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EwokEntourage posted:In Texas you can get sworn in in front of a notary They shouldn't be charging based on the total weight on the plant. They should be excluding {sterilized} seeds and stems. Texas Health and Safety Code 481.002 posted:(26) "Marihuana" means the plant Cannabis sativa L., whether growing or not, the seeds of that plant, and every compound, manufacture, salt, derivative, mixture, or preparation of that plant or its seeds.
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Vox Nihili posted:All true. Of course, most of us here are guilty of worse, save for a handful of the public servants and the non-profit saints. please i just redistribute money between large hedge funds depending on which one was smart enough to hire me, its basically victimless no matter who wins
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GamingHyena posted:They shouldn't be charging based on the total weight on the plant. They should be excluding {sterilized} seeds and stems. Maybe under the statute, but do you trust the police and does it matter how they weighed it if you plea out to something lower because they said you had 50 pounds and are facing 2-20? I do stand corrected though, I just looked at norml.org instead of digging up the statute
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Alexeythegreat posted:Having something resembling money would be nice  Word coming down that the planned organization wide raises are probably dead on arrival. Whoops.
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EwokEntourage posted:Maybe under the statute, but do you trust the police and does it matter how they weighed it if you plea out to something lower because they said you had 50 pounds and are facing 2-20? Felony amounts of weed are almost always sent off to a DPS crime lab for testing/weighing. Roadside weights will always include the weight of the container so it's pretty necessary. If it's even close to a cutoff amount then I will absolutely inspect it and if necessary file a motion to have that properly reweighed.
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Oh I just got a raise and promotion. Maybe I should stop caring about the child slaves who made my phone and just live my life.
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Oh I just got a raise and promotion. Maybe I should stop caring about the child slaves who made my phone and just live my life. Hot Dog Day, I think the answer to your moral dilemma lies... ...on the blockchain
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Obviously I don't actually do that. When it does occur that a person's home is needed for a highway project (I don't deal with specious things like stadiums or urban renewal), they are compensated the value of their lost property and usually receive relocation payments. And then, if they show up and cry they almost always get an extra 10-20k from the tribunal. Eminent domain buyouts for Highways? You monster! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rseaKBPkRPU BigHead posted:I had a whole long Also reading about SB 91 shows a lot of heat and not much light. Any good sources you'd recommend? I found some good articles but it is annoying that all the links to articles with promising sounding titles in the Juneau Empire are dead and site search returns 2 articles on SB91. It seems to be a really interesting legislative effort especially in light of the general push for justice reform across the US. One recurring theme in the coverage seems to be the Police not even starting investigations properly which should be tied to resourcing and what policing priorities were set rather than something driven by bail and sentencing reforms. Additional option could be issues with Police moral following that legislation passing. An unfortunate pre-existing rise then spike after the bills passage in the crime rate in Anchorage doesn't seem to have helped. [edit] Most of the stuff I read was from the Anchorage Daily News.
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typed out but I'm just going to recommend you Google "SB91 Alaska." You can learn about the utter disaster of removing all punishment for all crimes lower than home invasion burg has been for us.|
Yeah I can't match the reporting with the content of the bill. It's very weird, there's a whole causal slice I'm missing, unless I"m misinterpreting the criminal cost limit sections and those acts are now functionally legal.
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Ok, so sometimes jury determined sentencing is good: https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article217846600.html#storylink=latest_side quote:A Virginia man convicted of punching the organizer of last summer's white nationalist rally after he attempted to hold a news conference has been fined $1
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quote:State Farm agreed Tuesday to pay $250 million to settle a suit alleging it secretly worked to help elect an Illinois high court justice in order to overturn a billion-dollar judgment against it. Damnit!!! Too bad we don't get to have the chief justice on the stand mastershakeman fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Sep 6, 2018 |
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evilweasel posted:please i just redistribute money between large hedge funds depending on which one was smart enough to hire me, its basically victimless no matter who wins
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:The criminal justice system and incarceration are immoral. Being a bureaucratic cog that helps send people to prison is also immoral. Especially when it comes to drug crimes. What's unclear? Cool what should I do with the guy I’m prosecuting right now who stabbed an elderly woman to death with a knife?
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uberkeyzer posted:Cool what should I do with the guy I’m prosecuting right now who stabbed an elderly woman to death with a knife? her family's gonna be kinda upset when he's released since they dont get to see grandma anymore. also his family is also probably going to be kinda upset since they don't want him living in their house after he stabbed an old lady to death. do you have any space on your couch?
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uberkeyzer posted:Cool what should I do with the guy I’m prosecuting right now who stabbed an elderly woman to death with a knife? Ignore HDD for a few days he's having a mental breakdown.
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uberkeyzer posted:Cool what should I do with the guy I’m prosecuting right now who stabbed an elderly woman to death with a knife? I don't know what to do with him. But the present system is still immoral. I can criticize it without having all the answers.
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But what about my whataboutism
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:I don't know what to do with him. But the present system is still immoral. I can criticize it without having all the answers. Since you have no answers and don't have a better approach i'm going to keep thinking it's ok for me to prosecute and incarcerate murderers since it's better than just letting people settle blood feuds in the streets, hopefully that's not too immoral.
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uberkeyzer posted:Cool what should I do with the guy I’m prosecuting right now who stabbed an elderly woman to death with a knife? If you steal or murder, rather than receiving a bounty, you may be targeted by Hired Thugs sent by the victim of the theft or a relative of the deceased. Even if you were not seen, or there were no witnesses, you may still be targeted. They can be a tough fight at low levels, but there is no penalty for killing them. One will carry a note saying who paid them, but this note will have no effect on your future relations with that NPC - you won't even be able to confront them about it; it will be as if the whole thing never happened.
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:The criminal justice system and incarceration are immoral. Being a bureaucratic cog that helps send people to prison is also immoral. Especially when it comes to drug crimes. What's unclear? Look, I get it. But I'm on my third month and if I get the tap on the shoulder to go forward I'm not really in a position to just up and dismiss charges when there's a factual basis to go forward and it is indeed against the law. For what it's worth I'm not even going to make a sentencing recommendation, because I know full well a weed charge is bullshit. This is still Iowa. For what it's worth, my county is usually pretty good on looking the other way at the enforcement level, but I guess my defendant had bad luck with the deputy. I'm using it as a learning experience. Like I said, all future charges I'm going to reach out to defendants early on, try and get them to do a drug eval or take a clean piss test so I have something to point to when I dismiss at a pre-trial conference rather than get to a trial in the first place. I don't feel good in this particular instance. But. In two months I'm trying a dude who held up a Walgreens at gunpoint so he could get money to buy illicit prescription drugs. I have sympathy for drug addicts. I don't have sympathy for a dipshit who likes designer drugs whose go-to is pulling a gun to steal about $200 bucks and a snickers bar in order to afford said drugs. I'd also rather serve the government than capital.
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More than one thing can be true at once, so for example incarcerating murderers can be good and the penal system as a whole can be not so good, and whatever you think of drug prosecutions, it’s absolutely true that those cases are far more common than murders so we can’t ignore that they are part of the system. Prosecutors also can’t pretend that they have no discretion when they have maybe the most of anyone. There, I just solved criminal justice reform for the thread. yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 06:15 on Sep 6, 2018 |
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uberkeyzer posted:Cool what should I do with the guy I’m prosecuting right now who stabbed an elderly woman to death with a knife? Evict his mother to build a bypass. The plans have been available in the local planning office for the last 9 months.
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You’re in need of a major attitude adjustment, thread. You'd better get your priorities straight. And watch out with that other crowd you're runnin' with—don't think I haven't noticed. - KAVANAUGH, J., with whom THOMAS, J., concurs.
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Obviously I don't actually do that. When it does occur that a person's home is needed for a highway project (I don't deal with specious things like stadiums or urban renewal), they are compensated the value of their lost property and usually receive relocation payments. And then, if they show up and cry they almost always get an extra 10-20k from the tribunal. Well, you're not crazy. I agree with you flat out on a number of things. And yeah, I can even feel some of that dissonance clanging around my own little head. I am 100% on board with that the US and for that matter my own country and most of the world is in need of criminal system reform. As much as we all are now in a better place than medival times drawing and quartering, there are instances of the system ruining the lives of people we call criminal for very little actual good reason. Where you're wrong is where you assign individual responsibility for systemic fault. Yes, I know that's a cop out, yeah that's what they said at Nuremberg too, but what I'm talking about is the difference between the ideal and the real. In real terms, it is not morally bankrupt for a prosecutor to do his assigned duty in seeking criminal convictions per se on a general level. This action is a legitimized function of the social contract taking into account the real-world limitations of society. We will never live up to an ideal of the perfect result for every situation. Now obviously, this does not include individual misconduct, which is a personal moral issue. That aside, faulting prosecutors for essentially following (in a functioning democracy) the will of the people is not fair and equitable. You haven't taken into account that what one prosecutor won't do, the system will find a way to do, giving the individual prosecutor very little power in altering the average course of a criminal case (you do have a system of appeal after all). A prosecutor who follows a sincere belief in that they are seeking the right result inside of their own legal reference frame is no more morally or ethically wrong than myself doing everything short of perjury or malpractice to help a defendant towards a fair result. If we take it to the level that any action within a system is bad if the system itself has problems, this is so broad that we can apply it everywhere. Everywhere. Yours and my job included. This ceases to be meaningful in a real world setting. Naturally, you caught my above bullshit because you're a lawyer and you read things for a living. Yes, I know that the US system is a plea bargain system and not a criminal trial system, which really does mean that the individual prosecutor has a disproportionate effect on the outcome of 95% of cases. Even there there isn't much leeway, but sure whatever. That part I'm more wrong about. Like I said, you need systemic reform probably with the removal of plea bargains first and foremost. But take it from me, the other systems no matter how high quality and socialist and reformist do still not pass your moral sniff test. If it comes down to individuals, I'm not willing to believe that prosecutors are any less interested in justice and a correct result than I am as a general rule. We can't not criminally convict people. We know what that looks like, and Somalia isn't where I want to live. In my personal, biased, anecdatal and thus worthless experience I have yet to come across any prosecutor not interested in actual justice as far as the system allows, leniency included. I can't think of a definition broad enough that includes prosecutors in general as immoral individuals without also including myself and pretty much everyone I know. That said, my reality is probably different from yours, we do live in very different countries. And yeah, I think I wouldn't mind so much living as an ascetic devoted to helping others if that wouldn't make me a destitute loser and make my family shun me and my girlfriend leave me. Sucks about the real world and all.
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Pook Good Mook posted:Look, I get it. But I'm on my third month and if I get the tap on the shoulder to go forward I'm not really in a position to just up and dismiss charges when there's a factual basis to go forward and it is indeed against the law. For what it's worth I'm not even going to make a sentencing recommendation, because I know full well a weed charge is bullshit. This is still Iowa. For what it's worth, my county is usually pretty good on looking the other way at the enforcement level, but I guess my defendant had bad luck with the deputy. This is why youre a hard case pook. You did the other side. You know this. I generally like your posts etc. You have a conscience. You engage. Do what you can to fix it from within I guess.
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counterpoint: people should not do crimes and stuff. Someone please link the best DND thread for me to take my impenetrable argument to.
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blarzgh posted:counterpoint: people should not do crimes and stuff. Someone please link the best DND thread for me to take my impenetrable argument to. This is a top-tier post/avatar combo. Hot Dog Day #91 posted:This is why youre a hard case pook. You did the other side. You know this. I generally like your posts etc. You have a conscience. You engage. Do what you can to fix it from within I guess. Thanks for this. It's been an uncomfortable week. In lighter news I did win a trial against a domestic abuser known for calling his 911-calling neighbor a ni**er. Pook Good Mook fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Sep 6, 2018 |
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Yeah no a lot of crimes are also immoral. Like, don't do them? Like I said, I don't know what you do with the rapists and murderers and violent people. I guess ideally we'd have tons of money spent on rehab? And tons spent to prevent thepoor material conditions that cause some of the crime. But like, some people are loving evil and they have to be dealt with. I don't have a solution but my brain is dying so shrug.
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A. I like you more and more, fish. Let’s be friends. B. Pook, you’ve got the right attitude. Try to get into a more high crime area. You will find their priorities will line up more with yours. And if you want to ping me via pm to talk about programs etc feel free. Can link you up with one of our judicial social workers if you want. I’m a big fan of the AR/Div process. If we can keep someone OUT of the system, why not? C. Some prosecutors will always be shitheads on power trips. Our new judge spent an hour complaining to my opposing counsel and I about his last assignment and thanking us for not being assholes. D. Eh. Plea bargains aren’t a bad thing when done right. “I’m going to charge everything from murder one to littering to force a deal” = bad. “I’m going to give you a reasonable offer because it spares the victims pain of testifying and you are willing to admit guilt” = not bad. Maybe I just practice in fairy land (I’m starting to think so) but our offers are usually pretty reasonable. My current trial not so much. We only made an offer to establish on the record he rejected an offer with opportunity to discuss w counsel Bc this case WILL end up in habeas. We’re in hardcore “protect the record and make clear his lawyer was competent. He’s just a shithead” mode. Offer was 50 years. Judge agreed under the facts it was generous.
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Yeah no a lot of crimes are also immoral. Like, don't do them? Like I said, I don't know what you do with the rapists and murderers and violent people. I guess ideally we'd have tons of money spent on rehab? And tons spent to prevent thepoor material conditions that cause some of the crime. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...man-rights.html
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:And tons spent to prevent the poor material conditions that causesome of the crime. Since your brain is dying, wrestle with this: change the word "cause" to "contribute to" and ask yourself what degree of agency any one individual has, and whether we can ever measure that degree of agency sufficiently to segregate people who harm others because "they choose to" vs. the ones who do so because "their circumstances made them." And then ask if we could measure and segregate those people accordingly, whether we should.
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My mother and both of her parents used to be lawyers in the USSR. Not Alexey's version where cops randomly plant drugs to meet an arrest quota, but the one where the KGB would torture people into confessions to meet a death quota. Believe it or not, even that system was partly functional (unless you were a prosecutor; those people probably all drank themselves to death but gently caress 'em) as even glorious communism still had any number of drunk shoplifters, drunk wife beaters, drunk low level embezzlers...you get the idea. Somebody had to go out there and do the paperwork and somebody else had to make sure the occasional first / less drunk offender didn't die in a gulag. You do the best you can within the system you live in. Being a hero is universally terrible for the hero and doesn't change anything unless that person is also charismatic and stubborn enough to be a martyr. Or run for Congress as a socialist I guess. Personally, I like money and my family and am nice to people IRL. e: for anyone who likes going down Wikipedia rabbit holes, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thief_in_law Adar fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Sep 6, 2018 |
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evilweasel posted:please i just redistribute money between large hedge funds depending on which one was smart enough to hire me, its basically victimless no matter who wins Same but between large oil & gas companies and large banks, so basically the two most hated groups in America.
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blarzgh posted:Since your brain is dying, wrestle with this: change the word "cause" to "contribute to" and ask yourself what degree of agency any one individual has, and whether we can ever measure that degree of agency sufficiently to segregate people who harm others because "they choose to" vs. the ones who do so because "their circumstances made them." And then ask if we could measure and segregate those people accordingly, whether we should. Yeah I'm not saying I've got the answers. Everything contributes to everything else. There's no vacuum. The world is a gently caress and Im ready to go.
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Yeah I'm not saying I've got the answers. Everything contributes to everything else. There's no vacuum. The world is a gently caress and Im ready to go. Ok, now think about this: The gravitational force between two objects is their size over their distance from one another. That means that the gravitational force between two objects, anywhere in space, will never reach zero - although the figure might be millions of decimal places from 1.0, it will never be absolutely 0. So, you, right now, are gently pulling on every star and every planet in the whole universe. We're all interconnected man
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But even my death won't change that buddy. My mass goes on.
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ActusRhesus posted:A. I like you more and more, fish. Let’s be friends. Oh I give you one little blowjob and suddenly I'm alright? Fine, if that's what it takes we'll be friends I guess. So long as you don't trash talk the middle country, we're cool. blarzgh posted:Ok, now think about this: That's some carl sagan poo poo. I guess this means that my whiskey is also interconnected with the whole universe, and once I drink it I'll by definition be doubly interconnected. That's a trip, lawyer dawg Hot Dog Day #91 posted:But even my death won't change that buddy. My mass goes on. That's heavy. If I can give you just one advice, consider the life of the blue-footed booby.
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Nice piece of fish posted:That's some carl sagan poo poo. I guess this means that my whiskey is also interconnected with the whole universe, and once I drink it I'll by definition be doubly interconnected. That's a trip, lawyer dawg Almost every atom of carbon and oxygen in your body was formed in the death cycle of stars that went supernova. We are literally made out of star stuff.
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