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Guys, this card is a major innovation. The red do nothing rare enchantment with a million lines of rules text is not mono-red.
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oryx posted:
Would this count each iteration of a Storm spell as a separate spell? If so there might be some utility for it in Modern but otherwise it's just going to be a thing that you're amazingly disappointed to open.
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Sep 3, 2018 04:19
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Hellsau posted:Tower didn't require a mana investment after landing it and also let you use energy from wherever. Maybe Izzet has a bunch of charge counter synergies, like a "3U Instant, Scry 2, draw 2, put 2 charge counters on target permanent" but most likely not. That or they're reprinting some kind of winding constrictor/doubling season effect and had to nerf the card to the ground.
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Sep 3, 2018 04:20
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:Would this count each iteration of a Storm spell as a separate spell? If so there might be some utility for it in Modern but otherwise it's just going to be a thing that you're amazingly disappointed to open. No. Storm spells aren't cast, other than the first one.
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Sep 3, 2018 04:23
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oryx posted:That or they're reprinting some kind of winding constrictor/doubling season effect and had to nerf the card to the ground. Even so, the rate is just so bad on this since you need to pay mana. The free activation are what made the dynavolt and pyromancer ascension worthwhile. I’m fine with the type of deck this promotes being weaker, and we already have primal amulet/wellspring, but this seems so bad you’d rather just not run it in your spells deck, there’s almost no payoff.
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Sep 3, 2018 05:20
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The blue red enchantment looks like a pay off for being in the blue red spells archetype in draft. If it becomes a standard powerhouse then I think standard is going to be in a great place.
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Sep 3, 2018 05:39
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I very much want Jeskai control to be better than Grixis next standard, so I can keep using my Teferis and put in Ral, instead of getting Vraska's Contempts.
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Sep 3, 2018 05:48
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That's a really lovely payoff for a draft archetype. Like, abysmally lovely. You wouldn't play 2UUUR Draw 2 cards, so you really gotta be getting up to 5 charge counters. What does your deck look like? This enchantment, 17 lands, 10 creatures and 12 spells? So you use this as your two-drop, cast a three-drop blocker, and then cast a handful of spells on the following 3-4 turns to get a removal spell? That seems much worse than one of those clunky 6-mana removal spells that haven't been high picks in the last couple formats. And then you draw this enchantment on turn 7 and it's little more than Jumpstart fuel.
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Sep 3, 2018 05:50
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In fairness, Jumpstart is a mechanic that seems like it would let you play some conditionally-useful cards, and always have something you can do with them. Of course, you'd want the sort of card where meeting the condition makes it one of the best cards in your deck, and not just one that improves from "bad" to "not quite so bad, but still probably worse than what you cut for it".
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Sep 3, 2018 05:59
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Jumpstart makes Firemind's Research a lot better for many reasons, but it's still so hilariously underpowered (probably due to Constructed concerns, although I can't imagine a constructed deck getting any millage out of that card as printed either,) that I have a hard time seeing a normal-power set making use of it in limited. Like, what's the 'good' mode on it? You have to cast five other spells to get to Fiery Conclusion something. Not even, like, a free Fiery Conclusion, but the privilege of finally getting to tap 1R after five goddamn spells to deal 5 damage. I guess if it draws you 4-5 cards over the course of a game that's cool but you'd need to be built to grind and there'd need to be enough good Jumpstart cards that casting 8-10 instants or sorceries after playing Firemind's Research isn't just going to roll over to whatever Selesnya or Boros are up to.
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Sep 3, 2018 06:25
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In three months we'll find out that the terror of standard was a card they pushed to fight the Firemind's Research deck before they nerfed the card into the ground
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cheetah7071 posted:In three months we'll find out that the terror of standard was a card they pushed to fight the Firemind's Research deck before they nerfed the card into the ground I mean, even one good burn spell in the next two sets will be terrifying. Shock/Lightning Strike/Wizard's Lightning is already pushing it. If they reprint Lightning Helix or some other spell comparable to Lightning Strike we'll be in for some poo poo. So like, I could see it being terrifying if it was better than Dynavolt Tower or better than Guttersnipe. Worse than that though, it's trash. TheDemon fucked around with this message at 07:07 on Sep 3, 2018 |
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Sep 3, 2018 06:41
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cheetah7071 posted:In three months we'll find out that the terror of standard was a card they pushed to fight the Firemind's Research deck before they nerfed the card into the ground Ah, I see someone else remembers First Response
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ROFLburger posted:Are these Grand Prix standard format tournaments usually composed of the same 3 decks playing against each other? I've been watching on and off all day and so far every game I've watched is a mirror match full of the Rekindling Phoenix, Goblin Chainwhirler, and Pia Nalaar Standard doesn't really allow players to get attached to decks like in other formats so most people just show up with whatever they think is the best deck. Plus there's not enough powerful cards or interactions to support more than 4-5 competitive decks in such a limited card pool. It's as miserable to play as it is to watch. Last 3 standard GPs I played in I took Hangarback Abzan, GW Tokens, and Bant Company and in all 3 more than half of my matches were mirrors.
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Sep 3, 2018 13:11
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Since we're going back to Ravnica and they printed a lesser version of Rabblemaster can we get some kind of new Krenko Hell, even a Krenko Planeswalker due to something that happens story wise related. +1 put a 1/1 red goblin into play - (whatever) deal damage to any target based on the number of goblins you control ulti - whatever
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Sep 3, 2018 13:52
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80s James Hetfield posted:Since we're going back to Ravnica and they printed a lesser version of Rabblemaster can we get some kind of new Krenko Only if he can retain the Goblin creature type
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Sep 3, 2018 13:56
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TheKingofSprings posted:Only if he can retain the Goblin creature type In ten years, they’ll eventually errata all planeswalkers to have a creature type along with the walker type. Also, Fireminds Research is another Dramatic Scepter wincon. That’s about it.
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Sep 3, 2018 14:03
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make the karns artifact planeswalkers
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Sep 3, 2018 14:14
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Kurtofan posted:make the karns artifact planeswalkers and Ugin and Ulamog Also give them the phantasmal image rider
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Sep 3, 2018 14:23
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Bring back urza-era squirrel decks with a squirrel planeswalker
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Sep 3, 2018 14:43
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Print Earl of Squirrel in black border.
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Sep 3, 2018 14:50
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TheKingofSprings posted:What do you expect in a format with ~80 good cards out of a thousand? They kinda need to work on that. The disparity in power level due to obviously pushed bullshit has gotten pretty dumb.
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Sep 3, 2018 15:07
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AlternateNu posted:In ten years, they’ll eventually errata all planeswalkers to have a creature type along with the walker type. Just use the really prosaic names they give them in some of the planeswalker decks like "Minotaur pirate."
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Sep 3, 2018 15:11
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when you’re back at it again defending your capitalist overlords http://twitter.com/SaffronOlive/status/1036608139485999104
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Sep 3, 2018 15:12
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Boco_T posted:when you’re back at it again defending your capitalist overlords that makes a certain amount of sense but are there any bad sets that got opened for the lands? khans of tarkir is the only one i can think of where the lands are the only real value in the set but i thought that was because it was such a good set it got opened to hell and back
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Sep 3, 2018 15:15
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evilweasel posted:that makes a certain amount of sense but are there any bad sets that got opened for the lands? khans of tarkir is the only one i can think of where the lands are the only real value in the set but i thought that was because it was such a good set it got opened to hell and back Yeah Khans not only had a really good "dual" land cycle but was a really great draft set which is why everything from the set that isn't a fetchland is so cheap (this kind of applies to FRF too outside of Ugin since they were drafted together for a bit). If GRN is any fun to draft I expect I expect the price of those shocklands to go way down too.
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Sep 3, 2018 15:20
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Boco_T posted:when you’re back at it again defending your capitalist overlords Channel Fireball sells product, it's in SaffronOlive's interest to defend his capitalist overlords.
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Boco_T posted:when you’re back at it again defending your capitalist overlords "if the rest of the set is really bad" lmao here's a groundbreaking idea: print good cards!
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Sep 3, 2018 15:20
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Boco_T posted:when you’re back at it again defending your capitalist overlords Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Channel Fireball sells product, it's in SaffronOlive's interest to defend his capitalist overlords. "Member of Royal Family defends existence of the Monarchy!" News at 11!
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Sep 3, 2018 15:23
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I thought SaffronOlive was mtg goldfish but yeah same thing effectively.
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that said lands being the chase rare card makes the game a lot better than basically any other option. i would much rather be able to have a toned down version of a good deck that just has bad lands, than to have good lands but none of the powerful cards. as long as wotc wants to make money off selling boosters, some cards are going to be more valuable than others, and lands are one of the few where there's very good budget options if you don't feel like paying full price for the full powered deck.
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Sep 3, 2018 15:36
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“Counterfeits are awesome and good for Magic” isn’t edgy enough anymore. You have to argue in favor of WOTC going out of business and Magic being discontinued if you really want the admiration and respect of all your fellow players.
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Sep 3, 2018 15:41
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I'd much rather play with underpowered cards in my deck then be Even Further at the whims of the lovely mana system.
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Angry Grimace posted:“Counterfeits are awesome and good for Magic” isn’t edgy enough anymore. You have to argue in favor of WOTC going out of business and Magic being discontinued if you really want the admiration and respect of all your fellow players. Your deck and your longboxes are your personal property and will not be seized under socialism. WotC and the presses that print magic trading cards are private property and that's what will be nationalized for the good of all, comrade.
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Sep 3, 2018 15:45
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ilmucche posted:Bring back urza-era squirrel decks with a squirrel planeswalker This but unironically. Was there ever a reason given for why squirrels got less prominence as a token type, btw?
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Sep 3, 2018 15:45
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:This but unironically. Fun is now silver border
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Sep 3, 2018 15:48
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Angry Grimace posted:Fun is now silver border and Deranged Hermit is on the reserved list.
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Sep 3, 2018 15:50
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Rap Record Hoarder posted:
That was unironic. My guess is squirrels aren't serious business enough?
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Sep 3, 2018 15:52
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ilmucche posted:That was unironic. My guess is squirrels aren't serious business enough? That is exactly why. I wasn’t even really joking about the fun being silver border. There are squirrels in Unstable and not other products for a reason. WOTC considers Magic serious business at all times.
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MaRo has said that marketing has declared squirrels to be "off brand" for a fantasy game like Magic.
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