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Sickening posted:WOTC is trying to get away from revisiting good mechanics and instead make up worse versions of those mechanics that they can give a new name. Murder being used for a mediocre card that didn’t do anything cool is the biggest tragedy of this.
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Chill la Chill posted:Murder being used for a mediocre card that didn’t do anything cool is the biggest tragedy of this. It kills a creature what the gently caress else do you want it to do?
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Sep 4, 2018 19:29
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Jump-start is cool and good.
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Sep 4, 2018 19:31
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The card Murder does exactly what it says it does
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Sep 4, 2018 19:37
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Star Man posted:So why couldn't we have just gotten flashback instead of jump-start, again? I mean, Jump Start just is Flashback with a wrinkle that gives it a little more interesting gameplay to it.
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Sep 4, 2018 19:39
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Lone Goat posted:It kills a creature what the gently caress else do you want it to do? It costs more and it should have some gravitas. Exile the creature perhaps, for it is not just killing, it is murder.
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Sep 4, 2018 19:40
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Seeing all these 1 and 2 toughness Boros cards have me worried about my fav guild. Mentor isn't going to be worth much with everyone dying to chump blocks and shocks
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Sep 4, 2018 19:41
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Chill la Chill posted:It costs more and it should have some gravitas. Exile the creature perhaps, for it is not just killing, it is murder. murder is just killing
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Sep 4, 2018 19:45
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Vaah posted:Seeing all these 1 and 2 toughness Boros cards have me worried about my fav guild. Mentor isn't going to be worth much with everyone dying to chump blocks and shocks At least the shocks cost 3?
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Sep 4, 2018 19:49
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Jump-start is worse than both flashback and retrace, and not having separate jump-start costs is a dumb way to limit its flexibility.
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Sep 4, 2018 19:50
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Archenteron posted:Maze's End Turbofog was Real and Cool and Strong and Was My Friend Hi five mazes end buddy
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Sep 4, 2018 19:53
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Kuiperdolin posted:That sounds really fun and not at all a feelbad gotcha factory. Yeah I honestly have no idea why they felt that it needed to check both on trigger and resolution. That's just stupid and chances are their stupid future league found a "combo" wherein you pump a creature before the trigger resolves and deemed it too strong for Standard. Which, given WotC's track record of knowing their own format, it probably wouldn't have been. But now we will have five+ judge calls for this lovely ability at every prerelease, huzzah
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Sep 4, 2018 19:59
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Chill la Chill posted:It costs more and it should have some gravitas. Exile the creature perhaps, for it is not just killing, it is murder. murder is when you kill someone the rest of that poo poo is something else entirely  gravitas lmao
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Sep 4, 2018 20:01
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wasn't this supposed to be the first set with full play design input
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Chill la Chill posted:Murder being used for a mediocre card that didn’t do anything cool is the biggest tragedy of this. It's fine in limited.
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Katana Gomai posted:Yeah I honestly have no idea why they felt that it needed to check both on trigger and resolution. That's just stupid and chances are their stupid future league found a "combo" wherein you pump a creature before the trigger resolves and deemed it too strong for Standard. Which, given WotC's track record of knowing their own format, it probably wouldn't have been. It's not clear it checks on trigger. We've only seen the reminder text for it. The official rules could easily say "... on target creature if it has less power."
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Sep 4, 2018 20:05
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Katana Gomai posted:Yeah I honestly have no idea why they felt that it needed to check both on trigger and resolution. That's just stupid and chances are their stupid future league found a "combo" wherein you pump a creature before the trigger resolves and deemed it too strong for Standard. Which, given WotC's track record of knowing their own format, it probably wouldn't have been. It's not clear it checks on trigger. We've only seen the reminder text for it. The official rules could easily say "... on target creature if it has less power."
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Sep 4, 2018 20:05
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dragon enthusiast posted:wasn't this supposed to be the first set with full play design input It’s the fall 2019 set that will be the first to have play design input since the beginning. They seriously work that far in advance. MaRo posted they were running drafts of the Fall 2020 set a few weeks back.
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Sep 4, 2018 20:06
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Lone Goat posted:murder is when you kill someone Justifiable Homicide 1W Instant Destroy target creature that dealt combat damage to you or a creature or planeswalker you control this turn. Manslaughter R Instant If you cast this card without paying its suspend cost, next time you would begin your turn, instead skip that turn. Suspend 3-R Deal 8 damage to a random creature you don't control. Vehicular Homicide 1R Instant Deal 5 damage to each creature blocking or blocked by target vehicle you control.
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Sep 4, 2018 20:13
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I usually assume most creatures in magic die from manslaughter and not premeditated murder. Aside from BOP. You know that fucker is going down on their turn 1 so you have the lightning bolt ready
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Sep 4, 2018 20:18
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Owlbear Camus posted:Vehicular Homicide 1R  fake e: also you obviously need 1st degree murder with suspend
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Sep 4, 2018 20:25
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Tulul posted:
Yeah I might have got it backwards on Manslaughter. My rationale was the suspend was an even greater randomizer, while hard casting it lets you be more selective (and thus lands you in "jail.") 
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Sep 4, 2018 20:29
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where are the cards, come on
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Sep 4, 2018 20:31
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Kurtofan posted:where are the cards, come on  
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Sep 4, 2018 20:34
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nothing more fun for the limited play environment than big dumb hexproof bodies at uncommon. can't get enough of the fun and good mechanic: hexproof E: I guess at 5 toughness it's right at the point where it's a little more plausibly killable in combat. still my gripe stands Owlbear Camus fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Sep 4, 2018 |
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Sep 4, 2018 20:47
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Boooooooooo Two keywords on a 1/1 and in the convoke colors could be a surprisingly high pick in draft, rustwing falcon didn't have a lot of mechanical support and was much better than I initially thought it would be. Between the new mentor mechanic, Legion's Landing and Pridemate, wouldn't shock me if it ended up in constructed as well.
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Sep 4, 2018 20:51
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All I want is for Azor, the Lawbringer to be playable
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Sep 4, 2018 21:11
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I didn't like the 1/1 flyer in Dominaria. What do you have to do to a 1/1 1CMC flyer to make it good? Because I don't feel like it's Lifelink, I value conditional Scry more than Lifelink.
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Sep 4, 2018 21:23
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A 1/1 flyer for 1 is almost universally bad.
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Sep 4, 2018 21:24
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number one pta fan posted:I didn't like the 1/1 flyer in Dominaria. What do you have to do to a 1/1 1CMC flyer to make it good? Because I don't feel like it's Lifelink, I value conditional Scry more than Lifelink. Format dependent. Rule of thumb is such a card is bad, but if you have enough synergies(convoke/auras/other support), then it can be playable to good. I actually think this one looks fine, it does cause a 2 point every time it connects and can be obnoxious with auras. Basically I agree with Marketing New Brain
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Sep 4, 2018 21:27
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mcmagic posted:A 1/1 flyer for 1 is almost universally bad. I like the one that hosed Settle. Back when Settle was relevant in Standard.
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Sep 4, 2018 21:34
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Rustwing falcon is good because the 1/2 dodges all the ping in the format, and in the go wide red white deck represents a lava axe worth of damage after a trumpet blast or two
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mcmagic posted:Dragonskull Summit, Rootbound Crag, Blood Crypt and Stomping Grounds will likely all be in the same standard... You can't play an RRR spell along with a 2GB spell unless you're insanely greedy and you can't put Status//Statue in a deck unless you can reliably cast Statue.
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:It's not clear it checks on trigger. We've only seen the reminder text for it. The official rules could easily say "... on target creature if it has less power." https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/guilds-ravnica-mechanics-2018-09-04 "Mentor is an ability that triggers whenever the creature with mentor attacks. You choose another attacking creature with lesser power as the target. As the ability resolves, compare the powers of the two creatures again. If the target creature's power is still less than the power of the creature with mentor, put a +1/+1 counter on the target creature. If something happened in response to the mentor ability such that the target creature no longer has lesser power, the mentor ability won't do anything."
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The 1/1 Flying Lifelink will be a reasonably high pick, because Convoke is great. Being able to use that card as effectively a mana dork for most of your high end is just awesome. Also, Jump-start was either just Flashback, or it required you to discard a card and didn't require the mana on the second cast, and then was changed suddenly at the end of development. That's the only thing that really makes any sense for why these cards are so atrociously costed. 1UR, Discard a card, tap 2 creatures and dome the opponent for 4? That's pretty good. 2UURR, tap 2 creatures, dome the opponent for 4? That's a reasonable finisher. 2UURR, discard a card? Ick. Yeah maybe there are prowess-type synergies that heavily reward being able to cast multiple instants and sorceries, but any synergy powerful enough that it'd require all the Jump-start cards to be that weak would be too powerful with just random non-Jump-start spells and, well, look at that lovely enchantment for the power level we're probably looking at.
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Angry Grimace posted:You can't play an RRR spell along with a 2GB spell unless you're insanely greedy and you can't put Status//Statue in a deck unless you can reliably cast Statue. I'm pretty sure you can. The mana will probably be good enough. Chainwhirler doesn't have to be played on T3 to make it good.
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mcmagic posted:I'm pretty sure you can. The mana will probably be good enough. Chainwhirler doesn't have to be played on T3 to make it good. Definitely gonna need the second set to come out so we get the relevant red shocklands.
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To be fair, after seeing Firemind’s Research, we should have figured common Jumpstart was going to be costed like garbage. This is basically as expected. Gonna have to wait for the full card list to see if they actually do something with the mechanic besides ‘bad Flashback with possible upside in Reanimator.’ Some of them will see limited play because any useful spell you can play twice is probably worth an extra mana symbol in most limited formats that don’t just get you run over for trying it but.. I mean... I see you there, Boros.
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There will be relevant jumpstart cards, we just haven't seen anything other than limited fodder yet. If the real preview week wraps up and we haven't seen anything good with the mechanic, I'll start to worry.
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number one pta fan posted:I didn't like the 1/1 flyer in Dominaria. What do you have to do to a 1/1 1CMC flyer to make it good? Because I don't feel like it's Lifelink, I value conditional Scry more than Lifelink. At common? Maybe Exalted would be reasonable (or uncommon).
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