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I think it's mostly people who feel they have very little control over their lives lashing out at a broken system. It's mostly fine on here, tho I think it's corny and goony, it's definitely weirder in the wild at a DSA working group meeting or something - and yes it does happen.
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in my experience it's edgy white dudes who went from Bernie supporters to defend his glorious majesty assad with my life from all would be assailants in the span of like 6 months to a year. most of them dot see socialism as a political project for achieving social change but an identity that gives them style points and a cool aesthetic. some of them I've seen already slip back into bog standard liberalism once the novelty wore off and I'd imagine the same will happen to a bunch more of them once they get out of college. basically don't let a bunch of fly by night socialists create a political culture that will alienate the movement from the broader working class
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im just a disillusioned poor kid who is 100% serious when I say persecute ICE and it's creators for crimes against humanity
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Sep 6, 2018 13:49
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i made a gulag joke once but the people i wanted to throw in the gulag were the bob avakian people after that nov. 4 "refuse fascism" thing
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how about we do a gulag but only put tankies in it
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:how about we do a gulag but only put tankies in it To run it i hope
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GalacticAcid posted:To run it i hope we could perhaps establish a rotation between roles inside the camp, yes?
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Kurnugia posted:we could perhaps establish a rotation between roles inside the camp, yes? a continuous cycle of punishment with equal opportunity is like a BDSM fantasy imagine a boot stomping on a human face but the face is also licking the boot forever
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The lesson here is "dont let the Girondans declare war on Austria"
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Karl Barks posted:So are they traitors or not? they are traitors the moment an actual revolutionary moment happens, historically speaking but for all intents they are cool and good now and for the foreseeable future https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkY88kvkdvU Top City Homo fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Sep 6, 2018 |
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Sep 6, 2018 15:33
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so are Marxist lenninists then since the French communist party abandoned the workers and students in France in 1968.
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this thread already did a big dumb argument about 1968 france, it's on this page if you want to revisit it
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Sep 6, 2018 16:19
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 that's a yikes from me, fam
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Sep 6, 2018 17:27
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lmao if you arent having as many children as you can and training them to be maoist guerrilla fighters
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But really that article is a whole bunch of dogshit, and it's super lovely to have children you can't afford and don't have the emotional maturity/reserves to nurture properly, especially when the social safety net and material security has never been more threadbare.
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agreed; castrate the poor
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Obviously there should be literally no steps taken to stop anyone from having children, but I'm not surprised at all that basically nobody I know in my age bracket/income circumstances has or wants kids, aside from one person.
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ShriekingMarxist posted:Obviously there should be literally no steps taken to stop anyone from having children, but I'm not surprised at all that basically nobody I know in my age bracket/income circumstances has or wants kids, aside from one person. i have a few friends with kids, and despite both parents having 1 or more jobs they are perpetually broke and stressed beyond belief
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I dunno, I'm super sensitive to the "just have the kids, it'll work out~!" bullshit people pander to be contrarian. I grew up dirt loving poor in a horrible midwestern hellhole and it loving sucked, and I'd never wish that on anyone. It's not like some loving Bon Jovi song where you scrape by on love and it all works out, no, you have ridiculously deep emotional traumas and insecurities, self-esteem issues, you're hosed up in ways you don't even know you're hosed up, and if you survive without a suite of maladptive coping mechanisms, congratulations, you're in the vast minority. I don't think the poor should self-abnegate and die out in a few generations, but pushing back on a logical cultural trend to avoid pregnancy, or wring your hands about people wanting kids and just not having them for "reasons" is bizarre. Yes it's ok to have kids if you're prepared to nurture them properly, secure their needs, and have means to provide. No it's not ok if you don't, but if you do anyway, we'll figure it the gently caress out, but just know that poo poo Is Going To Be hosed Up.
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ShriekingMarxist posted:But really that article is a whole bunch of dogshit, and it's super lovely to have children you can't afford and don't have the emotional maturity/reserves to nurture properly, especially when the social safety net and material security has never been more threadbare. lmao, glad you're here to be mad about an article you didnt read. quote:How can we ever win a program that socializes the costs of bringing children into the world if so many liberals still see the desire to have kids as something like a timeshare in Vegas — a costly, foolish, and tacky investment mostly for the rubes? Instead of parroting this gross and misanthropic politics, we should demand that capital stop shirking off the costs of childhood onto workers and instead socialize them — free Finnish baby boxes and a Medicare for All program that covers not only all prenatal and pediatric care, but that makes IVF a right and not a luxury. A program that hires and trains hundreds of thousands to work in high-quality state day cares. The only way we’re going to get any of this is through a revived labor movement — not creepy (and inevitably racist) “population control” thinkpieces. the point was that capitalism disincentivizes having kids, but liberals are defending that as Good and Actually Very Logical instead of fighting to remove the burdens of raising kids through strong social programs Slanderer fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Sep 6, 2018 |
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Liberals are correct that it's Good and Actually Very Logical to not have children if you can't support them, the reason they don't fight back against the system that makes it that way is because they're liberals and they belong to that system. My issue with the article is that it's part of a larger shift of contrarian pushback by cryptofash "anti-woke" folks like Ckilpatrick, Anna Khachiyan, etc on the sentiment that it's not very tenable to have children in the current material circumstances for a lot of people. If coming to the really lovely (and a lot of times devastating) conclusion that you can't reasonably have a child is prevailing sentiment in the "blue haired SJW" sect, they'll find some god awful way to poo poo on it. The article itself is a bunch of wank, the headline and tossing out terms like "anti-natalist" is the message, it's coming from people who are privileged enough to want to be able to start families and have the means to do so but don't want to feel put off by their peers who can't and are vocal about it, and I'm not cutting the author any slack because he's a proven piece of poo poo.
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I think this is the first mention I’ve seen of connor kilpatrick in 2018 lol
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yeah, he became a ghost after he got outed for trying to "gently caress YEAH!" that really awful misogynist/transphobic essay on the dumb bird website.
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ShriekingMarxist posted:My issue with the article is that it's part of a larger shift of contrarian pushback by cryptofash "anti-woke" folks lol ShriekingMarxist posted:the dumb bird website. i only hear the Mastodon weirdos saying this. so are you one of the guys banned for DMing your rear end in a top hat to girls as an act of radical body positivity, or are you a furry?
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i don't know what mastodon is but i have called it the bird website
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i believe you actually said "that website is for the birds, man" while smoking a lucky strike on top of the water tower
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GalacticAcid posted:i don't know what mastodon is but i have called it the bird website what's your fursona?
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Slanderer posted:i only hear the Mastodon weirdos saying this. so are you one of the guys banned for DMing your rear end in a top hat to girls as an act of radical body positivity, or are you a furry? wow project much? also "bird website" is what all the cool people on twitter call it, sry yer some nobody 
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Kurnugia posted:what's your fursona? Grover Fur
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apropos to nothing posted:you shouldnt just label everyone you disagree with as traitors, maybe you should work to convince them of your ideas plz don't label me as a fascist i'm just here to talk about national socialism?
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https://twitter.com/stevesalaita/status/1037709225886142465
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Nvm not worth it, hope you saw it tho
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apropos to nothing posted:and any future revolutionary moment is also going to be attacked by reactionary forces. if we want to avoid mistakes like those made in the past then we have to be able to tolerate dissent and differences now if we want to make sure people dont turn on each other during more critical moments. im not talking about some kind of unprincipled left unity, im talking about working together in good faith and not fostering a culture that pre-emptively justifies hurting other leftists and frames executing other leftists who you disagree with as some matter-of-fact future series of events, or even as an "ironic" joke It's impossible to prefigure the revolution, and you're going to end up repeating the same mistakes of the past because like past revolutionaries we will be operating on bad information. Perhaps our available intel in the hypermodern information age will be better, but mistakes will be made - because in the revolutionary moment you'll be engaged in revolutionary war against all the reactionary forces. That's a fact of the matter whether you like it or not, and telling people to shut up about it only makes it seem like you're being disingenuous about your own motivations and intentions. The Great Terror wasn't just a top down cleansing of Soviet society, it was a popular mass movement which everyone participated in down to the neighborhood council. If you're not willing to accept that something like this could happen, then you're not genuinely committed to a revolutionary action. You're going to wait and wait and wait for a moment of perfect consensus where the whole world willingly joins the global socialist project until capitalism overheats the Earth and kills us all. The threat of a momentary terror is nothing compared to the 9 million people starved to death by global capitalism every year, or the existential threat of the capitalist mode to human civilization itself. So yeah, people are going to joke about liberals getting the bullet or socdems being the left wing of capital, because they're literally killing us. As long as they remain committed to capitalism they are choosing mass immiseration and mass death. These facts cannot be minced or avoided: liberalism is evil and must be destroyed.
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I'm not joking when I say those things about libs or socdems
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THS posted:twitter really is a hell hole tho
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Sep 6, 2018 21:56
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All other forums are bad except for mine... which is this one. haha
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Larry Parrish posted:I'm not joking when I say those things about libs or socdems
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:All other forums are bad except for mine... which is this one. haha this but unironically
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