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Carlosologist
Oct 13, 2013

Revelry in the Dark

I’m replaying Dual Destinies, and I can sort of live with the handholding (boy is there a lot in the first two cases) but the biggest crime is that I can’t examine Charley

thankfully AA6 fixed this

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busysignal
Nov 28, 2013
Dual Destinies is the worst game in my opinion and part of it is due to Charley being unexaminable. They make up for it in the next game though.

Kaiser Mazoku
Mar 24, 2011

Didn't you see it!? Couldn't you see my "spirit"!?
DD is worth it just for the DLC case, much like the first Investigations is worth it just for the flashback case.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
I just started playing DD and woah, Turnabout Academy is really bad.

I'm not even talking about the anime friendship stuff, it's just a mess of a case.

HenryEx
Mar 25, 2009

...your cybernetic implants, the only beauty in that meat you call "a body"...
Grimey Drawer
It's only half as much of a mess as the previous case with the nine tails was. Now, that case does not make any sense whatsoever from start to finish. And while i kinda liked the talisman girl from that case, i like mah hottest boye Robin way more, even archery dude isn't half bad in the end, and the breakdown in that case is amazing and exactly what was deserved.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

I like the fact that when you first see the culprit, you're like "Oh, they totally did it," but then the case kinda introduces enough wrinkles along the way to make you doubt that initial thought. Kinda something I missed from SoJ and its smaller case casts.

Amppelix
Aug 6, 2010

Turnabout academy is almost the best case from DD, because it's from Athena's perspective and she has the best inner monologue.

DLC is too good not to be best though.

GUI
Nov 5, 2005

Athena's case from DD was the highlight of the game for me followed by Case 2 with Apollo, unfortunately the POV switches back to Phoenix afterwards and it goes back to being a pretty typical AA game.

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!
sometimes i feel like i'm the only person who still likes phoenix wright, and doesn't like apollo or athena at all

Meallan
Feb 3, 2017
Not liking Athena is bad and wrong. :colbert:

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

The White Dragon posted:

sometimes i feel like i'm the only person who still likes phoenix wright, and doesn't like apollo or athena at all

All three are good.

U-DO Burger
Nov 12, 2007




The White Dragon posted:

sometimes i feel like i'm the only person who still likes phoenix wright, and doesn't like apollo or athena at all

good

Plom Bar
Jun 5, 2004

hardest time i ever done :(

chumbler posted:

All three are good.

Correct but also Athena solo game when

MagusDraco
Nov 11, 2011

even speedwagon was trolled

Plom Bar posted:

Correct but also Athena solo game when

Hopefully next game/most of next game.

Meallan
Feb 3, 2017
They should at least take Nick out of the main case games, his arc is already played out. A game where you switch between Athena and Apollo would be great (Athena's power is the best tho).

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN

It’s pretty cool how different they made each character in a VN, personality-wise. Though Athena absolutely deserves her own game, preferably with Blackquill as her grizzled, more experienced partner.

U-DO Burger
Nov 12, 2007




Meallan posted:

They should at least take Nick out of the main case games, his arc is already played out. A game where you switch between Athena and Apollo would be great (Athena's power is the best tho).

the beginning of the next game will have nick die and athena needs to solve 100 cases to bring him back to life

e: oh and i guess maya is kidnapped the whole time to avoid nick pulling the spirit mentor schtick

big deal
Sep 10, 2017

The ends justify the means - especially for me, Prof. Aristotle Means!

Meallan
Feb 3, 2017

U-DO Burger posted:

the beginning of the next game will have nick die and athena needs to solve 100 cases to bring him back to life

e: oh and i guess maya is kidnapped the whole time to avoid nick pulling the spirit mentor schtick

Only if Apollo gets accused of his murder.

Meallan
Feb 3, 2017

ROFL Octopus posted:

It’s pretty cool how different they made each character in a VN, personality-wise. Though Athena absolutely deserves her own game, preferably with Blackquill as her grizzled, more experienced partner.

Yes I also thought how it's really cool they can make a first person narrated game where the main character is always fulfilling a similar role (straight man, only sane man, audience surrogate) and still manage to make all the protagonists sound pretty different, with each having their own distinct personality.

Carlosologist
Oct 13, 2013

Revelry in the Dark

imo they should just save Phoenix for DLC cases and I guess the tutorial

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

More than anything, I just want Athena to drive a plot of her own. She kinda had some in Dual Destinies, but she shared that with Apollo.

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender

Carlosologist posted:

imo they should just save Phoenix for DLC cases and I guess the tutorial
:yeah:

Phoenix is fine, but he doesn't need to be shoehorned into every other protagonists' plot. That just makes the game an unfocused mess. AA4 had it worst but you can see shades of it in the later games too.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN

Haifisch posted:

:yeah:

Phoenix is fine, but he doesn't need to be shoehorned into every other protagonists' plot. That just makes the game an unfocused mess. AA4 had it worst but you can see shades of it in the later games too.

Imo (SoJ spoilers) Phoenix was drat cool to face as an opponent in case 5, even if the reason you faced off against him was predictable and ridiculously overdone

Carlosologist
Oct 13, 2013

Revelry in the Dark

only thing is I have no idea what they're gonna do to make Athena's arc happen though. she didn't really change much from AA5 to AA6 since she was only in two cases so the book is wide open on what to do

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

I mean, they conjured up that Apollo grew up in another country for SoJ, so y'know. Just make up somethin' else for her.

Momomo
Dec 26, 2009

Dont judge me, I design your manhole
We also have yet to see how she and Phoenix met, he even alluded to some sort of event happening then.

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

There's always digging up Athena's unmentioned father like SoJ did for Apollo.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Momomo posted:

We also have yet to see how she and Phoenix met, he even alluded to some sort of event happening then.

I could see that being a cool basis for a flashback case.

Folt The Bolt
Feb 21, 2012

Nothing exciting to see here. Move along.

ROFL Octopus posted:

Imo (SoJ spoilers) Phoenix was drat cool to face as an opponent in case 5, even if the reason you faced off against him was predictable and ridiculously overdone

I loved that. It was great. Also liked that Phoenix pretty much didn't get the main protagonist role back after that, the entire second half of Chapter 5 turning him into the assistant.

Meallan
Feb 3, 2017
Yeah having Nick on the DLC case is exactly what I meant by saying he should just be out of the main game cases. The dlc are usually one shot and outside of the story arc of the game, just bring him and either edgeworth or franziska with him for that nostalgia.

About Athena: they gave Apollo a story arc two games after his first appearance so they are not shy of bringing up critical stuff and the n go "they just never mentioned this before".

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon
My favorite part of either Athena case was definitely the sidekick. She can have all the screentime in the world if it means we get to see Apollo being a total bro or Blackquill being a superior weeb alongside her.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN

Folt The Bolt posted:

I loved that. It was great. Also liked that Phoenix pretty much didn't get the main protagonist role back after that, the entire second half of Chapter 5 turning him into the assistant.

Imo the US naming scheme for the games paid off here. I think everyone was expecting to switch back to Phoenix for the latter half of case 5, so Apollo taking center stage for the entire case is quite the shock

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon
"Psyche! Apollo is the main character, for real this time!" is definitely one of my favorite AA plot twists of all time.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

ROFL Octopus posted:

Imo (SoJ spoilers) Phoenix was drat cool to face as an opponent in case 5, even if the reason you faced off against him was predictable and ridiculously overdone

I was disappointed that there wasn't a genuine conflict of ownership of an artifact, given the Fey clan clearly has connections to Ku'rain.

Meallan
Feb 3, 2017
I just want to say I love ace attorney so much; and that being this long without one has already sent me on a replaying spiral.

Silver Falcon
Dec 5, 2005

Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight and barbecue your own drumsticks!

Yeah, for real. I love this series. I'm glad folks here always talk it up so much because otherwise I wouldn't have snapped up the original Trilogy when it came out for 3DS. So glad I did! The games are an absolute joy.

I've been trying to convince my husband to play them. He... kind of knows a lot of the plot twists because I talked to him about them as I was playing, but it's been long enough he's probably forgotten most of them. Plus he had no context. I just wonder what he'd make of them. We have very different tastes in games, most times.

Lotus Aura
Aug 16, 2009

KNEEL BEFORE THE WICKED KING!

Meallan posted:

I just want to say I love ace attorney so much; and that being this long without one has already sent me on a replaying spiral.

You and me both. I've limited myself to 1 case a day, max, though so I don't burn through 'em too fast. :v:

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

We already know one's being worked on, just announce it

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
I'd actually like to see a revisit of the civil trial idea (even though it doesn't make a LOT of sense given the Wright Anything Agency clearly specialises in criminal law and in murder in particular, it did make sense in that particular case given they're the only lawyers anyone knows and know each others' tactics) with some actual stakes to it, or at least both sides giving their all until the very end.

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