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I'd advise maybe boning up on the clean energy tech and infrastructure going on in TX? It has sufficient overlap with the areas of your work that you might be able to identify areas where you can do good.
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All energy is haram in my new post-thought brain
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Sep 6, 2018 17:10
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I love it when HDD drunkposts.
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Sep 6, 2018 17:20
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Nice piece of fish posted:I love it when HDD posts.
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Sep 6, 2018 17:21
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That too.
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Sep 6, 2018 17:22
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Well. Done for the day. Counsel didn’t realize she couldn’t just tell the court what was said at trial and would have to actually introduce the transcripts themselves. Which she didn’t have. I’d feel bad for the petitioner having such a moron as counsel. But he murdered a five year old. So.... no mercy.
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Sep 6, 2018 18:26
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ActusRhesus posted:Well. Done for the day. does he really deserve the US penal system though?????!?
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Sep 6, 2018 18:31
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Shut up carl That's Dr. Sagan to you, youngster.
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Sep 6, 2018 18:38
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Nice piece of fish posted:I love it when HDD drunkposts. I'm 18months sober lol
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Sep 6, 2018 18:43
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ActusRhesus posted:Counsel didn’t realize she couldn’t just tell the court what was said at trial and would have to actually introduce the transcripts W. no, no a murder/suicide joke would be in very poor taste here. Thoughts and prayrs to the family
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Sep 6, 2018 18:52
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:I'm 18months sober lol Are you though? Or are you just high on abstinence? Makes you think Adar posted:does he really deserve the US penal system though?????!? You know, on the one hand I'm all about reform and second chances, but on the other hand if there is a crime that should lead to life in prison child murder is probably it. Guess that makes me a moral monster.
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Sep 6, 2018 19:47
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Let’s talk about the death penalty. I think under very strict circumstances, certain offenders can morally be executed by the state.
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Sep 6, 2018 19:52
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Let’s talk about the death penalty. I think under very strict circumstances, certain offenders can morally be executed by the state. In the philosophical abstract, yes. As a practical/reality matter, absolutely not.
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Sep 6, 2018 19:56
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For example I think that a secret military tribunal without oversight can order the killing of a person suspected of terrorism as long as the killing is done by bad rear end navy seals with cool guns.
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Sep 6, 2018 19:57
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Fully plan to argue as follows: “The fact the petitioner’s counsel managed to convince a jury NOT to to execute this motherfucker proves just how truly effective he was.”
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Sep 6, 2018 20:00
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Also if my goat is stolen, and I later find it at someone’s house and that person can’t produce a witness to say they bought the goat from a merchant, then they should be put to death.
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Sep 6, 2018 20:02
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I am imperfect. I hate the death penalty and war and cops etc etc. But some people are loving bad and have no reason to remain on earth.
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Sep 6, 2018 20:05
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Also if my goat is stolen, and I later find it at someone’s house and that person can’t produce a witness to say they bought the goat from a merchant, then they should be put to death. Just replace the goat with a goat buck in rut, and let the goat do the killing. Bonus: the corpses will stink forever.
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Sep 6, 2018 20:20
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There are people who deserve death, but the state shouldn't be doing it.
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Sep 6, 2018 20:20
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nm posted:There are people who deserve death, but the state shouldn't be doing it. I agree. Let the mob handle justice.
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Sep 6, 2018 20:25
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nm posted:There are people who deserve death, but the state shouldn't be doing it. That’s why we have people like Erik Prince
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Mr. Nice! posted:I agree. Let the mob handle justice.  Death penalty is certainly a slippery slope but a) a lifetime in jail may well be worse than just ending it all and b) people like Dahmer violated social standards to such a degree you can't realistically rehabilitate them and due to the number and type of offenses I'm ok with saying that person can be executed But then again I think Larry Nasser should be executed so I'm a bit more bloodthirsty than most.
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as long as the state can prove (not "beyond a reasonable doubt", flat out prove, complete with unimpeachable video and also the guy doing a tap dance on the victims' grave{s}) the crimes, sure, why not, not like a Dahmer or a Bin Laden really need to be on the planet any longer than necessary this excludes the death penalty as practiced on the vast majority of the planet, though
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Sep 6, 2018 20:54
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Phil Moscowitz posted:For example I think that a secret military tribunal without oversight can order the killing of a person suspected of terrorism as long as the killing is done by bad rear end navy seals with cool guns. Hmm. I like where you're headed with this but I'm concerned that the human element of the cool-rear end navy seals might introduce too many errors into this otherwise perfect system. What are your thoughts vis-a-vis having the executions carried out instead by terrifying, unfeeling flying death robots
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Sep 6, 2018 21:03
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For things like this, my position is the State doesn’t have to guarantee your safety to a greater degree than the average prisoner. If you’re going to do crimes, you should be prepared to defend yourself.
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Sep 6, 2018 21:06
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Adar posted:as long as the state can prove (not "beyond a reasonable doubt", flat out prove, complete with unimpeachable video and also the guy doing a tap dance on the victims' grave{s}) the crimes, sure, why not, not like a Dahmer or a Bin Laden really need to be on the planet any longer than necessary Videos can today be forged with perfect accuracy, as can pictures, audio and any evidence you can think of more cheaply and more easily than ever before in human history. There is no defence for the death penalty and it serves no legitimate or reasonable purpose that life imprisonment does not also accomplish. nm posted:There are people who deserve death, but the state shouldn't be doing it. For instance enemy combatants, active terrorists, ninja assassins that can't be captured? Sure, though that's more in the area of intelligence/counter-intelligence work and warfare. Actively hostile motherfuckers like that, criminal or not, operate in a shadow territory of lawlessness where the rules of polite society don't really exist. I mean, they do. We have rules of warfare and human rights and whatnot. But there is an entirely practical pragmatic side to warfare mostly completely hidden to the public where in practice no law applies, and I'm not sure for reasons of combat effectiveness and general effectiveness they should. Yes, I realize I'm basically devil's advocating Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men. But this is at a level where I wouldn't expect laws to have a place or matter. There's no point in legislating the behaviour of hippopotamuses either, they are pretty much going to ignore you and go about their business and if you arrest one it's probably going to be pointless, frustrating and totally ineffective from a criminally preventative standpoint.
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Look Sir Droids posted:For things like this, my position is the State doesn’t have to guarantee your safety to a greater degree than the average prisoner. If you’re going to do crimes, you should be prepared to defend yourself. I think that's a cop out. If you're willing to allow the punishment, do it yourself Dahmer's my favorite example because the guy who killed him claimed God told him to and my response is ..well..maybe ... Certainly isn't preposterous
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Sep 6, 2018 21:11
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nm posted:There are people who deserve death, but the state shouldn't be doing it. Nice piece of fish posted:Videos can today be forged with perfect accuracy, as can pictures, audio and any evidence you can think of more cheaply and more easily than ever before in human history. I'm fairly certain that this little debacle is caused by little more than an imperfect choice of words
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Soothing Vapors posted:Hmm. I like where you're headed with this but I'm concerned that the human element of the cool-rear end navy seals might introduce too many errors into this otherwise perfect system. What are your thoughts vis-a-vis having the executions carried out instead by terrifying, unfeeling flying death robots You obviously aren’t familiar with the training navy seals have to do. I did the training (not officially but I kept track of all the laps and sit-ups and such and also had my friend Bobo scream in my face with a megaphone to simulate combat). They are ruthless killing machines that can raid some dictator’s palace without a trace, justifiably homicide him, and exfiltrate with extreme prejudice. Robots can get hacked. Navy seals? No way.
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Sep 6, 2018 21:26
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Phil Moscowitz posted:You obviously aren’t familiar with the training navy seals have to do. I did the training (not officially but I kept track of all the laps and sit-ups and such and also had my friend Bobo scream in my face with a megaphone to simulate combat). They are ruthless killing machines that can raid some dictator’s palace without a trace, justifiably homicide him, and exfiltrate with extreme prejudice. Robots can get hacked. Navy seals? No way. The naturopathic method is to have state-sponsored killing performed by actual seals.
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Seeing as I was a legal advisor to SEALs and wrote a war college paper on why the Obama administration’s drone policy was all manner of hosed up, I find this conversation good and interesting.
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Sep 6, 2018 21:33
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Let’s talk about the death penalty. I think under very strict circumstances, certain offenders can morally be executed by the state. Except maybe in the case of charismatic war criminals who could lead some sort of revolution from inside a supermax facility, the death penalty serves no purpose other than massaging our emotions at great expense.
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ActusRhesus posted:Seeing as I was a legal advisor to SEALs and wrote a war college paper on why the Obama administration’s drone policy was all manner of hosed up, I find this conversation good and interesting. Can you make all your forum friends honorary navy seals, thanks
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Oh, also, the guillotine would be more ethical than the current US system involving the administration of a faulty, paralytic chemical followed by the actual terrifying death chemical.
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Vox Nihili posted:Oh, also, the guillotine would be more ethical than the current US system involving the administration of a faulty, paralytic chemical followed by the actual terrifying death chemical. Yeah no question about that. Even firing squad would be better
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Sep 6, 2018 21:44
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mastershakeman posted:Can you make all your forum friends honorary navy seals, thanks Probably some sort of stolen valor issue there.
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Sep 6, 2018 21:47
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ActusRhesus posted:Probably some sort of stolen valor issue there. If the valor is voluntarily given it can’t be stolen. I learned that much in law school.
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Sep 6, 2018 21:52
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Vox Nihili posted:Except maybe in the case of charismatic war criminals who could lead some sort of revolution from inside a supermax facility, the death penalty serves no purpose other than massaging our emotions at great expense. I find it more like a cheap emotional rub and tug myself.
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Sep 6, 2018 21:55
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Let’s talk about the death penalty. I think under very strict circumstances, certain offenders can morally be executed by the state. Agreed. Eat the rich.
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Meatbag Esq. posted:Agreed. Eat the rich. I mean, yeah. Obviously.
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