the Republic and the Jedi, while Vader’s stance is to say gently caress the Republic. Again, Vader wants Luke to save Han, to teach him about the injustice of the Republic. If you want to actually help people, you need to give up your ideology. It’s part of his plan to institute full galactic communism now. But when we get to Episode 6, an overconfident Luke tries to have it both ways, and we end up with a ridiculous parody of heroism. Leia is nearly raped, Chewbacca is nearly shot to death, Han and Lando both nearly end up devoured... It’s only through (literal) blind luck that anyone survives. But, more importantly, Luke simply assassinates Jabba and leaves the planet to rot - hence why, in Episode 7, Tatooine is a barren junkyard and the slave trade is still chugging along. “Regime change.” It bears repeating that there are two plans: Leia simply wants to grab Han and get out of there, swindling Jabba out of ~40,000 spacebucks in the process. She doesn’t really give a poo poo about Jabba himself. And then, Luke’s plan is just to make a deal with Jabba, killing him if necessary: “I'm taking Captain Solo and his friends. You can either profit by this, or be destroyed. It's your choice.” “You should've bargained, Jabba. This is the last mistake you'll ever make. They miss Vader’s point entirely.
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Sep 3, 2018 15:07
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:But, more importantly, Luke simply assassinates Jabba and leaves the planet to rot - hence why, in Tatooine isn't in TFA.
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Sep 3, 2018 15:40
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kidkissinger posted:Tatooine isn't in TFA. Yes it is, because it is Jakku.
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Sep 3, 2018 15:41
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:Yes it is, because it is Jakku. Nope; those are two completely separate planets.
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Sep 3, 2018 15:46
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jivjov posted:Nope; those are two completely separate planets. There's no actual separation between them that is ever shown. They're the same.
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Sep 3, 2018 15:49
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Tatooine has two suns.
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Sep 3, 2018 15:52
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Anakin and Vader are not the same being, but Jakku and Tattooine definitely are the same planet.
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Sep 3, 2018 15:53
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:There's no actual separation between them that is ever shown. They're the same. Do i need to post the map again? Do you know how maps work?
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Sep 3, 2018 15:54
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never mind jiv jov's literalness, it's one thing to say that Jakku and Tatooine represent similar things but they aren't literally the same planet. that's silly
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Sep 3, 2018 15:58
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jivjov posted:Do i need to post the map again? Do you know how maps work? Okay, show the maps from the movies.
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Sep 3, 2018 15:59
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Okay, show the maps from the movies. 
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Sep 3, 2018 16:13
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Okay, show the maps from the movies.
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Sep 3, 2018 16:15
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I don't remember that scene.
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Sep 3, 2018 16:15
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That map is a canonical source. It is just as relevant to the films as the films themselves Maybe educate yourself a TINY bit on how the star wars continuity works? Then you won't look like a huge dumbass every single time you post.
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Sep 3, 2018 16:16
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Okay, show the maps from the movies. Jakku is very clearly show as having one sun in TFA. Tatooine has two. I get that youre just antagonizing jivjov but we really don't need another detail about canon.
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Sep 3, 2018 16:19
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Surely there must be times when a planet orbiting a binary system will only have one star visible from any particular point on the planets surface
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Sep 3, 2018 16:20
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jivjov posted:That map is a canonical source. It is just as relevant to the films as the films themselves You're once again confusing canon with continuity. So Star Wars continuity works with that if there's a book that says that Jakku and Tatooine are two different planets, then they are different planets in the movies. That's like saying that if there's a book where the Giant Rat of Sumatra is a code-name for Moriarty's eviler clone, then that would mean that's what Doctor Watson meant. jivjov posted:Then you won't look like a huge dumbass every single time you post.  kidkissinger posted:Tatooine has two. That's an optical illusion that happens on Earth too.
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Sep 3, 2018 16:23
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jivjov posted:Maybe educate yourself a TINY bit on how the star wars continuity works? Then you won't look like a huge dumbass every single time you post. If anything, the inverse of this correlation is more commonplace.
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Sep 3, 2018 16:25
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fridge corn posted:Surely there must be times when a planet orbiting a binary system will only have one star visible from any particular point on the planets surface Why is this insane argument so important to you people
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Sep 3, 2018 16:25
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kidkissinger posted:Why is this insane argument so important to you people Some people just can't handle the idea of two desert planets not being the same planet
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Sep 3, 2018 16:26
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Tatooine is imporant because it reflects the state of the galaxy in every trilogy. In the originals, it's a frontier that's alternatively lawless or oppressive. In the prequels, it's a functioning but corrupt society. In the sequels, it's a junkyard where demoralized drudges strip off parts of the old movies to produce nothing of value.
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Sep 3, 2018 16:31
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:That's like saying that if there's a book where the Giant Rat of Sumatra is a code-name for Moriarty's eviler clone, then that would mean that's what Doctor Watson meant. Actually, the Story Group (speaking ex cathedra) established that the Giant Rat of Sumatra was just one of the Colossal Schemes of Baron Maupertuis.
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Sep 3, 2018 16:36
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:In the sequels, it's a junkyard where demoralized drudges strip off parts of the old movies to produce nothing of value. 
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Sep 3, 2018 16:42
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:In the sequels, it's a junkyard where demoralized drudges strip off parts of the old movies to produce nothing of value. Tatooine has yet to appear in any Sequel Trilogy film.
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Sep 3, 2018 17:04
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jivjov posted:Tatooine has yet to appear in any Sequel Trilogy film. Maybe Kylo Ren will try to destroy it with the death star 4 in star wars 9
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Sep 3, 2018 17:06
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No Mods No Masters posted:Maybe Kylo Ren will try to destroy it with the death star 4 in star wars 9 I wouldn't put it past them to have Tatooine shown up in IX; I doubt they'd destroy it though.
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Sep 3, 2018 17:08
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They destroyed Coruscant in Force Awakens so I wouldn't put it past Abrams to blow up Tatooine.
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Sep 3, 2018 17:16
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OctoberCountry posted:They destroyed Coruscant in Force Awakens so I wouldn't put it past Abrams to blow up Tatooine. Huh? Coruscant didn't appear in TFA at all, let alone get blown up.
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Sep 3, 2018 17:17
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jivjov posted:Huh? Coruscant didn't appear in TFA at all, let alone get blown up. isn't that one of the planets destroyed by the big laser planet and we see it from whatever that world Lupita's CGI character is on
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Sep 3, 2018 17:25
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Exactly, the First Order blow up that city planet that's the seat of government for the Republic with their super death star.
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grieving for Gandalf posted:isn't that one of the planets destroyed by the big laser planet and we see it from whatever that world Lupita's CGI character is on No; Starkiller destroys the Hosnian system, including Hosnian Prime. Coruscant doesn't appear in TFA at all.
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