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Agronox posted:
Not total trash, but still far less funny than the spider parts.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I want to write an isekai where some reddit nerd gets trapped in a fantasy world and constantly gets owned because he sucks KonoSuba exists already.
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Sep 5, 2018 14:38
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Can you consider those "transported to feudal japan" mangas Isekai or does the protagonist have to die? Because the ones about the chef and neurosurgeon in japan are kinda fun.
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Sep 5, 2018 16:06
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nerdz posted:Can you consider those "transported to feudal japan" mangas Isekai or does the protagonist have to die? Because the ones about the chef and neurosurgeon in japan are kinda fun. Time travel stories can structurally be very different and to me what's important and makes isekai isekai is a set of fantasy genre trappings specofic to isekai that are near universal and bore me in a way historical fantasy doesnt.
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Sep 5, 2018 16:09
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But also genre has become increasingly less useful as a structure to organize and discern content as the years roll by anyways.
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Sep 5, 2018 16:32
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There's usually all that "RPG interface" bullshit that I hate so, so much
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Sep 5, 2018 16:48
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Agronox posted:
I think that the manga is ignoring that content (it was originally sprinkled among the spider chapters). Also I should mention that most people dislike the parts/characters I'm talking about (or at least like them less than the spider parts), but they're also wrong. The spider parts are highly overrated in my opinion and rely too heavily on how wacky she us, and while it was okay for a while it wore out its welcome pretty fast. I would say that the spider parts started going downhill around when she started making and utilizing the separate minds (that also roughly coincides with her becoming kind of overpowered and the fights losing all tension). Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Sep 5, 2018 |
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Sep 5, 2018 16:49
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i disliked them at the time because they aren't as good as the kumoko chapters and they didn't seem to have anything to do with her much better plot. it was all worth it when they revealed the connection, though.
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Sep 5, 2018 16:57
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nerdz posted:Can you consider those "transported to feudal japan" mangas Isekai or does the protagonist have to die? Because the ones about the chef and neurosurgeon in japan are kinda fun. Sharkopath posted:Time travel stories can structurally be very different and to me what's important and makes isekai isekai is a set of fantasy genre trappings specofic to isekai that are near universal and bore me in a way historical fantasy doesnt.
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Sep 5, 2018 17:15
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:i disliked them at the time because they aren't as good as the kumoko chapters and they didn't seem to have anything to do with her much better plot. it was all worth it when they revealed the connection, though. But her plot was extremely boring (at least prior to it intersecting with other charactere) and consisted of her just becoming ridiculously strong due to what amounted to the same ridiculous advantages isekai protagonists usually have. At least the interlude chapters gave some insight into the larger world, and Shun was actually kind of interesting in the sense that he (and most of the other students) was dramatically weaker than all the major players. It's kinda novel to have isekai characters who are actually in over their heads power-wise.
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Sep 5, 2018 17:39
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If you go too much farther into this, could ya’ll please use spoiler tags? The translation has made it up to her getting the fourth personality so anything after that, as well as pretty much everything about her normal life, is new to us manga people.
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Sep 5, 2018 17:43
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Man I wish Jin updated more frequently.
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Sep 5, 2018 23:15
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I would give partial credit to Shield Hero just for him at least starting out in a real lovely situation with some serious limitations. But of course it had to normalize slavery and he of course has to have the requisite girl with funny ears--usually a catgirl--of that whole genre. That's in comparison to a more typical "walks into the adventurer guild, learns the A-E/F/G/H and obligatory S ranking, then makes the level indicator thing explode due to overwhelming power." I feel like you could construct some kind of flow chart to bin the different Isekai mangas based on: 1. What the person was before: typical high school student, nerd high school student, NEET, old man, respectable human being 2. they got beamed up/reincarnated/walked through a portal/whatever/unable to log off 3. How they manifest on the other side: summoning circle, randomly teleported somewhere, born, dumped in a video game 4. Whether they're even a human: demon lord, goblin, slime, dragon, random monster, an onsen (yes, that's right) 5. Whether or not it was an accident 6. Whether or not they have a cheat skill. If so, what it is Unfortunately, you can't really put a category in there to distinguish based on slavery because it's usually a given with a basic, "well what are you gonna do LOL!" After seeing a few, there was the one with the exterminator that goes through. Skimming past the fan service, I was at least amused that his business model appeared to be to bankrupt slavers, but it was never spelled out, and it looks like he's given up on that hobby.
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Chas McGill posted:Man I wish Jin updated more frequently. Too many time travel stories are overly concerned about "changing the timeline" or similar rot. But history is a loving charnel house! Jin is the best because he briefly thinks about the ramifications and then goes "Nope! I'd rather save millions of lives!"
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Sep 6, 2018 21:51
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I thought that was well illustrated in the recent beriberi arc where a simple change in diet can stop untold misery. At the same time, despite his knowledge, change is still really difficult due to entrenched views about health - one man can't unseat hundreds of years of perceived wisdom easily. Also thanks to the ppl who mentioned the Faraway Paladin, caught up with it and it was surprisingly sweet.
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Sep 6, 2018 21:59
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:I would give partial credit to Shield Hero https://twitter.com/dril/status/831805955402776576
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Sep 7, 2018 01:02
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lol
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Sep 7, 2018 01:06
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I suppose I saw the Faraway Paladin as a bit less unusual than others ITT seemed to because it reminded me of all those post-LOTR Campbellian fantasy novels - Shannara, Prydain, the Belgariad, the Wheel of Time, and so on. Good-hearted kid gets raised in the middle of nowhere by secretly super-important people, goes out to see the world and defeat evil god. There are wrinkles, like the super-important people all being walking (or floating) corpses, and our kid hero having untreated depression from a previous life, but by and large, it all seems pretty familiar. I think its main advantage is that it’s a basically solid story template that the author knows how to execute, and the atmosphere is uncommonly (and effectively) thoughtful and melancholy. I’d also say that in the English manga chapters I’ve read, Will doesn’t feel like a Mary Sue in the sense we often see in isekai and other crappy light novels. He’s powerful, but only enough to give him a fighting chance (and I mean a chance, not a certainty) against overwhelmingly mighty enemies, and the story doesn’t revel in his power - it’s not shamelessly built around giving him opportunities to demonstrate his overwhelming strength while the rest of the cast fawns over him. He doesn’t drain the tension from the story just by existing. Again, he feels like a regular post-LOTR fantasy protagonist, not a living god who warps the world around him with his every action.
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Sep 7, 2018 01:40
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:I would give partial credit to Shield Hero just for him at least starting out in a real lovely situation with some serious limitations. But of course it had to normalize slavery and he of course has to have the requisite girl with funny ears--usually a catgirl--of that whole genre. The "starting out weak/in a bad situation" is actually a super common thing in isekai. They often have a short period near the beginning where they're weak, before inevitably becoming super powerful for one reason or another.
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Sep 7, 2018 02:35
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Also catgirls rule.
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Sep 7, 2018 02:39
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Ytlaya posted:The "starting out weak/in a bad situation" is actually a super common thing in isekai. They often have a short period near the beginning where they're weak, before inevitably becoming super powerful for one reason or another. Sharkopath posted:Also catgirls rule. Okay I won't knock it, but in the isekai genre: 1. There's slavery 2. The slaves usually have different ears 3. Of the lot with different ears, they're usually catgirls 4. The characters mostly just accept that this is how thing works 5. They'll go get them one and there may or may not be sex, but drat if that catgirl doesn't try I know where you're going but if you want to see zero credit than we can talk about the one where the guy's cheat basically comes down to seeing floating status screens and nothing else. Then it devolves into saving up money just to buy a catgirl and gently caress her. Now that's personal development and struggle! Hell, I tried to link it here but I accidentally stumbled on a different one where the main character's power is just seeing status screens.
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Sep 7, 2018 04:14
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:There is a difference though between "just figuring out what the cheat skill is" versus "having to actually struggle and develop a little bit." Yeah, but in Shield Hero his shield was totally a cheat skill, and he had to figure out how it worked/get through the very early stages where it's briefly somewhat weak.
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Sep 7, 2018 05:17
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Sword dad manga is entirely unapologetic and unsympathetic about slavery
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Sep 7, 2018 08:43
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Please stop talking about shield hero, a very bad manga
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Sep 7, 2018 08:44
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Captain Invictus posted:Sword dad manga is entirely unapologetic and unsympathetic about slavery
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Sep 8, 2018 03:46
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I've started seeing the RPG screen trope leak into non isekai stuff and it's really getting on my nerves.
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Sep 8, 2018 04:01
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Ibram Gaunt posted:I've started seeing the RPG screen trope leak into non isekai stuff and it's really getting on my nerves. Like what?
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Sep 8, 2018 04:14
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so, elephant in the living room, why is slavery so goddamn popular in japan  like what in the name of gently caress makes that such a common thing in the isekai genre, without people being horrified by it?
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Sep 8, 2018 04:48
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i mean it feeds into a power dynamic that puts the lead character, often a self-insert, on top in addition to being a fetish all on its own. hardly unique to japan. and you can just as easily see these same titles that are coming from japan find a ready audience in western fandom, too.
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Sep 8, 2018 04:51
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Mraagvpeine posted:Like what? That skeleton dungeon manwha is the only one off the top of my head (dropped it a while ago) unless there was an isekai twist later it was just fantasy from what I saw so the Skeleton being able to see MMORPG stat screens and poo poo was really baffling. I sometimes would thumb through the popular in the last 6 hours section of mangadex when I was bored and I saw a few more forgettable fantasy series that were non isekai that did it too.
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Sep 8, 2018 04:52
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I kinda like Black Company because the only skill the main character has is being a sleazy con man and he almost always ends up worse off than before. There's slavery but in this case he's a debt slave because of his own scams backfiring. The one with the guy that summons a baby orc is also funny and not creepy at least in the first chapters, which is surprising given the setting. nerdz fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Sep 8, 2018 |
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Sep 8, 2018 05:00
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Mraagvpeine posted:Like what? 
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Sep 8, 2018 05:10
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Of course my defense goes up when I put on more clothes it's why I wear like 12 shirts of increasing thickness.
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Sep 8, 2018 05:28
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Relin posted:its really bad because its one of those *dress everything with rpg menus and tropes* kind of isekai Nah, it's fine.
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Sep 8, 2018 05:55
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This is my isekai of choice tbh 
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Sep 8, 2018 06:22
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:so, elephant in the living room, why is slavery so goddamn popular in japan I always just thought the insane derivativeness in the webnovel/lightnovel genre just causes random fetishes to get added to the formula as they copy each other.
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Sep 8, 2018 06:41
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It's absolutely not that, there is or was way too much accurate dressing up as nazis as cosplay for a long time, I'm not sure if anything has ever been done to squash that but I wager not
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Sep 8, 2018 06:51
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:so, elephant in the living room, why is slavery so goddamn popular in japan Slavery is legal in Japan, it's called working at a Japanese corporation  
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Wheres the drat Dorohedoro final chapter.
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